Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Florida’s red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people
Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.
In just the last two months, she has taken away the firearm privileges of dozens of people, including a dad accused of threatening to “shoot everyone” at his son’s school, a woman who police say attempted suicide and then accidentally shot her boyfriend during a struggle for her revolver, a husband who allegedly fired multiple rounds in the street to “blow off steam” after losing a family member, a bullied 13-year-old witnesses overheard saying, “If all of 8th grade is missing tomorrow you will know why,” and a mother arrested for brandishing a handgun at another mom after a school bus incident between their daughters.
This is Florida’s “red flag” law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator.
On Tuesday, Pomponio added another one to the list: A man accused of pointing two guns at his stepfather.
“He was enjoying the whole thing,” the stepfather told the courtroom. His stepson’s wife even filmed the encounter, he said. “He said he wanted to eff me up.” One of the guns was later found in the bed of the stepson’s 11-year-old brother, a sheriff’s deputy told the courtroom.
In the aftermath of recent massacres in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, those looking to change the country’s gun laws see in Florida a blueprint to move forward – not only because leaders moved to restrict firearms, but because it emerged out of a Republican stronghold unofficially known as the “Gunshine State.”
“The Florida law is a good law, and it’s a signal of what’s possible,” Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, one of the most vocal advocates in Congress for gun control, said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.
“I knew the time for thoughts and prayers, although necessary, was not enough,” said Bill Galvano, a Republican and the former state senator who sponsored the legislation.
Galvano told CNN he began drafting the bill at his kitchen table after a tour of the carnage in Parkland. He incorporated ideas he had picked up from interviewing teachers and staff at the school. He was intent on including some gun safety reforms and focused on what he thought could pass. He was still learning how red flag laws worked when it was added to the draft.
Looking at the data on the people who had guns taken away in Florida, Galvano says, “You have to believe that makes a difference.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/...index.html
Thumbs up.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Florida’s red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people
Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.
In just the last two months, she has taken away the firearm privileges of dozens of people, including a dad accused of threatening to “shoot everyone” at his son’s school, a woman who police say attempted suicide and then accidentally shot her boyfriend during a struggle for her revolver, a husband who allegedly fired multiple rounds in the street to “blow off steam” after losing a family member, a bullied 13-year-old witnesses overheard saying, “If all of 8th grade is missing tomorrow you will know why,” and a mother arrested for brandishing a handgun at another mom after a school bus incident between their daughters.
This is Florida’s “red flag” law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator.
On Tuesday, Pomponio added another one to the list: A man accused of pointing two guns at his stepfather.
“He was enjoying the whole thing,” the stepfather told the courtroom. His stepson’s wife even filmed the encounter, he said. “He said he wanted to eff me up.” One of the guns was later found in the bed of the stepson’s 11-year-old brother, a sheriff’s deputy told the courtroom.
In the aftermath of recent massacres in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, those looking to change the country’s gun laws see in Florida a blueprint to move forward – not only because leaders moved to restrict firearms, but because it emerged out of a Republican stronghold unofficially known as the “Gunshine State.”
“The Florida law is a good law, and it’s a signal of what’s possible,” Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, one of the most vocal advocates in Congress for gun control, said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.
“I knew the time for thoughts and prayers, although necessary, was not enough,” said Bill Galvano, a Republican and the former state senator who sponsored the legislation.
Galvano told CNN he began drafting the bill at his kitchen table after a tour of the carnage in Parkland. He incorporated ideas he had picked up from interviewing teachers and staff at the school. He was intent on including some gun safety reforms and focused on what he thought could pass. He was still learning how red flag laws worked when it was added to the draft.
Looking at the data on the people who had guns taken away in Florida, Galvano says, “You have to believe that makes a difference.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/...index.html
Trusting the politicians on who gets to own a gun, what could go wrong?
Id be ok with the FL law nationally if there was independent and on going monitoring of the program to make sure its not being abused by the .gov
Would the Uvalde perp have been red flagged using this procedure? Juvenile records tend to be tightly controlled, would that information be made available with red flag law? Could be game changer if applied evenly and fairly...
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
Would the Uvalde perp have been red flagged using this procedure? Juvenile records tend to be tightly controlled, would that information be made available with red flag law? Could be game changer if applied evenly and fairly...
It would be my guess that he would not have been flagged.
You could argue though, if we changed gun age from 18 to 21 like this FL does then that would have left 3 years for him to prove he was a douche bag.
The big problem with this law in stopping shootings would still be illegally obtained firearms.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Florida’s red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people
Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.
In just the last two months, she has taken away the firearm privileges of dozens of people, including a dad accused of threatening to “shoot everyone” at his son’s school, a woman who police say attempted suicide and then accidentally shot her boyfriend during a struggle for her revolver, a husband who allegedly fired multiple rounds in the street to “blow off steam” after losing a family member, a bullied 13-year-old witnesses overheard saying, “If all of 8th grade is missing tomorrow you will know why,” and a mother arrested for brandishing a handgun at another mom after a school bus incident between their daughters.
This is Florida’s “red flag” law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator.
On Tuesday, Pomponio added another one to the list: A man accused of pointing two guns at his stepfather.
“He was enjoying the whole thing,” the stepfather told the courtroom. His stepson’s wife even filmed the encounter, he said. “He said he wanted to eff me up.” One of the guns was later found in the bed of the stepson’s 11-year-old brother, a sheriff’s deputy told the courtroom.
In the aftermath of recent massacres in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, those looking to change the country’s gun laws see in Florida a blueprint to move forward – not only because leaders moved to restrict firearms, but because it emerged out of a Republican stronghold unofficially known as the “Gunshine State.”
“The Florida law is a good law, and it’s a signal of what’s possible,” Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, one of the most vocal advocates in Congress for gun control, said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.
“I knew the time for thoughts and prayers, although necessary, was not enough,” said Bill Galvano, a Republican and the former state senator who sponsored the legislation.
Galvano told CNN he began drafting the bill at his kitchen table after a tour of the carnage in Parkland. He incorporated ideas he had picked up from interviewing teachers and staff at the school. He was intent on including some gun safety reforms and focused on what he thought could pass. He was still learning how red flag laws worked when it was added to the draft.
Looking at the data on the people who had guns taken away in Florida, Galvano says, “You have to believe that makes a difference.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/...index.html
Trusting the politicians on who gets to own a gun, what could go wrong?
So what's your solution? What's the answer from the gun lobby on how we limit these massacres of children? Of innocent people? I'm not being antagonistic, I would like to know.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Florida’s red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people
Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.
In just the last two months, she has taken away the firearm privileges of dozens of people, including a dad accused of threatening to “shoot everyone” at his son’s school, a woman who police say attempted suicide and then accidentally shot her boyfriend during a struggle for her revolver, a husband who allegedly fired multiple rounds in the street to “blow off steam” after losing a family member, a bullied 13-year-old witnesses overheard saying, “If all of 8th grade is missing tomorrow you will know why,” and a mother arrested for brandishing a handgun at another mom after a school bus incident between their daughters.
This is Florida’s “red flag” law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator.
On Tuesday, Pomponio added another one to the list: A man accused of pointing two guns at his stepfather.
“He was enjoying the whole thing,” the stepfather told the courtroom. His stepson’s wife even filmed the encounter, he said. “He said he wanted to eff me up.” One of the guns was later found in the bed of the stepson’s 11-year-old brother, a sheriff’s deputy told the courtroom.
In the aftermath of recent massacres in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, those looking to change the country’s gun laws see in Florida a blueprint to move forward – not only because leaders moved to restrict firearms, but because it emerged out of a Republican stronghold unofficially known as the “Gunshine State.”
“The Florida law is a good law, and it’s a signal of what’s possible,” Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, one of the most vocal advocates in Congress for gun control, said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.
“I knew the time for thoughts and prayers, although necessary, was not enough,” said Bill Galvano, a Republican and the former state senator who sponsored the legislation.
Galvano told CNN he began drafting the bill at his kitchen table after a tour of the carnage in Parkland. He incorporated ideas he had picked up from interviewing teachers and staff at the school. He was intent on including some gun safety reforms and focused on what he thought could pass. He was still learning how red flag laws worked when it was added to the draft.
Looking at the data on the people who had guns taken away in Florida, Galvano says, “You have to believe that makes a difference.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/...index.html
Trusting the politicians on who gets to own a gun, what could go wrong?
So what's your solution? What's the answer from the gun lobby on how we limit these massacres of children? Of innocent people? I'm not being antagonistic, I would like to know.
All the laws already on the books didn't stop this tragedy. The militarized police didn't stop this tragedy. They have military type armor, weapons and training. Yet they failed to act? Why? Because of the human condition.
Guns didn't cause this tragedy. What did? The human condition. Evil. Good people not doing anything to stop this evil broken kid. All the signs were there. Laws are already in place. But nobody did anything to help him. His parents failed him. His community failed him. The education system failed him.
Gun laws won't stop evil. Guns in the hands of good people can limit tragedy. But the answer really is to prevent broken people. Our ideal solutions are probably different, but I would at least respect a politician if they addressed the issue.
Like I said above, our culture teaches these kids that life has no value. Why are we shocked when they act on that?
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Skodin said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Florida’s red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people
Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.
In just the last two months, she has taken away the firearm privileges of dozens of people, including a dad accused of threatening to “shoot everyone” at his son’s school, a woman who police say attempted suicide and then accidentally shot her boyfriend during a struggle for her revolver, a husband who allegedly fired multiple rounds in the street to “blow off steam” after losing a family member, a bullied 13-year-old witnesses overheard saying, “If all of 8th grade is missing tomorrow you will know why,” and a mother arrested for brandishing a handgun at another mom after a school bus incident between their daughters.
This is Florida’s “red flag” law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator.
On Tuesday, Pomponio added another one to the list: A man accused of pointing two guns at his stepfather.
“He was enjoying the whole thing,” the stepfather told the courtroom. His stepson’s wife even filmed the encounter, he said. “He said he wanted to eff me up.” One of the guns was later found in the bed of the stepson’s 11-year-old brother, a sheriff’s deputy told the courtroom.
In the aftermath of recent massacres in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, those looking to change the country’s gun laws see in Florida a blueprint to move forward – not only because leaders moved to restrict firearms, but because it emerged out of a Republican stronghold unofficially known as the “Gunshine State.”
“The Florida law is a good law, and it’s a signal of what’s possible,” Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, one of the most vocal advocates in Congress for gun control, said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.
“I knew the time for thoughts and prayers, although necessary, was not enough,” said Bill Galvano, a Republican and the former state senator who sponsored the legislation.
Galvano told CNN he began drafting the bill at his kitchen table after a tour of the carnage in Parkland. He incorporated ideas he had picked up from interviewing teachers and staff at the school. He was intent on including some gun safety reforms and focused on what he thought could pass. He was still learning how red flag laws worked when it was added to the draft.
Looking at the data on the people who had guns taken away in Florida, Galvano says, “You have to believe that makes a difference.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/...index.html
Trusting the politicians on who gets to own a gun, what could go wrong?
So what's your solution? What's the answer from the gun lobby on how we limit these massacres of children? Of innocent people? I'm not being antagonistic, I would like to know.
All the laws already on the books didn't stop this tragedy. The militarized police didn't stop this tragedy. They have military type armor, weapons and training. Yet they failed to act? Why? Because of the human condition.
Guns didn't cause this tragedy. What did? The human condition. Evil. Good people not doing anything to stop this evil broken kid. All the signs were there. Laws are already in place. But nobody did anything to help him. His parents failed him. His community failed him. The education system failed him.
Gun laws won't stop evil. Guns in the hands of good people can limit tragedy. But the answer really is to prevent broken people. Our ideal solutions are probably different, but I would at least respect a politician if they addressed the issue.
Like I said above, our culture teaches these kids that life has no value. Why are we shocked when they act on that?
for the most part I agree, but i dont know that we can prevent broken people, we certainly need to be doing more to prevent broken people, but that would take a societal change that I dont see happening without a divine lightning bolt to the senses of the masses. i think the best we can do is make it harder for the broken people to get their hands on the guns. IMO a bi-partisan board made up of representatives from the gun industry (dealers, instructors, etc) as well as others ( mental health professionals, law enforcement) should be setting the standards that the judges rulings are based and would act as a review board not only for the judges that could hear the cases, but also as the appeals board if an aggrieved feels the judge ruled unjustly.
of course, the mistrust of the gun grabbing crowd will make this a very hard sell to the American gun owners.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
All the laws already on the books didn't stop this tragedy. The militarized police didn't stop this tragedy. They have military type armor, weapons and training. Yet they failed to act? Why? Because of the human condition.
Guns didn't cause this tragedy. What did? The human condition. Evil. Good people not doing anything to stop this evil broken kid. All the signs were there. Laws are already in place. But nobody did anything to help him. His parents failed him. His community failed him. The education system failed him.
Gun laws won't stop evil. Guns in the hands of good people can limit tragedy. But the answer really is to prevent broken people. Our ideal solutions are probably different, but I would at least respect a politician if they addressed the issue.
Like I said above, our culture teaches these kids that life has no value. Why are we shocked when they act on that?
for the most part I agree, but i dont know that we can prevent broken people, we certainly need to be doing more to prevent broken people, but that would take a societal change that I dont see happening without a divine lightning bolt to the senses of the masses. i think the best we can do is make it harder for the broken people to get their hands on the guns. IMO a bi-partisan board made up of representatives from the gun industry (dealers, instructors, etc) as well as others ( mental health professionals, law enforcement) should be setting the standards that the judges rulings are based and would act as a review board not only for the judges that could hear the cases, but also as the appeals board if an aggrieved feels the judge ruled unjustly.
of course, the mistrust of the gun grabbing crowd will make this a very hard sell to the American gun owners.
First off, let me fix the blockquote issue.
Second, my point is, if we can't fix the broken people, we can't prevent them from killing people. Murder is already illegal. And it doesn't just happen with guns, that is just what the media is focused on right now. And most of the gun deaths aren't committed with legally obtained guns.
So it isn't just the mistrust of the politicians, it is the simple fact that gun laws don't prevent gun crime. Chicago is the prime example.
And Uvalde is as well. The only people that had guns there were the police and the criminal.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
All the laws already on the books didn't stop this tragedy. The militarized police didn't stop this tragedy. They have military type armor, weapons and training. Yet they failed to act? Why? Because of the human condition.
Guns didn't cause this tragedy. What did? The human condition. Evil. Good people not doing anything to stop this evil broken kid. All the signs were there. Laws are already in place. But nobody did anything to help him. His parents failed him. His community failed him. The education system failed him.
Gun laws won't stop evil. Guns in the hands of good people can limit tragedy. But the answer really is to prevent broken people. Our ideal solutions are probably different, but I would at least respect a politician if they addressed the issue.
Like I said above, our culture teaches these kids that life has no value. Why are we shocked when they act on that?
for the most part I agree, but i dont know that we can prevent broken people, we certainly need to be doing more to prevent broken people, but that would take a societal change that I dont see happening without a divine lightning bolt to the senses of the masses. i think the best we can do is make it harder for the broken people to get their hands on the guns. IMO a bi-partisan board made up of representatives from the gun industry (dealers, instructors, etc) as well as others ( mental health professionals, law enforcement) should be setting the standards that the judges rulings are based and would act as a review board not only for the judges that could hear the cases, but also as the appeals board if an aggrieved feels the judge ruled unjustly.
of course, the mistrust of the gun grabbing crowd will make this a very hard sell to the American gun owners.
First off, let me fix the blockquote issue.
Second, my point is, if we can't fix the broken people, we can't prevent them from killing people. Murder is already illegal. And it doesn't just happen with guns, that is just what the media is focused on right now. And most of the gun deaths aren't committed with legally obtained guns.
So it isn't just the mistrust of the politicians, it is the simple fact that gun laws don't prevent gun crime. Chicago is the prime example.
And Uvalde is as well. The only people that had guns there were the police and the criminal.
I agree, I have said as much in the past, before I would consider more gun laws I want the existing laws enforced. and yes illegal guns in the hands of career criminals kill the majority of the gun deaths, however, we have seen legally obtained guns used in these mass style shootings so if we can do something to take the guns out of the hands of the mentally ill then I am open to hearing ideas, but they better have limits to the scope and checks in place to protect the majority of gun owners rights or then I am out.
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