Quote: @TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
From today's GBN;
Who’s #2 … For most of the last couple of months of the pre-draft process the one thing you could take to the bank was the notion that Alabama’s Bryce Young and CJ Stroud of Ohio State were firmly entrenched as the top two QBs. Young, of course, isn’t going anywhere, except maybe Kansas City next Thursday and then Carolina. But, literally all of a sudden, there are whispers that just maybe Stroud isn’t necessarily QB2 any longer, that Will Levis of Kentucky has emerged as the #2 QB on a number of team’s boards across the league including that in Houston where the Texans have the 2nd pick overall and have been sending out signals that they maybe balking over taking a QB at that spot. Presumably there’s more to come here. In the meantime, for those that keep track of these things, the draft starts a week today! Hang in there!
Let the craziness begin folks
Isn't all the speculation on Stroud sliding based on rumors he isn't Coachable? Seems a little suspect a week before the draft. How come we are just hearing about this now? Interesting how the Narrative has changed from Bryce Young's size to Stroud's unwillingness to take Coaching.
The shocking thing is this report that Levis has emerged as the #2 rated quarterback on several teams draft boards, including that of the Texans. Crazy stuff
Quote: @TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
From today's GBN;
Who’s #2 … For most of the last couple of months of the pre-draft process the one thing you could take to the bank was the notion that Alabama’s Bryce Young and CJ Stroud of Ohio State were firmly entrenched as the top two QBs. Young, of course, isn’t going anywhere, except maybe Kansas City next Thursday and then Carolina. But, literally all of a sudden, there are whispers that just maybe Stroud isn’t necessarily QB2 any longer, that Will Levis of Kentucky has emerged as the #2 QB on a number of team’s boards across the league including that in Houston where the Texans have the 2nd pick overall and have been sending out signals that they maybe balking over taking a QB at that spot. Presumably there’s more to come here. In the meantime, for those that keep track of these things, the draft starts a week today! Hang in there!
Let the craziness begin folks
Isn't all the speculation on Stroud sliding based on rumors he isn't Coachable? Seems a little suspect a week before the draft. How come we are just hearing about this now? Interesting how the Narrative has changed from Bryce Young's size to Stroud's unwillingness to take Coaching.
Stroud has always struck me as a little punchy. Then you have the whole Ohio State thing. He is the most accurate QB I watched, but I don't like what's in his head. He makes a lot of bad decisions.
If history holds, out of the 5 QBs commonly mocked in the 1st round, 1 will hit, 2 will tease and 2 will be flat out busts. IMO, Stroud and AR are the busts.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
From today's GBN;
Who’s #2 … For most of the last couple of months of the pre-draft process the one thing you could take to the bank was the notion that Alabama’s Bryce Young and CJ Stroud of Ohio State were firmly entrenched as the top two QBs. Young, of course, isn’t going anywhere, except maybe Kansas City next Thursday and then Carolina. But, literally all of a sudden, there are whispers that just maybe Stroud isn’t necessarily QB2 any longer, that Will Levis of Kentucky has emerged as the #2 QB on a number of team’s boards across the league including that in Houston where the Texans have the 2nd pick overall and have been sending out signals that they maybe balking over taking a QB at that spot. Presumably there’s more to come here. In the meantime, for those that keep track of these things, the draft starts a week today! Hang in there!
Let the craziness begin folks
Isn't all the speculation on Stroud sliding based on rumors he isn't Coachable? Seems a little suspect a week before the draft. How come we are just hearing about this now? Interesting how the Narrative has changed from Bryce Young's size to Stroud's unwillingness to take Coaching.
Stroud has always struck me as a little punchy. Then you have the whole Ohio State thing. He is the most accurate QB I watched, but I don't like what's in his head. He makes a lot of bad decisions.
If history holds, out of the 5 QBs commonly mocked in the 1st round, 1 will hit, 2 will tease and 2 will be flat out busts. IMO, Stroud and AR are the busts.
YaH, if history is our guide, that will hold true. I just dont know who's the real deal and who will suck.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
From today's GBN;
Who’s #2 … For most of the last couple of months of the pre-draft process the one thing you could take to the bank was the notion that Alabama’s Bryce Young and CJ Stroud of Ohio State were firmly entrenched as the top two QBs. Young, of course, isn’t going anywhere, except maybe Kansas City next Thursday and then Carolina. But, literally all of a sudden, there are whispers that just maybe Stroud isn’t necessarily QB2 any longer, that Will Levis of Kentucky has emerged as the #2 QB on a number of team’s boards across the league including that in Houston where the Texans have the 2nd pick overall and have been sending out signals that they maybe balking over taking a QB at that spot. Presumably there’s more to come here. In the meantime, for those that keep track of these things, the draft starts a week today! Hang in there!
Let the craziness begin folks
Isn't all the speculation on Stroud sliding based on rumors he isn't Coachable? Seems a little suspect a week before the draft. How come we are just hearing about this now? Interesting how the Narrative has changed from Bryce Young's size to Stroud's unwillingness to take Coaching.
Stroud has always struck me as a little punchy. Then you have the whole Ohio State thing. He is the most accurate QB I watched, but I don't like what's in his head. He makes a lot of bad decisions.
If history holds, out of the 5 QBs commonly mocked in the 1st round, 1 will hit, 2 will tease and 2 will be flat out busts. IMO, Stroud and AR are the busts.
YaH, if history is our guide, that will hold true. I just dont know who's the real deal and who will suck.
Mackey and Judd on SKOR North Purple Daily had a great segment on the success of the first 5 QB's drafted in each draft since 2000. The drop off in NFL success from the 1st QB taken vs. 2-5 in each draft is significant. Ponder was a great example. He was drafted in the 1st Round, but he was the 4th QB taken. When looking at this year's draft, I see more of the same. The chance of NFL success when you get to 5(Hooker), who is the most likely QB in this year's class to still be available at 23 is going to be less than 25% and those stats are based on 2nd through the 5th QB taken. When you get all the way to 5, it's significantly less than 25%. NFL Success was defined as an above average multi-year starter for the evaluation. This data covers 22 drafts so this isn't a small sample size. The odds are against us if we are targeting the 4th or 5th best QB in this draft with our 23rd pick, or engineering a trade to move up and pay a higher price. Trey Lance was the 3rd QB taken in 2021 and the 49ers gave up a ton of draft capital to move up to #3 to get him. 5 QB's were taken in the 1st round of the 2021 draft and only Trevor Lawrence ranked above average per PFF at #10. Cousins came in at #7. Wilson and Lance aren't even in the conversation, and Mack Jones actually ranked ahead of Fields based on QB Metrics because essentially Fields is a Running Back who occasionally throws the ball so he gets penalized in the rankings. This was eye opening for me and makes me think twice about spending our 1st round pick, or more if we trade up, to get the 4th or 5th ranked QB.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
From today's GBN;
Who’s #2 … For most of the last couple of months of the pre-draft process the one thing you could take to the bank was the notion that Alabama’s Bryce Young and CJ Stroud of Ohio State were firmly entrenched as the top two QBs. Young, of course, isn’t going anywhere, except maybe Kansas City next Thursday and then Carolina. But, literally all of a sudden, there are whispers that just maybe Stroud isn’t necessarily QB2 any longer, that Will Levis of Kentucky has emerged as the #2 QB on a number of team’s boards across the league including that in Houston where the Texans have the 2nd pick overall and have been sending out signals that they maybe balking over taking a QB at that spot. Presumably there’s more to come here. In the meantime, for those that keep track of these things, the draft starts a week today! Hang in there!
Let the craziness begin folks
Isn't all the speculation on Stroud sliding based on rumors he isn't Coachable? Seems a little suspect a week before the draft. How come we are just hearing about this now? Interesting how the Narrative has changed from Bryce Young's size to Stroud's unwillingness to take Coaching.
Stroud has always struck me as a little punchy. Then you have the whole Ohio State thing. He is the most accurate QB I watched, but I don't like what's in his head. He makes a lot of bad decisions.
If history holds, out of the 5 QBs commonly mocked in the 1st round, 1 will hit, 2 will tease and 2 will be flat out busts. IMO, Stroud and AR are the busts.
YaH, if history is our guide, that will hold true. I just dont know who's the real deal and who will suck.
Mackey and Judd on SKOR North Purple Daily had a great segment on the success of the first 5 QB's drafted in each draft since 2000. The drop off in NFL success from the 1st QB taken vs. 2-5 in each draft is significant. Ponder was a great example. He was drafted in the 1st Round, but he was the 4th QB taken. When looking at this year's draft, I see more of the same. The chance of NFL success when you get to 5(Hooker), who is the most likely QB in this year's class to still be available at 23 is going to be less than 25% and those stats are based on 2nd through the 5th QB taken. When you get all the way to 5, it's significantly less than 25%. NFL Success was defined as an above average multi-year starter for the evaluation. This data covers 22 drafts so this isn't a small sample size. The odds are against us if we are targeting the 4th or 5th best QB in this draft with our 23rd pick, or engineering a trade to move up and pay a higher price. Trey Lance was the 3rd QB taken in 2021 and the 49ers gave up a ton of draft capital to move up to #3 to get him. 5 QB's were taken in the 1st round of the 2021 draft and only Trevor Lawrence ranked above average per PFF at #10. Cousins came in at #7. Wilson and Lance aren't even in the conversation, and Mack Jones actually ranked ahead of Fields based on QB Metrics because essentially Fields is a Running Back who occasionally throws the ball so he gets penalized in the rankings. This was eye opening for me and makes me think twice about spending our 1st round pick, or more if we trade up, to get the 4th or 5th ranked QB.
Yep, its kind of staggering really. Its unbelievably hard to score a franchise QB in the NFL.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
From today's GBN;
Who’s #2 … For most of the last couple of months of the pre-draft process the one thing you could take to the bank was the notion that Alabama’s Bryce Young and CJ Stroud of Ohio State were firmly entrenched as the top two QBs. Young, of course, isn’t going anywhere, except maybe Kansas City next Thursday and then Carolina. But, literally all of a sudden, there are whispers that just maybe Stroud isn’t necessarily QB2 any longer, that Will Levis of Kentucky has emerged as the #2 QB on a number of team’s boards across the league including that in Houston where the Texans have the 2nd pick overall and have been sending out signals that they maybe balking over taking a QB at that spot. Presumably there’s more to come here. In the meantime, for those that keep track of these things, the draft starts a week today! Hang in there!
Let the craziness begin folks
Isn't all the speculation on Stroud sliding based on rumors he isn't Coachable? Seems a little suspect a week before the draft. How come we are just hearing about this now? Interesting how the Narrative has changed from Bryce Young's size to Stroud's unwillingness to take Coaching.
Stroud has always struck me as a little punchy. Then you have the whole Ohio State thing. He is the most accurate QB I watched, but I don't like what's in his head. He makes a lot of bad decisions.
If history holds, out of the 5 QBs commonly mocked in the 1st round, 1 will hit, 2 will tease and 2 will be flat out busts. IMO, Stroud and AR are the busts.
YaH, if history is our guide, that will hold true. I just dont know who's the real deal and who will suck.
Mackey and Judd on SKOR North Purple Daily had a great segment on the success of the first 5 QB's drafted in each draft since 2000. The drop off in NFL success from the 1st QB taken vs. 2-5 in each draft is significant. Ponder was a great example. He was drafted in the 1st Round, but he was the 4th QB taken. When looking at this year's draft, I see more of the same. The chance of NFL success when you get to 5(Hooker), who is the most likely QB in this year's class to still be available at 23 is going to be less than 25% and those stats are based on 2nd through the 5th QB taken. When you get all the way to 5, it's significantly less than 25%. NFL Success was defined as an above average multi-year starter for the evaluation. This data covers 22 drafts so this isn't a small sample size. The odds are against us if we are targeting the 4th or 5th best QB in this draft with our 23rd pick, or engineering a trade to move up and pay a higher price. Trey Lance was the 3rd QB taken in 2021 and the 49ers gave up a ton of draft capital to move up to #3 to get him. 5 QB's were taken in the 1st round of the 2021 draft and only Trevor Lawrence ranked above average per PFF at #10. Cousins came in at #7. Wilson and Lance aren't even in the conversation, and Mack Jones actually ranked ahead of Fields based on QB Metrics because essentially Fields is a Running Back who occasionally throws the ball so he gets penalized in the rankings. This was eye opening for me and makes me think twice about spending our 1st round pick, or more if we trade up, to get the 4th or 5th ranked QB.
Wonder how many here would consider Culpepper a franchise QB these days?
From BobMcGinn on Twitter-
S2 Cognition test results (no I have no idea what this test is, but):
Bryce Young 98%Jake Haener 96%Will Levis 93%Jaren Hall 93%Clayton Tune 84%Anthony Richardson 79%
Hendon Hooker 46%
CJ Stroud 18% :#
This + interviews might be some of the reason teams are flipping Levis and Stroud...
Quote: @pattersaur said:
From BobMcGinn on Twitter-
S2 Cognition test results (no I have no idea what this test is, but):
Bryce Young 98%Jake Haener 96%Will Levis 93%Jaren Hall 93%Clayton Tune 84%Anthony Richardson 79%
Hendon Hooker 46%
CJ Stroud 18% :#
This + interviews might be some of the reason teams are flipping Levis and Stroud...
While the test is relatively new to the NFL, even retired players like Drew Brees have taken it.
He tested at an elite level. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Justin Fields were all elite scorers as well. But S2 has an even greater ace up its sleeve. The 2022 NFL Draft’s highest scorer was none other than Mr. Irrelevant, 49ers QB Brock Purdy
The S2 evaluation tests nine different cognitive skills for QBs.
- Perception Speed
- Search Efficiency
- Tracking Capacity
- Visual Learning
- Instinctive Learning
- Decision Complexity
- Distraction Control
- Impulse Control
- Improvisation
The site does a good job of giving visitors vital information about the tests and their results through its blog. But a Twitter thread from their account a few days ago gives the most succinct overview of what they do.
First, it’s important to note that quarterbacks test higher (68) than the average (50) for all positions. S2 tested 117 quarterbacks at the time of their blog post, and of the 27 starters they tested, they dropped them into two different buckets.
The top-tier starters were those with a career QB rating of over 90. Meanwhile, the rest ended up in the lower-tier bucket. There were 14 top-tier quarterbacks and 13 lower-tier among the 27 starters. The rest were backup players or those never signed by teams.
Using a regression model, S2 found that the quarterback’s score accounted for 28.7% of their career passer rating, meaning that about a quarter of passer rating can be predicted by or explained by an S2 score. For reference, college completion percentage explains 13.5% of passer rating, while the Wonderlic sits at a cool 0.01%.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/what-is-the-s2-cognitive-test/
2023 Final Big Board - Great Blue North Draft Report (gbnreport.com)
Final GBN Big Board is out. I continue to be amazed at the cornerback depth in this draft. I'm looking at the late 80's through the 100's and there are some talented players in that range. If the Vikings pass on cornerback in the first round, we are still going to have some opportunities later in the draft.
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