Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
The Vikings knew what they had and didnt have when they picked him up on his first contract.
Where they have failed as an organization is taking that insight about Kirko and building a plan against it.
He is not a Rogers or Mahomes - he needs more than a shitty OL and piss poor D. This sounds like excuses, but it isnt. Its a reality the Vikings have failed to do more about in a timely fashion.
Last year KC damn near pulled the rabbit out of the hat 4 or 5 times to save this teams asz and he deserves a year 2 with KOC. I'm not ready to kick that to the curb easily.
No fan should. Its liar season out there in the NFL. The amount of smoke and bullshit is at its zenith right now, less than a week before the Draft.
But he's going to be 35 years old next August and they got nothing in the can. And he's on a last year of his contract upcoming.
Agreed - they need to add to the Qb room no doubt.
I'm just being a bit reflective this am and the Vikings org doesnt get enough criticism imo for building the right surround. They should have been tossing some $ right away at the IOL.
This is where the 49'ers have been exemplary. Eagles too.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
The Vikings knew what they had and didnt have when they picked him up on his first contract.
Where they have failed as an organization is taking that insight about Kirko and building a plan against it.
He is not a Rogers or Mahomes - he needs more than a shitty OL and piss poor D. This sounds like excuses, but it isnt. Its a reality the Vikings have failed to do more about in a timely fashion.
Last year KC damn near pulled the rabbit out of the hat 4 or 5 times to save this teams asz and he deserves a year 2 with KOC. I'm not ready to kick that to the curb easily.
I'm excited to see what Kirk does in year two in this offense. We have to find competition for KJO. We have to be more successful running the ball. And the IOL has to tighten up.
But given that the OL will return all 5 starters for the first time in a decade, we signed the NFL's best run blocking TE, and since one of our top draft picks will very likely be a WR, it looks like the odds of those things happening are decent.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
KAM has been at it a whopping year and the team won 13 games last season. You'd think fans might cut him some slack, lol.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
How do we trade Cousins with his dead cap money sitting at $28.5 Million in 2024? I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm just wondering how we can pull that off and field a competitive team? You are essentially starting an unproven QB from this draft or next on a Rookie Deal. If Cousins has another great year under KOC, and we win a playoff game or two with an improved defense, how do you not extend him?
Quote: @TBro said:
How do we trade Cousins with his dead cap money sitting at $28.5 Million in 2024? I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm just wondering how we can pull that off and field a competitive team? You are essentially starting an unproven QB from this draft or next on a Rookie Deal. If Cousins has another great year under KOC, and we win a playoff game or two with an improved defense, how do you not extend him?
I think that is why we are more likely to draft a QB than trade for Lance. If we take someone like Hooker then we can let him sit behind Cousins for at least this year and if Cousins continues to take his game up, we can extend him and let the rookie continue to sit just as the Packers did with Love. With Lance's contract you could sit him behind Cousins a year, but then putting yourself in a tough spot regarding his contract if he does perform well when he plays.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
Lol I'm sure he will be. Just saying everyone knows I'm not a fan of his and one of the few who will call him out on stupid decisions. Holding onto Cousins for a singular season then letting him walk for nothing when we could have traded him for maximum value now, would qualify as one of those stupid decisions. It appears they don't want to retain him at the number he wants and if you don't consider our roster to be Super Bowl worthy...well it's just another season of spinning our wheels, being competitive enough to appease the Wilfs, and going nowhere.
As far as Cousins maybe winning a Super Bowl for the 49ers, who cares...? If there's no intention of keeping Cousins anyways and we maximize trade value for him, nobody cares because we still aren't a better team or roster then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Detroit, the Giants, and I won't even delve into the AFC teams with better rosters.
I think if you were to put out a more attractive alternative in terms of compensation for Cousins you wouldn't get this push back. But to trade KC for an absolute unproven, not only at the NFL level but NCAA level as well. Lol, dude had all of 318 NCAA passing attempts in the mighty MVC. With all the red flags as for whey SF is even considering dumping him after just 2 years. Injury, poor performances in games, practices and scrimmages. No guarantee that Purdy plays in 2023, or is the same player. Which leaves SF with Darnold and who knows what at back up, for a win now team. You arent going to have many clamoring to jump on the Lance for Cousins bandwagon. Totally agree about maximizing trade value. But what your'e suggesting is far from maximizing trade value, it's getting something, anything, just to say you got something.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
wouldnt the fact that KAM has only been here a year suggest that putting Cousins on a team with better talent and they win a SB be more of a nail in Spielmans coffin than KAM? Trading him when the team has about zero chance of being truly competitive in 24 vs letting him walk after 24 with no compensation... seems the latter is the stupid move. there are things to keep a fan thinking maybe just maybe, but in all honesty, thats about every offseason and to date how do all those off season maybes turn out?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
wouldnt the fact that KAM has only been here a year suggest that putting Cousins on a team with better talent and they win a SB be more of a nail in Spielmans coffin than KAM? Trading him when the team has about zero chance of being truly competitive in 24 vs letting him walk after 24 with no compensation... seems the latter is the stupid move. there are things to keep a fan thinking maybe just maybe, but in all honesty, thats about every offseason and to date how do all those off season maybes turn out?
I'm not sure I understand anything of what you just wrote. But I'd say it's less about Cousins winning a Super Bowl elsewhere and more about replacing him with a QB who can't play. As odd as it may sound, some of us actually understand the importance of having a good QB, and how incredibly difficult it is to find one.
And why take on that kind of risk when you don't have to? You can simply keep Cousins and draft his understudy. Or if you miss, send a couple of '24 picks to SF for Lance. Then you get to see Cousins in year two of the offense, the Vikings will return one of the best offenses in the NFL, AND you have the presumptive QBOTF to develop.
If you hit, great! '23 is Cousins last year in purple. If he doesn't, you still have Cousins. Let his '23 season determine what you do.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I think the bottom line is IF there is no intention on signing Kirk to another short term extension and giving him the guaranteed money he wants, then do we simply let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do we use his trade value now to acquire a young, high upside signal caller to build around? To me its pointless to keep Kirk for one more year while we likely win 8 or 9 games and maybe have an outside shot at the playoffs. I think realistically that is the absolute ceiling in keeping Kirk Cousins for one more season and it does nothing towards building this team long term. I think the chances of us drafting one of the top quarterbacks this year is somewhere between slim to none. We aren't in position to do so and we don't have the draft capital to move up while also addressing the numerous roster holes that still need to be filled.
And again, if the organization thought Cousins was the guy to lead them to the Super Bowl, then an extension would have already been signed! We wouldn't be out here looking at other options. The fact that it hasn't happened yet leads me to believe it won't happen, and the team wants to get off the hostage train with him and get a young guy in the fold to build around. If that takes the trading of Kirk Cousins to get that done, then to me it's a no brainer and you make that move. As always I think the big hurdle in doing anything like that is the Wilfs and their unrealistic fanboy expectations. In today's NFL sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward. Not everybody can be the Patriots and be Super Bowl contenders for a dozen years straight. That just doesn't happen and its not the way the league is built
What if Kwesi, the Analytics Genius, is betting against Kirk repeating his 2022 performance so we can get him at lower price?. Kirk's discount offer still had a ton of Guaranteed money which would have handcuffed us for 3 more years. I'm fine with letting this play out and see what kind of season Kirk has in his second year under KOC's offense. Odds are he won't be able to repeat what he did with a tougher schedule and won't have as much leverage as he thinks he does after last season's performance. It could blow up in our faces, but I like the Odds if I'm putting money on it. If he decides to walk and start over with a new team then so be it. I don't think he wants to do that at his age. If he has a bad year and we part ways because it's our decision, then it will be a very smart play by Kwesi and we will all be praising his decision making prowess. Grab one of the QB's we've had in on the Top 30 Visits and let him learn under Kirk for a year, especially if we can execute a Trade Down from 23 for more picks. Also, all the dead cap accelerates if he is not with the team next season so I'm still of the belief we extend him, but we are letting him set the market with his performance this year instead of rewarding him for last year.
I will absolutely lambaste Kwesi if he holds on to Cousins, he underperforms, and we simply let him walk out the door at seasons end for nothing when he is a tradable commodity right now. Geoff thought his value could fetch us as much as a late first round pick, and if that's the case and we play things out that poorly...well, then I've seen enough of Kwesi. I just don't see the value in holding onto Cousins unless Kwesi is going to put his ass on the line in signing him to another extension. Either they are in or out on Kirk Cousins.
I'm sure Kwesi trembles in his office awaiting your response. :-)
You can make crazy roster decisions without consequence, but if KAM trades Cousins for an unknown and the unknown fails while Cousins wins a trophy in San Francisco, he will be the biggest laughing stock in the NFL...and out of a job.
wouldnt the fact that KAM has only been here a year suggest that putting Cousins on a team with better talent and they win a SB be more of a nail in Spielmans coffin than KAM? Trading him when the team has about zero chance of being truly competitive in 24 vs letting him walk after 24 with no compensation... seems the latter is the stupid move. there are things to keep a fan thinking maybe just maybe, but in all honesty, thats about every offseason and to date how do all those off season maybes turn out?
I'm not sure I understand anything of what you just wrote. But I'd say it's less about Cousins winning a Super Bowl elsewhere and more about replacing him with a QB who can't play. As odd as it may sound, some of us actually understand the importance of having a good QB, and how incredibly difficult it is to find one.
And why take on that kind of risk when you don't have to? You can simply keep Cousins and draft his understudy. Or if you miss, send a couple of '24 picks to SF for Lance. Then you get to see Cousins in year two of the offense, the Vikings will return one of the best offenses in the NFL, AND you have the presumptive QBOTF to develop.
If you hit, great! '23 is Cousins last year in purple. If he doesn't, you still have Cousins. Let his '23 season determine what you do.
the key is the supporting cast with Cousins, he hasnt elevated a roster hes been on yet to achieve a SB so why would the fan base be up KAMs ass for trading him away for assets that could possibly help fix this roster when its been apparent that its not going to get done with him here in the next year. if any fan would get upset that Cousins was able to win a ring with the right roster around him, and RS was the GM that not only brought him here, but was the guy that assembled the roster that KAM inherited, that is where any blame should lie for Kirk not being able to get it done here.
what risk, the risk that the team isnt going to win a superbowl, an NFC championship, they havent done those in almost 50 years, or is it another meaningless NFC north title and a one and done in the playoffs? this team isnt going to do shit in 23 regardless of who is at QB, got to get off the KC merrygoround at some point, might as well be when you could possibly get something in return instead of just another "nice" season.
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