There's a question here of who is guilty and who is not and who is colluding with their leader and who is disobeying. Trump had every right to want to see Hillary, Comey and Obama prosecuted, and had every right to prod his reluctant DOJ to do something about them. They actually committed crimes. Obama was spying on Trump, and that has been clear as the slow bleed continues from a media reluctant to report accurately.
You complain often about Zerohedge and then use Business Insider, MSNBC, and NPR as sources using words like inappropriate, raising concerns, etc... It's hardly damning evidence of Trump, when you have Hillary breaking and Bleach Bitting computer hard drives or Comey bypassing FISA application procedures and eliminating Due Process to get their guy, while looking the other way at a known criminal offense by Clinton. Also, different than the "big guy" sitting in on numerous phone calls for his crack dealing, hooker raping, and influence peddling son. Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
Quote: @Waterboy said:
There's a question here of who is guilty and who is not and who is colluding with their leader and who is disobeying. Trump had every right to want to see Hillary, Comey and Obama prosecuted, and had every right to prod his reluctant DOJ to do something about them. They actually committed crimes. Obama was spying on Trump, and that has been clear as the slow bleed continues from a media reluctant to report accurately.
You complain often about Zerohedge and then use Business Insider, MSNBC, and NPR as sources using words like inappropriate, raising concerns, etc... It's hardly damning evidence of Trump, when you have Hillary breaking and Bleach Bitting computer hard drives or Comey bypassing FISA application procedures and eliminating Due Process to get their guy, while looking the other way at a known criminal offense by Clinton. Also, different than the "big guy" sitting in on numerous phone calls for his crack dealing, hooker raping, and influence peddling son. Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
History is written by the victors. I'll give an example since its been our week:
We have a German national at our house this week. Its been interesting to talk politics with her. I think the most interesting question was, are there any WW2 movies filmed by Germans where the Germans aren't the "bad guys"? Her eyes got as big as dinner plates and said never. I'm not a WW2 historian so don't ask me obviously. My question was more focused on the point that there had to be at least 1 movie worthy instance where Germany wasn't the bad guys in WW2. All WW2 post war information views them as the losers and thus the bad guys in everything that happened. (and they did some F'ed up stuff, don't discount any of that). But the we also did some things in WW2 that we maybe shouldn't toot our horn about. Ushering in the atomic age comes up often. Whats not brought up is we tested the bomb without clearing out the people in the New Mexico desert. We incendiary bombed/burned to death millions of civilians. We locked Asian's up. I'm sure there's tons more.
Point being victors write the history books. Even if you disagree with that history. Trump lost the election and its now Biden's turn to write those books.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
You hate my multiple sources, hope you are okay with Forbes: "An analysis of documents, some of which only became public in recent weeks, shows just how much Trump’s businesses raked in while he was in office. Dig through everything—including property records, ethics disclosures, debt documents and securities filings—and you’ll find about $2.4 billion of revenue from January 2017 to December 2020." "https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/07/19/trumps-business-hauled-in-24-billion-during-four-years-he-served-as-president/?sh=2de0393b10c0
BTW, I was responding to GreedIron assertion that "[a}s much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected." I guess you agree with me that Trump certainly tried to go after his political opponents once elected and that Greediron made a false statement. See, Waterboy, we can find common ground in dismantling Greediron's statement. Maybe there is hope for this nation yet.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Waterboy said:
There's a question here of who is guilty and who is not and who is colluding with their leader and who is disobeying. Trump had every right to want to see Hillary, Comey and Obama prosecuted, and had every right to prod his reluctant DOJ to do something about them. They actually committed crimes. Obama was spying on Trump, and that has been clear as the slow bleed continues from a media reluctant to report accurately.
You complain often about Zerohedge and then use Business Insider, MSNBC, and NPR as sources using words like inappropriate, raising concerns, etc... It's hardly damning evidence of Trump, when you have Hillary breaking and Bleach Bitting computer hard drives or Comey bypassing FISA application procedures and eliminating Due Process to get their guy, while looking the other way at a known criminal offense by Clinton. Also, different than the "big guy" sitting in on numerous phone calls for his crack dealing, hooker raping, and influence peddling son. Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
History is written by the victors. I'll give an example since its been our week:
We have a German national at our house this week. Its been interesting to talk politics with her. I think the most interesting question was, are there any WW2 movies filmed by Germans where the Germans aren't the "bad guys"? Her eyes got as big as dinner plates and said never. I'm not a WW2 historian so don't ask me obviously. My question was more focused on the point that there had to be at least 1 movie worthy instance where Germany wasn't the bad guys in WW2. All WW2 post war information views them as the losers and thus the bad guys in everything that happened. (and they did some F'ed up stuff, don't discount any of that). But the we also did some things in WW2 that we maybe shouldn't toot our horn about. Ushering in the atomic age comes up often. Whats not brought up is we tested the bomb without clearing out the people in the New Mexico desert. We incendiary bombed/burned to death millions of civilians. We locked Asian's up. I'm sure there's tons more.
Point being victors write the history books. Even if you disagree with that history. Trump lost the election and its now Biden's turn to write those books.
We're talking about what's right here, not who won. In order to "right" the future, people need to intelligently interpret history. It sounds like you knowingly don't want to do so, and don't want to learn from what has went wrong. I do.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ Waterboy said:
Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
You hate my multiple sources, hope you are okay with Forbes: "An analysis of documents, some of which only became public in recent weeks, shows just how much Trump’s businesses raked in while he was in office. Dig through everything—including property records, ethics disclosures, debt documents and securities filings—and you’ll find about $2.4 billion of revenue from January 2017 to December 2020." "https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/07/19/trumps-business-hauled-in-24-billion-during-four-years-he-served-as-president/?sh=2de0393b10c0
BTW, I was responding to GreedIron assertion that "[a}s much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected." I guess you agree with me that Trump certainly tried to go after his political opponents once elected and that Greediron made a false statement. See, Waterboy, we can find common ground in dismantling Greediron's statement. Maybe there is hope for this nation yet.
So Trump was allowed to remain rich while in office? Wow. I agree that Trump went after criminals who executed treason at the highest levels. It seems like those of you that hate orange man can't get your arms around the fact that there is a right and wrong factor here about who is really guilty. People arguing that Hillary and Comey aren't corrupt are just fools. Russian Collusion was totally fabricated and the highest levels of our govt were complicit. Instead of worrying if Trump's existing businesses made money, maybe look at what's happening at a broader level in our country and hang your heads in shame for allowing it to knowingly happen.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Waterboy said:
There's a question here of who is guilty and who is not and who is colluding with their leader and who is disobeying. Trump had every right to want to see Hillary, Comey and Obama prosecuted, and had every right to prod his reluctant DOJ to do something about them. They actually committed crimes. Obama was spying on Trump, and that has been clear as the slow bleed continues from a media reluctant to report accurately.
You complain often about Zerohedge and then use Business Insider, MSNBC, and NPR as sources using words like inappropriate, raising concerns, etc... It's hardly damning evidence of Trump, when you have Hillary breaking and Bleach Bitting computer hard drives or Comey bypassing FISA application procedures and eliminating Due Process to get their guy, while looking the other way at a known criminal offense by Clinton. Also, different than the "big guy" sitting in on numerous phone calls for his crack dealing, hooker raping, and influence peddling son. Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
History is written by the victors. I'll give an example since its been our week:
We have a German national at our house this week. Its been interesting to talk politics with her. I think the most interesting question was, are there any WW2 movies filmed by Germans where the Germans aren't the "bad guys"? Her eyes got as big as dinner plates and said never. I'm not a WW2 historian so don't ask me obviously. My question was more focused on the point that there had to be at least 1 movie worthy instance where Germany wasn't the bad guys in WW2. All WW2 post war information views them as the losers and thus the bad guys in everything that happened. (and they did some F'ed up stuff, don't discount any of that). But the we also did some things in WW2 that we maybe shouldn't toot our horn about. Ushering in the atomic age comes up often. Whats not brought up is we tested the bomb without clearing out the people in the New Mexico desert. We incendiary bombed/burned to death millions of civilians. We locked Asian's up. I'm sure there's tons more.
Point being victors write the history books. Even if you disagree with that history. Trump lost the election and its now Biden's turn to write those books.
We're talking about what's right here, not who won. In order to "right" the future, people need to intelligently interpret history. It sounds like you knowingly don't want to do so, and don't want to learn from what has went wrong. I do.
It doesn't matter how you want to interpret the past. Trump lost the election. Biden won. Biden writes the history books.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ Waterboy said:
Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
You hate my multiple sources, hope you are okay with Forbes: "An analysis of documents, some of which only became public in recent weeks, shows just how much Trump’s businesses raked in while he was in office. Dig through everything—including property records, ethics disclosures, debt documents and securities filings—and you’ll find about $2.4 billion of revenue from January 2017 to December 2020." "https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/07/19/trumps-business-hauled-in-24-billion-during-four-years-he-served-as-president/?sh=2de0393b10c0
BTW, I was responding to GreedIron assertion that "[a}s much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected." I guess you agree with me that Trump certainly tried to go after his political opponents once elected and that Greediron made a false statement. See, Waterboy, we can find common ground in dismantling Greediron's statement. Maybe there is hope for this nation yet.
So Trump was allowed to remain rich while in office? Wow. I agree that Trump went after criminals who executed treason at the highest levels. It seems like those of you that hate orange man can't get your arms around the fact that there is a right and wrong factor here about who is really guilty. People arguing that Hillary and Comey aren't corrupt are just fools. Russian Collusion was totally fabricated and the highest levels of our govt were complicit. Instead of worrying if Trump's existing businesses made money, maybe look at what's happening at a broader level in our country and hang your heads in shame for allowing it to knowingly happen.
Waterboy, you are a barrel of laughs today. Let's summarize:
- You wrote: "Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?"
- I found an article from a publication you respect (Forbes) that did the research and found: Trump companies made "about $2.4 billion of revenue from January 2017 to December 2020."
- You respond to that: "So Trump was allowed to remain rich while in office? Wow."
Sounds like you now agree that Trump's net worth increased exponentially while in office. So, I guess, following your logic, Trump was grifting while in office.
See, we have again found common ground. In an earlier post in this thread we agreed that he used his powers to go after political enemies and now we agree that he was grifting in office. This is great Waterboy!! We are bridging the red-blue gap!!!
Waterboy: we also agree that Greediron was incorrect when he wrote: "[a}s much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected."
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
Waterboy: we also agree that Greediron was incorrect when he wrote: "[a}s much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected."
He rightfully went after a person that destroyed files to avoid indictment. Once again the matter of right versus wrong matters, though you try to ignore it. There is concrete evidence being ignored against Hillary and Biden, while we have an entirely fabricated (another Hillary and Obama scheme) Russian Collusion stunt. You can't compare something real to something fake and call it even. lol
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ Waterboy said:
Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?
You hate my multiple sources, hope you are okay with Forbes: "An analysis of documents, some of which only became public in recent weeks, shows just how much Trump’s businesses raked in while he was in office. Dig through everything—including property records, ethics disclosures, debt documents and securities filings—and you’ll find about $2.4 billion of revenue from January 2017 to December 2020." "https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/07/19/trumps-business-hauled-in-24-billion-during-four-years-he-served-as-president/?sh=2de0393b10c0
BTW, I was responding to GreedIron assertion that "[a}s much as Trump used the "lock her up" chant, he didn't go after his political opponent once elected." I guess you agree with me that Trump certainly tried to go after his political opponents once elected and that Greediron made a false statement. See, Waterboy, we can find common ground in dismantling Greediron's statement. Maybe there is hope for this nation yet.
So Trump was allowed to remain rich while in office? Wow. I agree that Trump went after criminals who executed treason at the highest levels. It seems like those of you that hate orange man can't get your arms around the fact that there is a right and wrong factor here about who is really guilty. People arguing that Hillary and Comey aren't corrupt are just fools. Russian Collusion was totally fabricated and the highest levels of our govt were complicit. Instead of worrying if Trump's existing businesses made money, maybe look at what's happening at a broader level in our country and hang your heads in shame for allowing it to knowingly happen.
Waterboy, you are a barrel of laughs today. Let's summarize:
- You wrote: "Trump lost money while in office, while the Biden's net worth increased exponentially. Who was really grifting?"
- I found an article from a publication you respect (Forbes) that did the research and found: Trump companies made "about $2.4 billion of revenue from January 2017 to December 2020."
- You respond to that: "So Trump was allowed to remain rich while in office? Wow."
Sounds like you now agree that Trump's net worth increased exponentially while in office. So, I guess, following your logic, Trump was grifting while in office.
See, we have again found common ground. In an earlier post in this thread we agreed that he used his powers to go after political enemies and now we agree that he was grifting in office. This is great Waterboy!! We are bridging the red-blue gap!!!
No, Trump's net worth went down while he was a president. It doesn't mean he didn't generate a lot of revenue during that time frame. Take America as a whole. It's turning into a shithole even though the government coffers are being filled with our money. I thought I'd put it at a level where maybe you can decipher between revenue and net worth. lol
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