Quote: @Purplemachine said:
@ Skodin said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Skodin said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I see Jan 6th itself as some dumb asses storming the capital and they should be appropriately tried and potentially convicted.
The bigger crime is a big lie from ex POTUS and his attempts to circumvent the system our forefathers put in place - for his own drive to stay in power. That s hit dont happen here too often.
But when the last group of dumb asses "stormed" the capital there was no outrage, no concerns, etc. Jan 6th was so overblown its not even funny. The words used to describe Jan 6th are ridiculous. The antics after it are worse.
Don't agree with this at all. Not even a little.
Agreed. If you are open minded to the truth, these hearings have been fascinating and showing the depth of the nightmare that was taking place.
- Numerous officials including the AG knew the election was not stolen and shared this with the president
- The Trump White House knew that protesters were armed and wanted them to have full access to the rally. Telling the White House team to remove the metal detectors.
- Domestic terrorist groups (Oath Keepers and Proud Boys) were in dialogue with the White House regarding coordination
- Top officials and congressional members (Gaetz, a real PEDO btw, Greene, Rudy, Perry, Meadows) asked for a pardon for their involvement
- Congressional members (Sen Johnson's team) were looking to persuade the VP with fake electors
- Trump believed they should hang Mike Pence
- The White House including Meadows knew that Jan 6 was going to be a shitshow (warning his own aid on Jan 2nd) and did nothing to stop it
- Secret Service members deleted all texts (now uncovered and to be presented) on January 6th
- Trump team is reaching out to potential witnesses to "speak" to them regarding their potential testimony
Americans died on January 6th in a coordinated attempt to stop the election results. If Pence gets in that secret service vehicle, who knows what happens. Oh that's right, we know what would have happened, Chuck Grassley would have presided over the results, why, because he implied it publicly on January 5th that he didn't "expect the VP to be there"
So either, all of those highly qualified, "the best" people, insiders and outsiders, that Trump hired are either crooks and liars or Trump is.
To say that this if overblown or a charade is a fucking joke
the fucking joke is the charade of a "hearing" or that those that have been detained have been denied due process. the use of the word "insurrection" being put on those that most ardently support the 2nd amendment, yet 99.95% of those there werent armed, they were supposedly going to try and over throw the govt and they didnt bother to take their guns or ammo? 4 months from mid term elections and they are just now conveniently getting around to holding hearings on this matter, meanwhile people that did real damage during the summer of 2020 riots go unpunished and some old people that peacfully followed a largely peaceful crowd are arrested and held without their due rights.... yes, this is a fucking joke.
Its sad that a few acted criminally, but the over statements made of the day by the media and ever since is ridiculous. There was no attempt to over throw the govt, if anything the evidence that it was partially orchestrated by nancy and the criminal left is what should be considered the fucking joke.
right or wrong there was enough smoke leading up to that day that something was amiss with the election results, we still hear of shit being uncovered or unexplained all the time, and those people wanted answers. some polls suggest that as much as 40% or more Americans question that results of that election... the one sided efforts the left are going to with the charade hearing will not change those peoples minds, and those from the swamp saying that the election was on the up are not reassuring anybody. think about it if the shoe was on the other foot, would you believe the results in light of all the irregularities?
Sure, because the President was saying the election was rigged months before it even happened (starting in August). What do you expect his people to think? If he never started that shit, it would have gone off like any other election. Without question.
Fuck what the media says, watch the hearings and the accounts of the people who were involved. Those same oath keepers, proud boys, and regular trump supporters all believed they were going to take back the capitol because Trump said to. They presented this as evidence, they admitted to it. His own team was pushing back on the White House lawyers to pursue this. The media is garbage to make it seem that all of the people who attended were storming the capitol. Not all, but some did with plans that look to be coordinated by the president based on zero fucking evidence.
His AG said there was zero fraud, who is as fucking GOP as it gets (Reagan, Bush, Unitary Executive Theory), still said no fraud, no bullshit. Why do you believe anything different? Because the guy who knew he might lose said it was rigged. Sounds like you are stuck listening to the media.
So if Pence gets in the car, Grassley doesn't certify the election and the people who came armed were allowed in, is that not a fucking coup? The only thing that stopped that from happening were sane republicans/moderates who said no, the VP is going to certify and we should have this event use metal detectors. That's all before all hell was to break loose. His own Chief of Staff warned his own people about this days before.
The president wanted his supporters armed, why because "they aren't coming after me". Let me guess you don't believe the words of his own staff who was there?
You and your kind are EXACTLY why this country has turned into what it is. You shouldn't even be allowed to vote. Are you an adult? Or some 17 year old in your mom's basement eating cheetos and watching porn all day while living off the tax payers dime? I think the latter.
Purp...I dont even know if you even remember me anymore...But I got a chance to break bread with you and your family and share a beer or two as well. IT was a great time!
None of us is going to change each others minds or opinions. I just hope for the sake of our kids and country we can find some common ground and ways to broach our differences meaningfully.
There is plenty to be angry (and ashamed about) with both sides, both parties.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Zanary said:
@ AGRforever said:
Do you people constantly live in fear? Jesus, "to be working to murder Americans, nationwide"? What is your evidence of this? What has happened to "CHAZ"? Who controls the area now? US Marshals have arrested the CHAZ murder, justice will be served.
Stop fear mongering, it's not a debate position nor is anyone except your own echo chamber ever going to take you seriously. 5 blocks in Seattle for how long and somehow this is sweeping the country!
And then you have the police accountability report that came out stating the police used misinformation to spark a violence utilizing the "Proud Boys" as a tool. Ahh seems that it's not that simple and that most people, on both sides of this bullshit were complicit in their dishonesty and stupidity.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new...ion-finds/
You people need to get a fucking grip
I screwed up on Portland earlier. It was in Seattle. You can't think CHAZ was ok but Jan 6th was an atrocity without looking through some very very shaded political lenses.
Given that Portland has years of horrible riots and a downtown that's been a disaster for-seemingly-ever...you were understating things. But hey, it's been under democrat mayors for almost 3 solid decades...what leadership!
Yeah, 3 decades of leadership of growth for one of the fastest growing cities in America. how terrible
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2022/05/...0-to-2021/
wow, you got me and my point of the decades of leadership and growth. They lost 11,000 people, wow, must feel like a ghost town.
During that period that I was referencing which no one is debating, it gained 1.1 million people
1.1 million and extraordinary economic growth during that period, but sure let's just focus on your 11,000 strawmen
So...you're saying that the City of Portland, Oregon which had a population of 641,000 at the end of 2021 GAINED 1.1 million people in the three prior decades?????? Must be that new math.
Quote: @Skodin said:
Crime rates per 1,000 people via FBI statistics, not Bing. Portland comes in . . .
62# overall while being the 18th largest MSA in America
Behind liberal bastions like Tulsa, Wichita, Tucson, OK City, Dallas, Corpus Cristi, San Antonio, Omaha, Arlington, and Des Moines.
Again, the facts and your anecdotal world view don't match up to reality.
Sure Dems are shitty leaders and do a terrible job at times, but stop bringing a knife to a gun fight
Highest Murder Rates in the Country for 2022...not a lot of historically GOP leadership but why let facts get in your way....like talking about Georgia's crime rate and not acknowledge that you're really primarily talking about Atlanta's murder rate...which has had Democratic leadership forever. I have noticed the left talking about crime rates lately...and not murder rates. Why? It couldn't possibly be that if you have a liberal prosecutor that refuses to charge criminals and a defunded/understaffed police force that can't follow up on criminal reports....that a crime was never committed...could it?
Quote: @badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Zanary said:
@ AGRforever said:
Do you people constantly live in fear? Jesus, "to be working to murder Americans, nationwide"? What is your evidence of this? What has happened to "CHAZ"? Who controls the area now? US Marshals have arrested the CHAZ murder, justice will be served.
Stop fear mongering, it's not a debate position nor is anyone except your own echo chamber ever going to take you seriously. 5 blocks in Seattle for how long and somehow this is sweeping the country!
And then you have the police accountability report that came out stating the police used misinformation to spark a violence utilizing the "Proud Boys" as a tool. Ahh seems that it's not that simple and that most people, on both sides of this bullshit were complicit in their dishonesty and stupidity.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new...ion-finds/
You people need to get a fucking grip
I screwed up on Portland earlier. It was in Seattle. You can't think CHAZ was ok but Jan 6th was an atrocity without looking through some very very shaded political lenses.
Given that Portland has years of horrible riots and a downtown that's been a disaster for-seemingly-ever...you were understating things. But hey, it's been under democrat mayors for almost 3 solid decades...what leadership!
Yeah, 3 decades of leadership of growth for one of the fastest growing cities in America. how terrible
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2022/05/...0-to-2021/
wow, you got me and my point of the decades of leadership and growth. They lost 11,000 people, wow, must feel like a ghost town.
During that period that I was referencing which no one is debating, it gained 1.1 million people
1.1 million and extraordinary economic growth during that period, but sure let's just focus on your 11,000 strawmen
So...you're saying that the City of Portland, Oregon which had a population of 641,000 at the end of 2021 GAINED 1.1 million people in the three prior decades?????? Must be that new math.
Cities have MSA's. Those MSA's are centered around cities. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you. Good lord.
Quote: @Purplemachine said:
@ Skodin said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the fucking joke is the charade of a "hearing" or that those that have been detained have been denied due process. the use of the word "insurrection" being put on those that most ardently support the 2nd amendment, yet 99.95% of those there werent armed, they were supposedly going to try and over throw the govt and they didnt bother to take their guns or ammo? 4 months from mid term elections and they are just now conveniently getting around to holding hearings on this matter, meanwhile people that did real damage during the summer of 2020 riots go unpunished and some old people that peacfully followed a largely peaceful crowd are arrested and held without their due rights.... yes, this is a fucking joke.
Its sad that a few acted criminally, but the over statements made of the day by the media and ever since is ridiculous. There was no attempt to over throw the govt, if anything the evidence that it was partially orchestrated by nancy and the criminal left is what should be considered the fucking joke.
right or wrong there was enough smoke leading up to that day that something was amiss with the election results, we still hear of shit being uncovered or unexplained all the time, and those people wanted answers. some polls suggest that as much as 40% or more Americans question that results of that election... the one sided efforts the left are going to with the charade hearing will not change those peoples minds, and those from the swamp saying that the election was on the up are not reassuring anybody. think about it if the shoe was on the other foot, would you believe the results in light of all the irregularities?
Sure, because the President was saying the election was rigged months before it even happened (starting in August). What do you expect his people to think? If he never started that shit, it would have gone off like any other election. Without question.
Fuck what the media says, watch the hearings and the accounts of the people who were involved. Those same oath keepers, proud boys, and regular trump supporters all believed they were going to take back the capitol because Trump said to. They presented this as evidence, they admitted to it. His own team was pushing back on the White House lawyers to pursue this. The media is garbage to make it seem that all of the people who attended were storming the capitol. Not all, but some did with plans that look to be coordinated by the president based on zero fucking evidence.
His AG said there was zero fraud, who is as fucking GOP as it gets (Reagan, Bush, Unitary Executive Theory), still said no fraud, no bullshit. Why do you believe anything different? Because the guy who knew he might lose said it was rigged. Sounds like you are stuck listening to the media.
So if Pence gets in the car, Grassley doesn't certify the election and the people who came armed were allowed in, is that not a fucking coup? The only thing that stopped that from happening were sane republicans/moderates who said no, the VP is going to certify and we should have this event use metal detectors. That's all before all hell was to break loose. His own Chief of Staff warned his own people about this days before.
The president wanted his supporters armed, why because "they aren't coming after me". Let me guess you don't believe the words of his own staff who was there?
You and your kind are EXACTLY why this country has turned into what it is. You shouldn't even be allowed to vote. Are you an adult? Or some 17 year old in your mom's basement eating cheetos and watching porn all day while living off the tax payers dime? I think the latter.
Wtf.
Questioning if I'm an adult by giving a childish response that has not refuted any of the original points.
The advisory firm I run, which is only 8 people, generated over $4 million in revenue last year, with over a $1.5 million going back to the IRS in taxes. I also lead $70 million in foreign capital for US infrastructure investment, raising capital in the form of $17 million in tax equity. Our investments utilized over 80 employees through sub-contractors who were paid wages over 25% of the national average median income. The projects have paid and will pay communities for the next 25 years PILOTs that exceed the previous land use taxable income by 10X.
This year will be our biggest year as we are assisting deploying $150 million in infrastructure investments in the SW and upper Midwest (EV charging, AD systems, indoor CEA) as well as closing on a $350 million energy project that will employee over 50 former coal miners under a technical skills and trading program with the local colleges and the state. This project was featured in an international major news outlet at the beginning of the year.
What the fuck do you do again?
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Zanary said:
@ AGRforever said:
Do you people constantly live in fear? Jesus, "to be working to murder Americans, nationwide"? What is your evidence of this? What has happened to "CHAZ"? Who controls the area now? US Marshals have arrested the CHAZ murder, justice will be served.
Stop fear mongering, it's not a debate position nor is anyone except your own echo chamber ever going to take you seriously. 5 blocks in Seattle for how long and somehow this is sweeping the country!
And then you have the police accountability report that came out stating the police used misinformation to spark a violence utilizing the "Proud Boys" as a tool. Ahh seems that it's not that simple and that most people, on both sides of this bullshit were complicit in their dishonesty and stupidity.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new...ion-finds/
You people need to get a fucking grip
I screwed up on Portland earlier. It was in Seattle. You can't think CHAZ was ok but Jan 6th was an atrocity without looking through some very very shaded political lenses.
Given that Portland has years of horrible riots and a downtown that's been a disaster for-seemingly-ever...you were understating things. But hey, it's been under democrat mayors for almost 3 solid decades...what leadership!
Yeah, 3 decades of leadership of growth for one of the fastest growing cities in America. how terrible
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2022/05/...0-to-2021/
wow, you got me and my point of the decades of leadership and growth. They lost 11,000 people, wow, must feel like a ghost town.
During that period that I was referencing which no one is debating, it gained 1.1 million people
1.1 million and extraordinary economic growth during that period, but sure let's just focus on your 11,000 strawmen
So...you're saying that the City of Portland, Oregon which had a population of 641,000 at the end of 2021 GAINED 1.1 million people in the three prior decades?????? Must be that new math.
Cities have MSA's. Those MSA's are centered around cities. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you. Good lord.
I'm certain it means a ton to the remaining people trying to eke out a living in downtown, stepping on broken needles and hoping that no one has dropped a deuce on their business doorstep or broken their windows, again, overnight.
The above description isn't rare, or even odd, along the major cities of the West Coast over the last few years...and all under generations of dnc "leadership".
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ badgervike said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Zanary said:
@ AGRforever said:
Do you people constantly live in fear? Jesus, "to be working to murder Americans, nationwide"? What is your evidence of this? What has happened to "CHAZ"? Who controls the area now? US Marshals have arrested the CHAZ murder, justice will be served.
Stop fear mongering, it's not a debate position nor is anyone except your own echo chamber ever going to take you seriously. 5 blocks in Seattle for how long and somehow this is sweeping the country!
And then you have the police accountability report that came out stating the police used misinformation to spark a violence utilizing the "Proud Boys" as a tool. Ahh seems that it's not that simple and that most people, on both sides of this bullshit were complicit in their dishonesty and stupidity.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new...ion-finds/
You people need to get a fucking grip
I screwed up on Portland earlier. It was in Seattle. You can't think CHAZ was ok but Jan 6th was an atrocity without looking through some very very shaded political lenses.
Given that Portland has years of horrible riots and a downtown that's been a disaster for-seemingly-ever...you were understating things. But hey, it's been under democrat mayors for almost 3 solid decades...what leadership!
Yeah, 3 decades of leadership of growth for one of the fastest growing cities in America. how terrible
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2022/05/...0-to-2021/
wow, you got me and my point of the decades of leadership and growth. They lost 11,000 people, wow, must feel like a ghost town.
During that period that I was referencing which no one is debating, it gained 1.1 million people
1.1 million and extraordinary economic growth during that period, but sure let's just focus on your 11,000 strawmen
So...you're saying that the City of Portland, Oregon which had a population of 641,000 at the end of 2021 GAINED 1.1 million people in the three prior decades?????? Must be that new math.
Cities have MSA's. Those MSA's are centered around cities. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you. Good lord.
Oh....you don't have to explain it to me. I understood where the number came from but since we were talking about crime, riots and leadership (or lack thereof with Wheeler) in the City of Portland, I wondered why you switched to the Metropolitan area including tech heavy areas like Vancouver WA, Hillsboro, Beaverton, etc. in the discussion? Trying to normalize the data? Seems a little disingenuous to me.
Before you praise local leadership for the population increase...you may want to acknowledge the majority of that growth came from California refugees/transferees who were leaving for a better quality of life than that available in CA due to failed leadership....only to bring many of the same failures to Portland. I meant it when I said it...Portland really was a great place. I spent a lot of time there.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ Purplemachine said:
@ Skodin said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the fucking joke is the charade of a "hearing" or that those that have been detained have been denied due process. the use of the word "insurrection" being put on those that most ardently support the 2nd amendment, yet 99.95% of those there werent armed, they were supposedly going to try and over throw the govt and they didnt bother to take their guns or ammo? 4 months from mid term elections and they are just now conveniently getting around to holding hearings on this matter, meanwhile people that did real damage during the summer of 2020 riots go unpunished and some old people that peacfully followed a largely peaceful crowd are arrested and held without their due rights.... yes, this is a fucking joke.
Its sad that a few acted criminally, but the over statements made of the day by the media and ever since is ridiculous. There was no attempt to over throw the govt, if anything the evidence that it was partially orchestrated by nancy and the criminal left is what should be considered the fucking joke.
right or wrong there was enough smoke leading up to that day that something was amiss with the election results, we still hear of shit being uncovered or unexplained all the time, and those people wanted answers. some polls suggest that as much as 40% or more Americans question that results of that election... the one sided efforts the left are going to with the charade hearing will not change those peoples minds, and those from the swamp saying that the election was on the up are not reassuring anybody. think about it if the shoe was on the other foot, would you believe the results in light of all the irregularities?
Sure, because the President was saying the election was rigged months before it even happened (starting in August). What do you expect his people to think? If he never started that shit, it would have gone off like any other election. Without question.
Fuck what the media says, watch the hearings and the accounts of the people who were involved. Those same oath keepers, proud boys, and regular trump supporters all believed they were going to take back the capitol because Trump said to. They presented this as evidence, they admitted to it. His own team was pushing back on the White House lawyers to pursue this. The media is garbage to make it seem that all of the people who attended were storming the capitol. Not all, but some did with plans that look to be coordinated by the president based on zero fucking evidence.
His AG said there was zero fraud, who is as fucking GOP as it gets (Reagan, Bush, Unitary Executive Theory), still said no fraud, no bullshit. Why do you believe anything different? Because the guy who knew he might lose said it was rigged. Sounds like you are stuck listening to the media.
So if Pence gets in the car, Grassley doesn't certify the election and the people who came armed were allowed in, is that not a fucking coup? The only thing that stopped that from happening were sane republicans/moderates who said no, the VP is going to certify and we should have this event use metal detectors. That's all before all hell was to break loose. His own Chief of Staff warned his own people about this days before.
The president wanted his supporters armed, why because "they aren't coming after me". Let me guess you don't believe the words of his own staff who was there?
You and your kind are EXACTLY why this country has turned into what it is. You shouldn't even be allowed to vote. Are you an adult? Or some 17 year old in your mom's basement eating cheetos and watching porn all day while living off the tax payers dime? I think the latter.
Wtf.
Questioning if I'm an adult by giving a childish response that has not refuted any of the original points.
The advisory firm I run, which is only 8 people, generated over $4 million in revenue last year, with over a $1.5 million going back to the IRS in taxes. I also lead $70 million in foreign capital for US infrastructure investment, raising capital in the form of $17 million in tax equity. Our investments utilized over 80 employees through sub-contractors who were paid wages over 25% of the national average median income. The projects have paid and will pay communities for the next 25 years PILOTs that exceed the previous land use taxable income by 10X.
This year will be our biggest year as we are assisting deploying $150 million in infrastructure investments in the SW and upper Midwest (EV charging, AD systems, indoor CEA) as well as closing on a $350 million energy project that will employee over 50 former coal miners under a technical skills and trading program with the local colleges and the state. This project was featured in an international major news outlet at the beginning of the year.
What the fuck do you do again?
Well now we've got a good ol' dick measuring contest. Just so we have the rules clearly communicated, I have a couple questions:
Are we measuring from the base of the shaft or from the junction between the balls and shaft?
Is there a girth coefficient?
Flaccid or hard?
Are we utilizing standard measurements or can we skip to metric like Jimmy Carter should have done 40 years ago?
I won't even comment on who thinks that California is doing well.
DeSantis will run but won't say so right now so he can win the Governor election in November, and then will say he is running for Presidency after that, or he would lose his chance to win in 22. Trump will endorse DeSantis and most likely have some rallies for him.
There is no way he will run as a 3rd party. That whole post above was a complete clown show lol
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I won't even comment on who thinks that California is doing well.
DeSantis will run but won't say so right now so he can win the Governor election in November, and then will say he is running for Presidency after that, or he would lose his chance to win in 22. Trump will endorse DeSantis and most likely have some rallies for him.
There is no way he will run as a 3rd party. That whole post above was a complete clown show lol
Agree, I believe Desantis is our next president. There's no walking back how shitty Joe has been.
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