Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
wouldnt the fact that KAM has only been here a year suggest that putting Cousins on a team with better talent and they win a SB be more of a nail in Spielmans coffin than KAM? Trading him when the team has about zero chance of being truly competitive in 24 vs letting him walk after 24 with no compensation... seems the latter is the stupid move. there are things to keep a fan thinking maybe just maybe, but in all honesty, thats about every offseason and to date how do all those off season maybes turn out?
I'm not sure I understand anything of what you just wrote. But I'd say it's less about Cousins winning a Super Bowl elsewhere and more about replacing him with a QB who can't play. As odd as it may sound, some of us actually understand the importance of having a good QB, and how incredibly difficult it is to find one.
And why take on that kind of risk when you don't have to? You can simply keep Cousins and draft his understudy. Or if you miss, send a couple of '24 picks to SF for Lance. Then you get to see Cousins in year two of the offense, the Vikings will return one of the best offenses in the NFL, AND you have the presumptive QBOTF to develop.
If you hit, great! '23 is Cousins last year in purple. If he doesn't, you still have Cousins. Let his '23 season determine what you do.
the key is the supporting cast with Cousins, he hasnt elevated a roster hes been on yet to achieve a SB so why would the fan base be up KAMs ass for trading him away for assets that could possibly help fix this roster when its been apparent that its not going to get done with him here in the next year. if any fan would get upset that Cousins was able to win a ring with the right roster around him, and RS was the GM that not only brought him here, but was the guy that assembled the roster that KAM inherited, that is where any blame should lie for Kirk not being able to get it done here.
what risk, the risk that the team isnt going to win a superbowl, an NFC championship, they havent done those in almost 50 years, or is it another meaningless NFC north title and a one and done in the playoffs? this team isnt going to do shit in 23 regardless of who is at QB, got to get off the KC merrygoround at some point, might as well be when you could possibly get something in return instead of just another "nice" season.
Ding...ding...ding....winner, winner. Exactly what I've been saying
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
I think if you were to put out a more attractive alternative in terms of compensation for Cousins you wouldn't get this push back. But to trade KC for an absolute unproven, not only at the NFL level but NCAA level as well. Lol, dude had all of 318 NCAA passing attempts in the mighty MVC. With all the red flags as for whey SF is even considering dumping him after just 2 years. Injury, poor performances in games, practices and scrimmages. No guarantee that Purdy plays in 2023, or is the same player. Which leaves SF with Darnold and who knows what at back up, for a win now team. You arent going to have many clamoring to jump on the Lance for Cousins bandwagon. Totally agree about maximizing trade value. But what your'e suggesting is far from maximizing trade value, it's getting something, anything, just to say you got something.
I'd want anything more than the potential 3rd round comp pick we'd get in return if he walked as a free agent after next season. I don't believe we are serious contenders next year, so maximizing trade value and getting off the Cousins contract carousel is the logical thing to do
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
I think if you were to put out a more attractive alternative in terms of compensation for Cousins you wouldn't get this push back. But to trade KC for an absolute unproven, not only at the NFL level but NCAA level as well. Lol, dude had all of 318 NCAA passing attempts in the mighty MVC. With all the red flags as for whey SF is even considering dumping him after just 2 years. Injury, poor performances in games, practices and scrimmages. No guarantee that Purdy plays in 2023, or is the same player. Which leaves SF with Darnold and who knows what at back up, for a win now team. You arent going to have many clamoring to jump on the Lance for Cousins bandwagon. Totally agree about maximizing trade value. But what your'e suggesting is far from maximizing trade value, it's getting something, anything, just to say you got something.
I'd want anything more than the potential 3rd round comp pick we'd get in return if he walked as a free agent after next season. I don't believe we are serious contenders next year, so maximizing trade value and getting off the Cousins contract carousel is the logical thing to do
fast forward one year, we are done with Cousins and we have that extra cap space to really start to address areas of need, you know they are gonna be shoulder deep in free agency and that possible 3rd round comp pick from Cousins will get largely offset by incoming free agents so its pretty unlikely IMO that we even see that much. Likely a day 3 comp pick at best imo.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
I think if you were to put out a more attractive alternative in terms of compensation for Cousins you wouldn't get this push back. But to trade KC for an absolute unproven, not only at the NFL level but NCAA level as well. Lol, dude had all of 318 NCAA passing attempts in the mighty MVC. With all the red flags as for whey SF is even considering dumping him after just 2 years. Injury, poor performances in games, practices and scrimmages. No guarantee that Purdy plays in 2023, or is the same player. Which leaves SF with Darnold and who knows what at back up, for a win now team. You arent going to have many clamoring to jump on the Lance for Cousins bandwagon. Totally agree about maximizing trade value. But what your'e suggesting is far from maximizing trade value, it's getting something, anything, just to say you got something.
I'd want anything more than the potential 3rd round comp pick we'd get in return if he walked as a free agent after next season. I don't believe we are serious contenders next year, so maximizing trade value and getting off the Cousins contract carousel is the logical thing to do
fast forward one year, we are done with Cousins and we have that extra cap space to really start to address areas of need, you know they are gonna be shoulder deep in free agency and that possible 3rd round comp pick from Cousins will get largely offset by incoming free agents so its pretty unlikely IMO that we even see that much. Likely a day 3 comp pick at best imo.
Exactly. So why would you not trade him to San Francisco, or any other team on the cusp that needs a quarterback? I don't care if it's for Trey Lance and draft picks, or a combo of picks and players. If there is no intention to sign him long term, and we probably don't make the playoffs with or without Cousins this upcoming season...why would you not move him now to the highest bidder?
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@ JimmyinSD said:
fast forward one year, we are done with Cousins and we have that extra cap space to really start to address areas of need, you know they are gonna be shoulder deep in free agency and that possible 3rd round comp pick from Cousins will get largely offset by incoming free agents so its pretty unlikely IMO that we even see that much. Likely a day 3 comp pick at best imo.
Exactly. So why would you not trade him to San Francisco, or any other team on the cusp that needs a quarterback? I don't care if it's for Trey Lance and draft picks, or a combo of picks and players. If there is no intention to sign him long term, and we probably don't make the playoffs with or without Cousins this upcoming season...why would you not move him now to the highest bidder? The ownership group is delusional and thinks we are really close, or they really dont care as long as they can sell the notion of good being akin to competitive being akin to superbowl caliber to keep that revenue stream flowing. sure there is lightning in a bottle, but for the Vikings its more like being struck multiple times by lightning.
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...why would you not move him now to the highest bidder?
Cousins has a no trade clause. You can't just trade him to the highest bidder. You can only trade him to places he would want to go. 49ers would make sense as they have a better shot at a championship. Likely he would veto any trade to a team that isn't going to give him a long term contract or a SB. I think at the very least, he will limit where he can go to teams with a lot of talent that will make him look good for his next contract.
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We probably don't make the playoffs with or without Cousins this upcoming season...why would you not move him now to the highest bidder?
This one statement is the reason you and Jimmy think the things you think. And I don't agree with it at all.
Why don't we make the playoffs? Because the Packers are so good? The Lions? Because Cousins won't improve at all in year two of the offense? Because we lost Thielen? Kendricks? Because we replaced Peterson with Murphy? Added Davenport? Replaced Donatell with Flores? Because we get Cine, Evans and Booth back?
Look, I'm not expecting Flores to turn the Vikings into the '85 Bears, but a middling defense makes this a completely different team. So yeah, add an impact player from the draft on either side of the ball, maybe one more free agent, and I think the odds of the Vikings making the playoffs in '23 are pretty decent actually.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
I think if you were to put out a more attractive alternative in terms of compensation for Cousins you wouldn't get this push back. But to trade KC for an absolute unproven, not only at the NFL level but NCAA level as well. Lol, dude had all of 318 NCAA passing attempts in the mighty MVC. With all the red flags as for whey SF is even considering dumping him after just 2 years. Injury, poor performances in games, practices and scrimmages. No guarantee that Purdy plays in 2023, or is the same player. Which leaves SF with Darnold and who knows what at back up, for a win now team. You arent going to have many clamoring to jump on the Lance for Cousins bandwagon. Totally agree about maximizing trade value. But what your'e suggesting is far from maximizing trade value, it's getting something, anything, just to say you got something.
I'd want anything more than the potential 3rd round comp pick we'd get in return if he walked as a free agent after next season. I don't believe we are serious contenders next year, so maximizing trade value and getting off the Cousins contract carousel is the logical thing to do
fast forward one year, we are done with Cousins and we have that extra cap space to really start to address areas of need, you know they are gonna be shoulder deep in free agency and that possible 3rd round comp pick from Cousins will get largely offset by incoming free agents so its pretty unlikely IMO that we even see that much. Likely a day 3 comp pick at best imo.
Where are the savings coming from if you let Cousins walk? His cap hit after the Vikings converted his Salary to Bonus went down to $20,500,00 for 2023. However, all that did was push his Dead Cap in 2024 to $28,500,000 if he's not on the roster. I just don't see the Vikings paying him $28,500,000 for the privilege of watching him play for another Team next year. Like I keep saying, this is more about Kirk auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings than being done with him after this year.
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I'd want anything more than the potential 3rd round comp pick we'd get in return if he walked as a free agent after next season. I don't believe we are serious contenders next year, so maximizing trade value and getting off the Cousins contract carousel is the logical thing to do
fast forward one year, we are done with Cousins and we have that extra cap space to really start to address areas of need, you know they are gonna be shoulder deep in free agency and that possible 3rd round comp pick from Cousins will get largely offset by incoming free agents so its pretty unlikely IMO that we even see that much. Likely a day 3 comp pick at best imo.
Where are the savings coming from if you let Cousins walk? His cap hit after the Vikings converted his Salary to Bonus went down to $20,500,00 for 2023. However, all that did was push his Dead Cap in 2024 to $28,500,000 if he's not on the roster. I just don't see the Vikings paying him $28,500,000 for the privilege of watching him play for another Team next year. Like I keep saying, this is more about Kirk auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings than being done with him after this year.
they wont be paying him a dime next year currently, that money is already in his piggy bank. the cap savings come from not having to guarantee 40+ million per year to an over 35 QB that has never proven to be able to elevate the players around him ( at least not the OL in front of him ) 28.5 dead cap next year, vs another big salary plus another signing bonus spread out over the back end of the contract to make rubes think "it was a really good deal" sign me up for the dead cap hit and somebody else going forward, it would just be a bonus if we could move him this year for a top 60 draft pick.
You do this trade? Vikings end up with Lance, a 2nd rounder, a second 3rd rounder, a second 6th rounder. and give up their 1st rounder, Nick Mullens and a future 4th rounder. It seems solid for the Vikings until you consider the 49ers are essentially getting a 1st round pick for Trey Lance and a couple day-two picks.
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