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Are the '23 Vikings better than the '22 Vikings?
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#12
I think the Flores mystique has created the illusion that the defense has to be improved, in reality it may be worse.  Not sure even last year that we would have allowed a team to run every single down without making one adjustment.  I don't see things improving and if they continue to underperform look for the Flores who the Miami players did not like to appear.  
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#13
Until they fix the lines, they are the same old team!
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#14
I'll reserve judgment for now. I can't say for certain by just two games. There are definitely some positives, and a handful of negatives so far.
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#15
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I think the statement is "you are what your record says you are"  0-2 is not very damn good.   But you need to break eggs to make chocolate cake so I am still hoping for dessert at some point.

I think that was started by Bill Parcells but I'm not sure. Either way it is a very stupid statement.Let's suppose two teams lose to the same teams and both their records are identical. One team lost by one point in a few games and was leading the games with one minute left and the other games went to OT.
The other team lost by 30 points in all those games.
Their records are identical, which is really all that matters unless a tie-breaker is needed.

Now, I ask you, are these teams actually equal? Or Which team would you rather play if it came down to a must win?
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#16
Quote: @FLVike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
I think the statement is "you are what your record says you are"  0-2 is not very damn good.   But you need to break eggs to make chocolate cake so I am still hoping for dessert at some point.

I think that was started by Bill Parcells but I'm not sure. Either way it is a very stupid statement.Let's suppose two teams lose to the same teams and both their records are identical. One team lost by one point in a few games and was leading the games with one minute left and the other games went to OT.
The other team lost by 30 points in all those games.
Their records are identical, which is really all that matters unless a tie-breaker is needed.

Now, I ask you, are these teams actually equal? Or Which team would you rather play if it came down to a must win?
There can be degrees of bad,  I mean a little turd is still shit,  in the end will any rational person look at close loses and say at least we weren't blown out?  A loss is a loss is a loss.  I dont care if we are the best of the 0-2 teams,  we are still an 0-2 team which is not good.  In your scenario its seems akin to saying somebody is the smartest kid on the short bus.
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#17
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@FLVike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
I think the statement is "you are what your record says you are"  0-2 is not very damn good.   But you need to break eggs to make chocolate cake so I am still hoping for dessert at some point.

I think that was started by Bill Parcells but I'm not sure. Either way it is a very stupid statement.Let's suppose two teams lose to the same teams and both their records are identical. One team lost by one point in a few games and was leading the games with one minute left and the other games went to OT.
The other team lost by 30 points in all those games.
Their records are identical, which is really all that matters unless a tie-breaker is needed.

Now, I ask you, are these teams actually equal? Or Which team would you rather play if it came down to a must win?
There can be degrees of bad,  I mean a little turd is still shit,  in the end will any rational person look at close loses and say at least we weren't blown out?  A loss is a loss is a loss.  I dont care if we are the best of the 0-2 teams,  we are still an 0-2 team which is not good.  In your scenario its seems akin to saying somebody is the smartest kid on the short bus.

But you didn't answer my question. There are only two choices; The team that was blown out in all it's losses or the team that was leading at the end of all those losses?
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#18
Quote: @FLVike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@FLVike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
I think the statement is "you are what your record says you are"  0-2 is not very damn good.   But you need to break eggs to make chocolate cake so I am still hoping for dessert at some point.

I think that was started by Bill Parcells but I'm not sure. Either way it is a very stupid statement.Let's suppose two teams lose to the same teams and both their records are identical. One team lost by one point in a few games and was leading the games with one minute left and the other games went to OT.
The other team lost by 30 points in all those games.
Their records are identical, which is really all that matters unless a tie-breaker is needed.

Now, I ask you, are these teams actually equal? Or Which team would you rather play if it came down to a must win?
There can be degrees of bad,  I mean a little turd is still shit,  in the end will any rational person look at close loses and say at least we weren't blown out?  A loss is a loss is a loss.  I dont care if we are the best of the 0-2 teams,  we are still an 0-2 team which is not good.  In your scenario its seems akin to saying somebody is the smartest kid on the short bus.

But you didn't answer my question. There are only two choices; The team that was blown out in all it's losses or the team that was leading at the end of all those losses?
Its a dumb question,  obviously you would want to face the weaker of the two,  but ithat doesn't mean the other team is somehow a good team,  there is room for more than 1 bad team,  and 0'2 is a sign of a bad team based on all the turn overs,  and the pathetic defense,  even of they aren't the worst team in the league  
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#19
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@FLVike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@FLVike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
I think the statement is "you are what your record says you are"  0-2 is not very damn good.   But you need to break eggs to make chocolate cake so I am still hoping for dessert at some point.

I think that was started by Bill Parcells but I'm not sure. Either way it is a very stupid statement.Let's suppose two teams lose to the same teams and both their records are identical. One team lost by one point in a few games and was leading the games with one minute left and the other games went to OT.
The other team lost by 30 points in all those games.
Their records are identical, which is really all that matters unless a tie-breaker is needed.

Now, I ask you, are these teams actually equal? Or Which team would you rather play if it came down to a must win?
There can be degrees of bad,  I mean a little turd is still shit,  in the end will any rational person look at close loses and say at least we weren't blown out?  A loss is a loss is a loss.  I dont care if we are the best of the 0-2 teams,  we are still an 0-2 team which is not good.  In your scenario its seems akin to saying somebody is the smartest kid on the short bus.

But you didn't answer my question. There are only two choices; The team that was blown out in all it's losses or the team that was leading at the end of all those losses?
Its a dumb question,  obviously you would want to face the weaker of the two,  but ithat doesn't mean the other team is somehow a good team,  there is room for more than 1 bad team,  and 0'2 is a sign of a bad team based on all the turn overs,  and the pathetic defense,  even of they aren't the worst team in the league  
I agree, it is a dumb question. It goes right along with the stupid statement.
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#20
To answer the question, This years Vikings show potential to be better than last. Their woes so far have mostly been self inflicted. It's not entirely unexpected when you don't play your starters at all in the preseason.
Even at 0-2 I still predict the Vikings will win the division. They need to get their poop in a group soon to do it.
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