Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I am afraid this election is to important to stand on the sideline or throw votes away. I too want to see a viable third party in the near future, but this election has to be so overwhelmingly RED that nobody would even think it possible that it could have went the other way. We cant have 4 more years of the debt piling on like we have seen the last 2.
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Biden's contribution to the National Debt is 1.84 trillion or 6.33% increase. Trump's contribution to the National Debt was 8.2 trillion or a 40.43% increase. https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/banking/national-debt-by-president/
Respectfully, Jimmy, if the national debt is an important priority to you, you should be voting Democrat: - https://towardsdatascience.com/which-party-adds-more-to-deficits-a6422c6b00d7 ("While Republicans often claim that they are the more fiscally responsible party, my research suggests otherwise. Compared to Democratic presidents, Republicans are estimated to add between 0.75% and 1.2% more to the deficit (as a percent of GDP) each year they are in office. This result controls for economic conditions, and explains 75% of the variation in the annual changes to deficits.")
- https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/national-debt-growth-every-president-richard-nixon-joe-biden ("Republican President Donald Trump added nearly as much national debt during his four years in office as Obama did in eight, posting another $8.2 trillion.")
- https://247wallst.com/special-report/2023/05/06/the-national-debt-under-every-us-president-since-ww2/ ("The last time the federal government had a balanced budget – when revenue exceeded spending – was in 2000, under the Clinton Administration. ... The first U.S. president to increase the national debt by over a trillion dollars during his time in office was Ronald Reagan. During the Reagan Administration, the national debt expanded by 186%, the largest relative increase since Franklin Roosevelt, who raised government spending to fight World War II and bring the country out of the Great Depression.")
- https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/030515/which-united-states-presidents-have-run-largest-budget-deficits.asp ("Although almost every U.S. president in the past half-century has run a record budget deficit at one time or another, the largest budget deficits in U.S. history were run by former President Donald Trump and his two immediate predecessors. However, under the administration of Trump's successor, President Joe Biden, the deficit has gone down, even though his administration has had to deal with expenses connected to the COVID-19 pandemic.")
Trump actually had the pandemic to deal with and it was , Biden used the pandemic as an excuse to fund pet project garbage and and money funneling schemes and continues to do so.
As fat as fiscal responsibility, lets look at red states vs blue states, who seem to do better fiscally, lower taxes, lower or no debt?
And before the pandemic? How much had the deficit grown against GDP? It doubled vs the Obama era (mainly due to tax cuts). Trump is the King of Debt, do you know anything about his business dealings?
Please share the analysis of fiscal responsibility of red vs blue states. How about on a GDP per capita basis? Who is more dependent on the government?
Comparatively as a block:
Red states are the welfare recipients receiving money from blue states contributions.
Red states are poorer with more crime than blue states. Red states have higher murder rates (have for the last 20 years).
They are similar regarding unemployment rate, but the median household income in blue states is $70k vs $54k in red states
How are you winning?
These tropes about the "economy" and "crime" are old as fuck and wrong. But cool, just keep throwing them out there to scare people with bullshit to keep them voting for you because you can't win on actual ideas
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
As for farmers getting federal subsidiaries:
I mean he had to make up from his TRADE WAR BULLSHIT. That was all payback to the farmers to keep them happy.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I am afraid this election is to important to stand on the sideline or throw votes away. I too want to see a viable third party in the near future, but this election has to be so overwhelmingly RED that nobody would even think it possible that it could have went the other way. We cant have 4 more years of the debt piling on like we have seen the last
Well, red states are more dependent upon getting aid from the federal government than blue states. Overall, red states get more federal aid than they pay in -- you could call red states welfare states.
Hard to argue that red states are more fiscally responsible when they require more federal assistance than they actually contribute.
How much of that aid is due to large percentages of native american population? How much of that aid goes to fund state created issues vs federal programs? Most conservative states aren't spending more at the state level than they are brining in. If the feds are dumping money into programs that's not on the conservative states voters that are taking part in the programs. I know a lot of farmers that say they would support the fed getting out of farming all together since those programs are unfairly helping the super farmers and paper farmers like Gates and Turners.... and now the Chinese.
Are you blaming NATIVE AMERICANS at 3% of the population for the Red State welfare problems? OMG lololol
How many Native Americans live in Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky?
If anything they are underfunded as a group particularly when it comes to health care and infrastructure. You know the two things that help a society survive and grow
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ VikingOracle said:
As for farmers getting federal subsidiaries:
I mean he had to make up from his TRADE WAR BULLSHIT. That was all payback to the farmers to keep them happy.
China is a developed nation and should not get preferential treatment on imports to other 1st world country.
Trump doing something about it was the right call.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
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@ StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
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@ purplefaithful said:
I spent about 4 minutes watching the town hall last night...Rehashed tirades.
Shame on a system that (at best) gives us two octogenarians going at it again.
He's nuts. Yet CNN hosts a 'town hall' because they know people that love him and hate him will watch. Whores.
He's a repugnant piece of shit, but Biden and the democratic economic bullshit is tortuous. Please let DeSantis run so I can vote Republican again. He's not perfect, but I can't take another 4 years of economic turmoil under the Spendocrats (see, I made a funny about democrats!) :p Watching Biden walk anywhere and I'm just waiting for him to fall. He's so feeble.
The red train may have left the station already. I think your boy is waiting too long. I dont like a lot of whats happening in FL @Sticky. On a whole bunch of issues.
If he does run, I would have to scrutinize his stand a bunch b4 he could get my vote.
I've cooled on him quite a bit, but he'd be a better candidate than that pos on CNN last night.
He'd appeal to a broader group I suspect.
If I have to chose between Biden or Trump in 2024, I won't vote.
You could vote 3rd party and try to actually get a 3rd or 4th party with some relevance.
I am afraid this election is to important to stand on the sideline or throw votes away. I too want to see a viable third party in the near future, but this election has to be so overwhelmingly RED that nobody would even think it possible that it could have went the other way. We cant have 4 more years of the debt piling on like we have seen the last 2. This thing is spiraling so fast and I dont think its sheer incompetence that has the country heading towards staggering inflation or out right bankruptcy, I am not a big conspiracy guy, but I just have a hard time believing that all this bull shit is by accident.
There hasn’t been a fiscal conservative in decades. That ship left port roughly after WW2.
Ron Paul was as close as we were going to get to someone that actually said no to spending. Even now the “republicans” want cuts for a debt ceiling deal, but they didn’t give a damn the last 100 times it came up.
Wasn't it the repubs catching hell a few years ago for the govt shutdown to avoid raising the debt ceiling amd all the fear mongers crying about defaults and other such shit?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Skodin said:
@ VikingOracle said:
As for farmers getting federal subsidiaries:
I mean he had to make up from his TRADE WAR BULLSHIT. That was all payback to the farmers to keep them happy.
China is a developed nation and should not get preferential treatment on imports to other 1st world country.
Trump doing something about it was the right call.
And what was right about it? Was it smart to put tariffs on aluminum and steel versus electronics? If he wanted them to feel a strong economic impact there were better routes that didn't harm our allies in the process (Canada steel as an example). He blew through any economic gains he made, what like $70 billion but covering the farmers asses due to their trade war losses. In the long run, unless changed, the tariffs will have a negative impact on GDP and jobs.
So sick of the China boogeyman GOP fans love to obsess over. China is seen as this global workshop and growing naval power. That couldn't be more wrong. The country is teetering on a collapse and only becoming more authoritarian by the day (which further alienates it global presence). Have you seen the Enron style propped currency regime they have? Both of these points are devastating for a country that relies on global imports for food and energy. Their best energy friend (Russia) is in an upside down unnecessary quagmire of a war with a declining infrastructure system that is also on the edge of collapsing due to bad leadership and an aging population.
The real nail in the coffin is their completely upside down demographics, which will destroy their economy, killed by their own lack of domestic consumpstion and rising costs for global energy & food imports.
China is a dying power that will be at best a 1st world version of North Korea in 5 years.
America is in its BEST POSITION it has been in since WW2. A new era to establish industrial & global dominance with all the resources and capabilities it could ever ask for in the Western hemisphere. Its focus should purely be the exporting of CLEAN ENERGY and FOOD with a food system that sees climate change as its number one enemy. Not China or Russia, climate change is the number 1 threat to long term national security.
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So sick of the China boogeyman GOP fans love to obsess over. China is seen as this global workshop and growing naval power. That couldn't be more wrong. The country is teetering on a collapse and only becoming more authoritarian by the day (which further alienates it global presence). Have you seen the Enron style propped currency regime they have? Both of these points are devastating for a country that relies on global imports for food and energy. Their best energy friend (Russia) is in an upside down unnecessary quagmire of a war with a declining infrastructure system that is also on the edge of collapsing due to bad leadership and an aging population.
The real nail in the coffin is their completely upside down demographics, which will destroy their economy, killed by their own lack of domestic consumpstion and rising costs for global energy & food imports.
China is a dying power that will be at best a 1st world version of North Korea in 5 years.
America is in its BEST POSITION it has been in since WW2. A new era to establish industrial & global dominance with all the resources and capabilities it could ever ask for in the Western hemisphere. Its focus should purely be the exporting of CLEAN ENERGY and FOOD with a food system that sees climate change as its number one enemy. Not China or Russia, climate change is the number 1 threat to long term national security.
And maybe we can be the world leader in rainbows and unicorns in this alternate reality.
Let's see....China manufactures about 80% of all solar panels and lithium batteries and controls about 80% of current rare earth materials used in virtually all "clean energy". I used asterisks for the clean as the mining of rare earths and disposal issues of batteries and turbines make it hardly clean at this point. I'm a big proponent (as well as SMR nuclear) but the technology just isn't quite there right now and the US doesn't even come close to China for control of that market. China will take all the petroleum we don't want and use it against us to further control emerging markets. We'll keep finding ways to cut domestic production driving up prices and lowering global competitiveness. So...tell me again how that puts the US in a favorable competitive position? I spend a significant amount of time in China (now that you can again without quarantine) and they're not going anywhere...quite the opposite. And that propped up currency...is now fast becoming the global standard of currency over the dollar because we can't be trusted to do anything right these days without politics getting in the way.
And in terms of China Boogeymen....I remember when BarrNone and many liberals on this board would mercilessly mock those on the right regarding concerns over potential pandemics and their ability to kill a lot of people and shut down the World. It was ridiculous to even talk about the potential of something so stupid. Some of the same people telling us not to worry about China....and some of the same people making excuses for China on Covid.
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And in terms of China Boogeymen....I remember when BarrNone and many liberals on this board would mercilessly mock those on the right regarding concerns over potential pandemics and their ability to kill a lot of people and shut down the World. It was ridiculous to even talk about the potential of something so stupid. Some of the same people telling us not to worry about China....and some of the same people making excuses for China on Covid.
You think it came out of a Wuhan lab?
I'm not sure I disagree with you.
Whats amazing to me is that if it did? The world has not yet been able to dig up "credible, irrefutable proof."
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ badgervike said:
And in terms of China Boogeymen....I remember when BarrNone and many liberals on this board would mercilessly mock those on the right regarding concerns over potential pandemics and their ability to kill a lot of people and shut down the World. It was ridiculous to even talk about the potential of something so stupid. Some of the same people telling us not to worry about China....and some of the same people making excuses for China on Covid.
You think it came out of a Wuhan lab?
I'm not sure I disagree with you.
Whats amazing to me is that if it did? The world has not yet been able to dig up "credible, irrefutable proof."
What I've learned about China is they absolutely control the narrative. Dissenting opinions and information don't exist. Therefore, nothing to dig up. In the US, we're more than happy to air our dirty laundry particularly for ideological reasons. The dirty laundry doesn't even have to be real such as the whole Russian narrative.
Yes...I believe Covid came from an inadvertent leak from the Wuhan lab. The odds would be astronomical of it coming from a market...instead of a lab in the same City that was researching the exact virus and without Western level safeguards.
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