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@ supafreak84 said:
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I think there's no way around it being a sacrifice at some point relating to moving on from Cousins
All Viking fans would be willing to make a one or two year sacrifice if it meant improving the team and going to the Super Bowl.
But you really have to consider the odds of that. They're not very good. The Bears have been looking for a QB for decades. In their entire history, they've never once had a QB season as good as Kirk Cousins worst season statistically. Washington thought they could do better. They've since started 14 different QBs. Jay Gruden called moving on from Cousins "a huge mistake." The Chiefs drafted 32 QBs before landing Mahomes.
In other words, you're just assuming it's going to be a short term sacrifice. You're assuming the QB who replaces him will be as good, or as durable, or even just capable of paying in the NFL, when the odds are stacked against it.
Personally, I think the odds of the Vikings winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 or 4 years are much better with Kirk Cousins than without him.
Well you have to take his age into the equation, how long you expect him to be playing at a high level, and just what are we willing to commit to money wise in an extension. All that plays into the equation. Everybody routinely on this forum caps on Matt Ryan, who has been a durable former league MVP who's play has fallen off a cliff the last couple years. That's common for a QB when they get into their mid 30's. Matt Ryan is 37 years old, Cousins will be 35 prior to the start of the season. So are you willing to continue to bet financially that Kirk doesn't fall off that cliff by giving him another extension? Kwesi is an analytics man and the analytics state over the course of NFL history that older QB's typically don't sustain their play and become more prone to injury. Reading between the lines leads me to believe the Vikings WILL NOT commit to the amount of guaranteed money Cousins wants in an extension. So when you combine all this it's reasonable to believe the Vikings want to move off of Kirk in the next year or two and when you bring in a completely new front office, you have to trust in their ability to identify that QBOTF. Doesn't mean it will happen, but if you are the Wilfs you can't be scared to let them take that swing because that's why you hired them.
Fine, take the swing...as long as that swing happens before you lose your still very capable QB. As you know, there are a few folks who are advocating using Cousins to improve our place in the batting order. That is NOT an option.
But at what end are you keeping said very capable QB? He is under contract for one more season and we can't come to terms on an extension agreement. So you want to keep him for what, so we can be mediocre and he walks in free agency after the season for nothing? I can see the logic if you think we are legit Super Bowl contenders but we were clearly the 4th or 5th best team in the conference last season despite our record and nothing I've seen this offseason has really changed that. So I'd say anything is on the table at this point including moving said capable QB, who we can't come to a contract agreement with, if it helps us acquire our QBOTF to build around
Trading Cousins for a rookie is not on the table. Nobody would be that stupid.
Depends what your goals are. If you want your team to be "competitive" every single season and you believe that's the best approach to winning a championship then yeah it's incredibly dumb.
If you want a rookie to take their lumps and learn on the job and potentially grow from live reps then maybe it's not so stupid. Just depends on the philosophy. Everything we've seen indicates the Wilfs are in the former camp.
The focus is misplaced when people are more worried about the 7th rated QB instead of the 31st rated defense in terms of quick fixes, and what side of the ball is old and dysfunctional.
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The focus is misplaced when people are more worried about the 7th rated QB instead of the 31st rated defense in terms of quick fixes, and what side of the ball is old and dysfunctional.
I have been thinking the same thing while reading all these posts. Offense definitely wasn't the problem last season, at least not the biggest problem by any means.
The defense needs a complete overhaul, schematically and talent wise. Speed is essential and I believe their attempt to get younger is addressing that.
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Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game.
Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline.
And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position.
By drafting one. Confused by the question.
No team would ever trade their perfectly good veteran QB for a draft pick. It would just never happen. Draft one, see what he's got, then trade? Sure. QB for QB, OK, but the QB has to be proven.
But QB for a rookie? Never happen. Not in a million years. Imagine the egg on the face of the GM of a 13-win team trading one of the NFL's best QBs, who's still only 34, for a draft pick that turns out to be Dwayne Haskins or Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota, or Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder.........No, it would never happen.
I think for some of you, your hatred of Cousins has clouded your ability to see things clearly.
I personally love the "he's not clutch" trope as we went 13-3 this year with what, 8,9 come from behind clutch victories.
Yes, "clutch" is too broad and was the wrong word. It's more like usually when the pressure in his mind gets too great he checks down, panics with his throws, or just crumbles.
It amazes me the perpetually moving goal post with Cousins. The first few seasons "he's trash in the 4th quarter". Meanwhile starting half way through the 2020 season through the 2022 season he had been one of the best in the 4th. On to next narrative "ya well he's only good in 4th quarter garbage time. But he shrivels late when games are close". Fast forward 2021 season and Cousins repeatedly brought the team back late and a historically bad defense blows a record number of late leads. On to the next narrative, "he panics when down late and either checks down or throws stupid ints'".
2022 season he ties the record for most come from behind victories. The new, new, new, new narrative is "when the pressure in his mind gets too great he checks down, panics with his throws, or just crumbles". Lol, now we have fans reading minds and thinking they know when the pressure "in his mind" is too much. I am perfectly happy to move on from KC if it is on to legitimate alternative. However it seems many are scrambling to move on just to move on, not to move on to someone equal to or better than what KC provides. Lol, I saw one post advocating for somehow trading Cousins, moving up and drafting Levis and signing an absolutely wash Matt Ryan. Tell me thats not the pitch of someone desperate to to move on just to move on.
Look, I'm just going to put one game out there but it wasn't even his worst game last year. Before you respond go and watch the game. Vikings/Bills, watch the two picks he throws. One he panics and blindly throws it to the left flat when he still had time. For what he gets paid it is unacceptable.Finished with thread.
This example doesn't align with your logic that he does silly stuff when "in his mind the pressure is too great". The first interception was at the end of the 1st quarter down by 7. Is your assertion that he is so delicate a touchdown deficit is too much pressure?
Second interception was down 2 touchdowns with 27:22 left in the game. On the season he led the team to victories 4 times when down by 10 or more points. Not sure he was crapping his pants just yet.
But let's roll with your hypothesis. Wouldn't it stand to reason, using your logic, that after the second int he'd seriously start crapping the bed? Meanwhile in reality, where fans can't actually read players minds. Cousins went 17-24 for 183 yards leading the offense to 23 points and an epic win.
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@ FLVike said:
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Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game.
Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline.
And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position.
By drafting one. Confused by the question.
No team would ever trade their perfectly good veteran QB for a draft pick. It would just never happen. Draft one, see what he's got, then trade? Sure. QB for QB, OK, but the QB has to be proven.
But QB for a rookie? Never happen. Not in a million years. Imagine the egg on the face of the GM of a 13-win team trading one of the NFL's best QBs, who's still only 34, for a draft pick that turns out to be Dwayne Haskins or Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota, or Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder.........No, it would never happen.
I think for some of you, your hatred of Cousins has clouded your ability to see things clearly.
I personally love the "he's not clutch" trope as we went 13-3 this year with what, 8,9 come from behind clutch victories.
Yes, "clutch" is too broad and was the wrong word. It's more like usually when the pressure in his mind gets too great he checks down, panics with his throws, or just crumbles.
It amazes me the perpetually moving goal post with Cousins. The first few seasons "he's trash in the 4th quarter". Meanwhile starting half way through the 2020 season through the 2022 season he had been one of the best in the 4th. On to next narrative "ya well he's only good in 4th quarter garbage time. But he shrivels late when games are close". Fast forward 2021 season and Cousins repeatedly brought the team back late and a historically bad defense blows a record number of late leads. On to the next narrative, "he panics when down late and either checks down or throws stupid ints'".
2022 season he ties the record for most come from behind victories. The new, new, new, new narrative is "when the pressure in his mind gets too great he checks down, panics with his throws, or just crumbles". Lol, now we have fans reading minds and thinking they know when the pressure "in his mind" is too much. I am perfectly happy to move on from KC if it is on to legitimate alternative. However it seems many are scrambling to move on just to move on, not to move on to someone equal to or better than what KC provides. Lol, I saw one post advocating for somehow trading Cousins, moving up and drafting Levis and signing an absolutely wash Matt Ryan. Tell me thats not the pitch of someone desperate to to move on just to move on.
Look, I'm just going to put one game out there but it wasn't even his worst game last year. Before you respond go and watch the game. Vikings/Bills, watch the two picks he throws. One he panics and blindly throws it to the left flat when he still had time. For what he gets paid it is unacceptable.Finished with thread.
This example doesn't align with your logic that he does silly stuff when "in his mind the pressure is too great". The first interception was at the end of the 1st quarter down by 7. Is your assertion that he is so delicate a touchdown deficit is too much pressure?
Second interception was down 2 touchdowns with 27:22 left in the game. On the season he led the team to victories 4 times when down by 10 or more points. Not sure he was crapping his pants just yet.
But let's roll with your hypothesis. Wouldn't it stand to reason, using your logic, that after the second int he'd seriously start crapping the bed? Meanwhile in reality, where fans can't actually read players minds. Cousins went 17-24 for 183 yards leading the offense to 23 points and an epic win.
Watch the game again. He did not win the game, he did more to lose it.
He should have learned from that game but he didn't. His best play was to close his eyes and chuck it out to JJ's territory. He should have done the same in his last pass of the season but he's too hard headed to understand.
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Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game.
Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline.
And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position.
By drafting one. Confused by the question.
No team would ever trade their perfectly good veteran QB for a draft pick. It would just never happen. Draft one, see what he's got, then trade? Sure. QB for QB, OK, but the QB has to be proven.
But QB for a rookie? Never happen. Not in a million years. Imagine the egg on the face of the GM of a 13-win team trading one of the NFL's best QBs, who's still only 34, for a draft pick that turns out to be Dwayne Haskins or Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota, or Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder.........No, it would never happen.
I think for some of you, your hatred of Cousins has clouded your ability to see things clearly.
Nothing confusing about it. We are on a time restriction with Cousin's playing out the last year of his deal with the Vikings unwilling to budge on the guaranteed money he wants in an extension. So do we simply let him play out the last year of his contract and let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do you recoup what you can now in a trade pre-draft and use the assets acquired to try to move up in the draft to land a young franchise QB? To me the latter makes much more sense. I like Kirk, I just don't like playing the contract/extension game with Kirk every offseason and understand his time is coming to an end, whether this year or next
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think the team wants to see what he does in year two of the offense. And how he performs in '23 will dictate what happens with the contract.
Of course, if they have a chance to land a much younger, proven veteran like Lamar Jackson, they might just do that. And I would not be opposed to that at all. See, for me, it's not as much about the QB as it is about avoiding the crapshoot and getting a proven vet. I think any time you have a chance to get one--whether it's Cousins in '18 or Jackson in '23 or Brady in '21 or even Russell Wilson in '22--you gotta do that. But it's not going to be for a QB who's never played a down in the NFL. Unless someone has gone off the wails on a Kwesi twain. :-) A lot may depend on how the draft plays out, but continue to think they will try to identify if there is a QB worth moving up for or if they feel strongly enough about Hooker or McKee. That may or may not work out but their approach to this point leaves that option open. While Kirk doesn't deserve the questioning he is now getting I think two points really are driving home the decision.
1. Winning with a QB on a rookie scale contract is the single most significant advantage in the NFL
2. New FO/Coaches nearly always draft "their guy" at QB. They've already done this in a minor way retaining Hicks
I tend to think the current plan is to move off Kirk if they can secure an alternative. It just doesn't make much sense to see what happens in 2023. If he doesn't take another step you're left with no QB. If he's successful you have no leverage and potentially no QB. Due to the 3rd tag rules and Kirk's early void date he can force his way to FA. The Vikings can simply do nothing if he wants to see the market.
My guess is they aggressively try to draft a QB. If they do he plays out the contract. If they can't secure a QB I tend to think they will circle-back on extension talks prior to the season.
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@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
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Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game.
Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline.
And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position.
By drafting one. Confused by the question.
No team would ever trade their perfectly good veteran QB for a draft pick. It would just never happen. Draft one, see what he's got, then trade? Sure. QB for QB, OK, but the QB has to be proven.
But QB for a rookie? Never happen. Not in a million years. Imagine the egg on the face of the GM of a 13-win team trading one of the NFL's best QBs, who's still only 34, for a draft pick that turns out to be Dwayne Haskins or Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota, or Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder.........No, it would never happen.
I think for some of you, your hatred of Cousins has clouded your ability to see things clearly.
I personally love the "he's not clutch" trope as we went 13-3 this year with what, 8,9 come from behind clutch victories.
Yes, "clutch" is too broad and was the wrong word. It's more like usually when the pressure in his mind gets too great he checks down, panics with his throws, or just crumbles.
It amazes me the perpetually moving goal post with Cousins. The first few seasons "he's trash in the 4th quarter". Meanwhile starting half way through the 2020 season through the 2022 season he had been one of the best in the 4th. On to next narrative "ya well he's only good in 4th quarter garbage time. But he shrivels late when games are close". Fast forward 2021 season and Cousins repeatedly brought the team back late and a historically bad defense blows a record number of late leads. On to the next narrative, "he panics when down late and either checks down or throws stupid ints'".
2022 season he ties the record for most come from behind victories. The new, new, new, new narrative is "when the pressure in his mind gets too great he checks down, panics with his throws, or just crumbles". Lol, now we have fans reading minds and thinking they know when the pressure "in his mind" is too much. I am perfectly happy to move on from KC if it is on to legitimate alternative. However it seems many are scrambling to move on just to move on, not to move on to someone equal to or better than what KC provides. Lol, I saw one post advocating for somehow trading Cousins, moving up and drafting Levis and signing an absolutely wash Matt Ryan. Tell me thats not the pitch of someone desperate to to move on just to move on.
Look, I'm just going to put one game out there but it wasn't even his worst game last year. Before you respond go and watch the game. Vikings/Bills, watch the two picks he throws. One he panics and blindly throws it to the left flat when he still had time. For what he gets paid it is unacceptable.Finished with thread.
This example doesn't align with your logic that he does silly stuff when "in his mind the pressure is too great". The first interception was at the end of the 1st quarter down by 7. Is your assertion that he is so delicate a touchdown deficit is too much pressure?
Second interception was down 2 touchdowns with 27:22 left in the game. On the season he led the team to victories 4 times when down by 10 or more points. Not sure he was crapping his pants just yet.
But let's roll with your hypothesis. Wouldn't it stand to reason, using your logic, that after the second int he'd seriously start crapping the bed? Meanwhile in reality, where fans can't actually read players minds. Cousins went 17-24 for 183 yards leading the offense to 23 points and an epic win.
Watch the game again. He did not win the game, he did more to lose it.
I mean I watched the game live and the replay the following day on NFL Network but thanks for the suggestion. Perhaps if I borrow a pair of your hate shaded glasses I'd see something else. Never said he won it himself. He sure as heck didn't do anything close to doing more to lose it with the second half performance.Lol, Case Keenum performing that way and the clown car would be crowning him king.
What was that saying guys like you always spouted? "Wins is the only stat that matters". Cousins wins and it's not pretty and suddenly the "ugly win" column gets added to the moving goal post of nonsense.
Funny, your reply in no way attempts to disprove the actual facts of the matter. Simply more of the ole eye test responses we have come to expect. Side note, aren't you done with this thread?
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@ MaroonBells said:
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Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game.
Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline.
And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position.
By drafting one. Confused by the question.
No team would ever trade their perfectly good veteran QB for a draft pick. It would just never happen. Draft one, see what he's got, then trade? Sure. QB for QB, OK, but the QB has to be proven.
But QB for a rookie? Never happen. Not in a million years. Imagine the egg on the face of the GM of a 13-win team trading one of the NFL's best QBs, who's still only 34, for a draft pick that turns out to be Dwayne Haskins or Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota, or Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder.........No, it would never happen.
I think for some of you, your hatred of Cousins has clouded your ability to see things clearly.
Nothing confusing about it. We are on a time restriction with Cousin's playing out the last year of his deal with the Vikings unwilling to budge on the guaranteed money he wants in an extension. So do we simply let him play out the last year of his contract and let him walk for nothing at the end of the year, or do you recoup what you can now in a trade pre-draft and use the assets acquired to try to move up in the draft to land a young franchise QB? To me the latter makes much more sense. I like Kirk, I just don't like playing the contract/extension game with Kirk every offseason and understand his time is coming to an end, whether this year or next
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think the team wants to see what he does in year two of the offense. And how he performs in '23 will dictate what happens with the contract.
Of course, if they have a chance to land a much younger, proven veteran like Lamar Jackson, they might just do that. And I would not be opposed to that at all. See, for me, it's not as much about the QB as it is about avoiding the crapshoot and getting a proven vet. I think any time you have a chance to get one--whether it's Cousins in '18 or Jackson in '23 or Brady in '21 or even Russell Wilson in '22--you gotta do that. But it's not going to be for a QB who's never played a down in the NFL. Unless someone has gone off the wails on a Kwesi twain. :-) A lot may depend on how the draft plays out, but continue to think they will try to identify if there is a QB worth moving up for or if they feel strongly enough about Hooker or McKee. That may or may not work out but their approach to this point leaves that option open. While Kirk doesn't deserve the questioning he is now getting I think two points really are driving home the decision.
1. Winning with a QB on a rookie scale contract is the single most significant advantage in the NFL
2. New FO/Coaches nearly always draft "their guy" at QB. They've already done this in a minor way retaining Hicks
I tend to think the current plan is to move off Kirk if they can secure an alternative. It just doesn't make much sense to see what happens in 2023. If he doesn't take another step you're left with no QB. If he's successful you have no leverage and potentially no QB. Due to the 3rd tag rules and Kirk's early void date he can force his way to FA. The Vikings can simply do nothing if he wants to see the market.
My guess is they aggressively try to draft a QB. If they do he plays out the contract. If they can't secure a QB I tend to think they will circle-back on extension talks prior to the season.
Totally agree. Assuming there's nothing to the Jackson rumors, I think the odds of the Vikings taking a QB in this draft are very high. My only point is just that we won't use Cousins to do that, effectively trading Cousins for a rookie. No GM in the NFL would ever do that.
Imagine the potential media narrative: New GM trades 4-time Pro Bowl, 13-win QB for....Dwayne Haskins...or Josh Rosen. It would just never happen.
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He should have learned from that game but he didn't. His best play was to close his eyes and chuck it out to JJ's territory. He should have done the same in his last pass of the season but he's too hard headed to understand.
Did you listen to him talk about the last pass of the season? Our O-line got beat and being 4th down he knew he had to put the ball in play rather than take a sack.
And he had the clear head to admit the 3rd down throw prior to that was the one he really wanted back. An accurate throw that the defender made a play on, but Kirk knew if he had led KJ a bit more, it would have prevented the defender from breaking it up. Sounds like a guy that folds under pressure and just closes his eyes.
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