Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Kentis said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Kentis said:
Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  )
Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency.
If they’re running a lot of 12 personnel, which seems to be in the cards, he won’t be the backup.
That's more of a Zimmer style offense and not what KOC typically runs, which is a more wide open, 3 WR sets, and getting the ball down the field in the passing game. If he is wanting to run the ball more now in 12 personnel, he better hold on to Dalvin Cook.
I'm not convinced they'll keep Cook...Might depend on how much they can re-sign Mattison for? Go with Mattison, Fast Kenny and Chandler.
I have to think they already know AMs number, its just can they get anything in trade for DC, or can they get him to take a pay cut prior to FA starting.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ Skodin said:
This is a great pickup.
Our running game (and screen game) sucked last year. This guy was #8 overall TE by PFF and one of the best, if not thee best run blocker. Having him on the field gives you more flexibility with Hockensen going down the field. Most importantly his capabilities can help open up Jefferson for more one on ones. Running game improves, you force a safety in the box. With Hock, JJ, and a potential speedster 2WR (damn missing out on Williams and Watson last year), someone is going to have single coverage.
Cap wise, this is either 2 or 3 years for $10.5M guaranteed. If you cut Ham, which you should if he is not going to have a strong role at $3.5M, then this contract barely registers but your roster and gameplan is better.
Good way to start the signings.
(Plus word is he is best friend's with the other purple 8#)
Do you think this means they will leave Cook's deal as is and keep him?
No, I think they are believe in Ty Chandler and Mattison to split the load. Chandler is the agile back to split time from the heavier back in AM. They could be a dynamic duo.
With the 12, you can have a MORE EFFECTIVE running game which brings a safety into the box. I don't want them to run more than last year, but more effectively. We were historically bad with 0 or less yard rush attempts. Part of that was on scheme, part was the line, and a part of it was Cook.
There is zero reason to keep Cook this year. Get a pick, get more space, and give the younger guys a run.
One thing that seems clear with this signing is that the Vikings have already made (or at least accounted for) the moves necessary to be well under the cap. We just don't know what they are yet.
There is nothing wrong with Oliver as a player, but it's definitely the optics of it. Edmunds and Sutton were impact players on defense that would have helped us and it looks like we're playing on the margins looking for bargains before FA even officially begins.
And coincidentally both those guys went to division rivals.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
One thing that seems clear with this signing is that the Vikings have already made (or at least accounted for) the moves necessary to be well under the cap. We just don't know what they are yet.
I think this signing is part of the plan to get us under the cap, as we can cut Ham and Oliver gets veteran minimum this year, so it saves us something like $2M.
I don't think it's going to change how much 11 personnel we use, but rather all our 21 personnel would just switch to 12.
yawn. Let it play out guys. We got a good player. Lets see what else they got going before we chace em with pitchforks.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
One thing that seems clear with this signing is that the Vikings have already made (or at least accounted for) the moves necessary to be well under the cap. We just don't know what they are yet.
I think this signing is part of the plan to get us under the cap, as we can cut Ham and Oliver gets veteran minimum this year, so it saves us something like $2M.
I don't think it's going to change how much 11 personnel we use, but rather all our 21 personnel would just switch to 12.
How would they give him the minimum (1.08M), save 2M or so in cap space, and guarantee Oliver 10M?
Maybe they give Oliver a 9M signing bonus and that minimum salary but that would end up costing 900K or so if, and it is a big IF, Ham is released.
I do not see why the team would not have released Ham already so he could get a start in free agency.
Love the move. This is a league of favorable matchups and this guy will help create some.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
One thing that seems clear with this signing is that the Vikings have already made (or at least accounted for) the moves necessary to be well under the cap. We just don't know what they are yet.
I think this signing is part of the plan to get us under the cap, as we can cut Ham and Oliver gets veteran minimum this year, so it saves us something like $2M.
I don't think it's going to change how much 11 personnel we use, but rather all our 21 personnel would just switch to 12.
How would they give him the minimum (1.08M), save 2M or so in cap space, and guarantee Oliver 10M?
Maybe they give Oliver a 9M signing bonus and that minimum salary but that would end up costing 900K or so if, and it is a big IF, Ham is released.
I do not see why the team would not have released Ham already so he could get a start in free agency.
Still early in the process and why cut him early if you don't have to.
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