Like I have been saying for weeks, if Levis falls into the 13 range then I would be all for a move up. I would not give up all the ammo to get into Top 4 for him but that is just my poor man's evaluation of risk vs reward.
If Levis is gone in the Top 13 then I am leaning towards a move down with our 23st pick to pick up more. But even that depends on who is available. A lot of depth at CB and LB to which we can move down or grab in the 3rd round. If we stay at 23 it might be for a WR/DT. I do not like what we currently have along the DL.
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@ TBro said:
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The Bullshit Meter is deeply in the doo doo as we head into Thursday night! :p
I would rather keep Cousins and work out an extension. Use the picks we would need to mortgage the future with to move up that high and build out the rest of the team. We definitely need to draft a QB, but not at the expense of everything else. If KOC is as good as advertised with QBs, then finding one he can develop after the 1st round makes a lot more sense. For a lot of teams, Levis is the 4th best QB in this draft. He has all the physical tools, but his questionable decision making is a concern.
I think the thought would be to backfill with FA signings instead of draft picks.....losing Cousins contract would free up a ton. I think KAM likes to take a swing at more known quantities in free agency with upside.
Again, not saying any strategy is particularly wrong. I don't know what the answer is. But I do know what happens when a franchise hits it big with a QB: you contend every year. If they feel that way about a guy, then go get him. Not saying they do, saying IF they do.
The draft capital you would need to move up to #2 would set this team back for years because we already have too many holes. As good as Cousins was last year, we still couldn't overcome the incompetence on Defense. I'm fine moving up for Levis if he drops to a reasonable striking distance, but #2 is a fairy tale. After Young and Stroud, the rest of the QB's are major crap shoots. My preference is to still trade down, and even out of the first all together if we can accumulate more 2nd and 3rd round picks. If we are set on drafting a QB in the first, I like the idea of waiting to see if Hooker falls to them at 23. If we trade down, he still might be there at the end of the first but it would be risky. It's the perfect scenario. He sits for a year, heals his leg, and learns under Cousins. If we drafted a QB at #2, then Cousins should be moved and the Rookie should be a day 1 starter.
They're all crap shoots IMO. And, personally, I'd put CJ Stroud at the top of the crappy shooty list. IMO, he's the QB that will be most shocked by how different the NFL game is to what he experienced in college. And I'm just not sure he has the poise, intelligence or mental toughness to overcome that. Could be wrong, but he's my pick for most likely to bust.
Add to that who's the last OSU QB to flourish in the NFL? Their system does them no favors.
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@ StickyBun said:
The Bullshit Meter is deeply in the doo doo as we head into Thursday night! :p
I would rather keep Cousins and work out an extension. Use the picks we would need to mortgage the future with to move up that high and build out the rest of the team. We definitely need to draft a QB, but not at the expense of everything else. If KOC is as good as advertised with QBs, then finding one he can develop after the 1st round makes a lot more sense. For a lot of teams, Levis is the 4th best QB in this draft. He has all the physical tools, but his questionable decision making is a concern.
Yes, don't be Chicago.
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Like I have been saying for weeks, if Levis falls into the 13 range then I would be all for a move up. I would not give up all the ammo to get into Top 4 for him but that is just my poor man's evaluation of risk vs reward.
If Levis is gone in the Top 13 then I am leaning towards a move down with our 23st pick to pick up more. But even that depends on who is available. A lot of depth at CB and LB to which we can move down or grab in the 3rd round. If we stay at 23 it might be for a WR/DT. I do not like what we currently have along the DL.
Problem is who is going to want to dance with us and move into the 23rd spot and pay the 1st rd. salary/extended contract, when the value is better at say 35? We have to face facts that we are in no man's land this year, and have very limited picks unless we package a player or 2 in a trade.
My take is that they love Stroud/Richardson and like Levis. Maybe that isn't 100% correct but its how I've wrapped my arms around it. How high they would move up for any of them? No idea. You also need a willing partner to move back to #23 in a draft class with few few blue chip players. So it likely will need to be a team getting desperate to move back or a team in the latter portion of the top 10/ early teens that isn't moving back as significantly. 8 & 10 make sense on a few different levels. 13 & 14 would be more realistic spots.
Lol, just a few days ago they loved Hooker and were moving up to around the 18 mark to get him
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Lol, just a few days ago they loved Hooker and were moving up to around the 18 mark to get him
Yep. Still 3 days to like Richardson, Stroud, etc. :p
So honestly: these online 'experts' can straight up lie about sources and inside scoop and there's nobody to say shit about it. Its all driving views and clicks. Some smoke clearing will come Wednesday night/Thursday morning as some shit will leak that has legs.
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@ minny65 said:
Like I have been saying for weeks, if Levis falls into the 13 range then I would be all for a move up. I would not give up all the ammo to get into Top 4 for him but that is just my poor man's evaluation of risk vs reward.
If Levis is gone in the Top 13 then I am leaning towards a move down with our 23st pick to pick up more. But even that depends on who is available. A lot of depth at CB and LB to which we can move down or grab in the 3rd round. If we stay at 23 it might be for a WR/DT. I do not like what we currently have along the DL.
Problem is who is going to want to dance with us and move into the 23rd spot and pay the 1st rd. salary/extended contract, when the value is better at say 35? We have to face facts that we are in no man's land this year, and have very limited picks unless we package a player or 2 in a trade.
Don't know who would want to dance but from a point value chart we would give up pick 23, 87 and next year second rounder to get into the 13 area. I would do that for Levis. Sit behind Kirk this year and bring him along. Depending on how Kirk does we have a clear succession plan on a cheap initial contract and if Kirk does not earn another extension then we have resources $$$ to surround the second year QB. Sooner rather then later we will need this new regime to go and get a young QB prospect to build around - IMO.
I think if there is a team that really values someone like Hunter it could be a legit possibility and in that case the Texans a team that has been rumored to go defense at #2 makes sense especially since they have a pick at #12 too. Maybe a package of Hunter, #23 and 2024 1st.
https://twitter.com/NFLNotify/status/165...79008?s=20
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Are the Vikings a suitor for a new QB? A recent NFL.com mock draft has Minnesota trading with Philadelphia to take Florida's Anthony Richardson with the 10th overall pick.
The NFL.com mock predicts the Vikings would send their first-round pick (No. 23), a 2023 third-rounder (No. 87) and a 2024 first-rounder to the Eagles to draft the Florida Gator.
Per The Draft Network’s Jaime Eisner, Minnesota has been "active" in trying to trade up for a new QB.
Minnesota could be looking for a succession plan at QB. Its current QB, Kirk Cousins, is set to become a free agent after the 2023 season. The Vikings could prefer to move on to a younger, cheaper option to lead their offense while allowing that player to learn under Cousins in 2023.
Cousins has passed for 30 or more touchdowns in three of his five seasons in Minnesota, but the team has only one playoff win during his tenure.
The Vikings would clear a significant chunk of cap space by moving on from Cousins. That money could be used to fill holes on a defense that allowed the second-most yards in 2022.
Although raw, Richardson could become an upgrade over Cousins.
The Florida product has been praised for his unique physical skills. He has protoypical size (6-foot-4, 244 pounds) and athleticism for the position. At the scouting combine in March, he ran the fastest 40-yard dash (4.43) of any QB prospect.
Richardson has excellent arm strength, but some believe his accuracy is a concern. NFL.com lists his top weaknesses as "inconsistency and inaccuracy," leading some to label him a project.
The Athletic's Nate Tice, however, believes the "project" label is not entirely accurate. In a recent tweet, he cited Richardson's footwork and anticipation as reasons why he is not a raw prospect.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/is_a_surprise_team_in_the_mix_to_trade_up_for_a_qb/s1_13132_38734725
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