Cook released this morning

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@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

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@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

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@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

Depends on what they do with the money and picks.  It can't be argued that the team isn't in a rebuild, and as such some sacrifices need to be made,  Hunter seems to me to be a candidate for not playing at a high level past 30 or so,  so I am fine with buying low and selling high as long as they can get good compensation for him.  I doubt the O guys spend much time thinking about the D except on game day.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

Depends on what they do with the money and picks.  It can't be argued that the team isn't in a rebuild, and as such some sacrifices need to be made,  Hunter seems to me to be a candidate for not playing at a high level past 30 or so,  so I am fine with buying low and selling high as long as they can get good compensation for him.  I doubt the O guys spend much time thinking about the D except on game day.

I'm sure the guys on O were plenty concerned watching teams march up and down the field against us at will last season, particularly in the playoffs. If you trade Hunter, then we really aren't trying to compete, and I'm fine with that, but then why hold on to Cousins going into the last year of his deal as a 35 year old quarterback who could bring similar draft pick compensation and cap relief? Let's not half ass this rebuild 

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@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

Depends on what they do with the money and picks.  It can't be argued that the team isn't in a rebuild, and as such some sacrifices need to be made,  Hunter seems to me to be a candidate for not playing at a high level past 30 or so,  so I am fine with buying low and selling high as long as they can get good compensation for him.  I doubt the O guys spend much time thinking about the D except on game day.

I'm sure the guys on O were plenty concerned watching teams march up and down the field against us at will last season, particularly in the playoffs. If you trade Hunter, then we really aren't trying to compete, and I'm fine with that, but then why hold on to Cousins going into the last year of his deal as a 35 year old quarterback who could bring similar draft pick compensation and cap relief? Let's not half ass this rebuild 

because they arent going to move on from Kirk,  the fact that he is still here says the either there was no viable offers,  or they dont plan on moving on from him until they have his replacement in house.

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@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

I think it says mini-reset, not overhaul. And, you load up on draft picks, resign your key pieces and go get your qb at all costs next year, while sliding into a draft position that allows you to do so.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

Depends on what they do with the money and picks.  It can't be argued that the team isn't in a rebuild, and as such some sacrifices need to be made,  Hunter seems to me to be a candidate for not playing at a high level past 30 or so,  so I am fine with buying low and selling high as long as they can get good compensation for him.  I doubt the O guys spend much time thinking about the D except on game day.

I'm sure the guys on O were plenty concerned watching teams march up and down the field against us at will last season, particularly in the playoffs. If you trade Hunter, then we really aren't trying to compete, and I'm fine with that, but then why hold on to Cousins going into the last year of his deal as a 35 year old quarterback who could bring similar draft pick compensation and cap relief? Let's not half ass this rebuild 

because they arent going to move on from Kirk,  the fact that he is still here says the either there was no viable offers,  or they dont plan on moving on from him until they have his replacement in house.

I agree that it won't happen, but if they move Hunter for draft picks, then trading Cousins SHOULD be the next logical domino to fall. Why half ass a tank job? You move Hunter on the heels of everyone else that's been moved, then the chances of us being competitive in 2023 goes out the window. I'd rather win 4 games starting Jaren Hall then winning 8 games starting Kirk Cousins and missing the playoffs because that would be about our ceiling IMO. 

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@Waterboy said:

@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

I think it says mini-reset, not overhaul. And, you load up on draft picks, resign your key pieces and go get your qb at all costs next year, while sliding into a draft position that allows you to do so.

Which further supports my point that moving Cousins should be the next logical domino to fall. We'd be far better positioned to do all the things you mentioned above by trading Cousins. But hey, Kwesi and the "competitive rebuild" is the way to go I guess since he obviously knows what he's doing 

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@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@supafreak84 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@PurplePastor said:

@JimmyinSD said:
So much for the notion of " in a few years this contract will be a bargain " that we always hear when a top money deal is inked.  I fear anything done with Hunter will net the same remarks and in a couple years the same results.   

I hear you, but this is positional. RBs are not not as valued as they once were and our offensive strategy has definitely shifted away from placing high value on that position since Cook's contract was forged. 

RBs devaluation had started before this contract,  its just some were late to the party ( Rick and Zim ) as certain positions eat larger and larger shares of the salary cap,  other positions will have to be devalued beyond the RB contracts.  We have kind of seen it with Safety the last few years as well.  What other positions will feel the same crunch in coming years so we can avoid over paying and having to find ourselves in this situation again.  

Personally I am not sold on Hunter in a 34 D and while I acknowledge that he ended up with good numbers on the surface last year,  I just am concerned about his health and fit in this new D and would be OK with moving on from him for a good return,  in lieu of giving him a monster deal and then seeing him flounder or get hurt and miss a lot of time again.

Yup, time to unload Hunter.  If we can get a 1st I'd be ecstatic. 

I think if you do that...then what's the argument for keeping Cousins? 

to sell hope... and to not totally freak out JJ, TJ and Darrisaw before you get them extended.

You think trading away our best defensive player sells them hope? 

Depends on what they do with the money and picks.  It can't be argued that the team isn't in a rebuild, and as such some sacrifices need to be made,  Hunter seems to me to be a candidate for not playing at a high level past 30 or so,  so I am fine with buying low and selling high as long as they can get good compensation for him.  I doubt the O guys spend much time thinking about the D except on game day.

I'm sure the guys on O were plenty concerned watching teams march up and down the field against us at will last season, particularly in the playoffs. If you trade Hunter, then we really aren't trying to compete, and I'm fine with that, but then why hold on to Cousins going into the last year of his deal as a 35 year old quarterback who could bring similar draft pick compensation and cap relief? Let's not half ass this rebuild 

Understand what you are saying about the potential of not having Hunter for what ever reason this season.  But Hunter was on the field last season when teams were marching up and down the field so why keep a player that doesn't fit in this defense and could eat up a large portion of the cap with a new contract?  Move him for picks and get some more cap relief going forward.