Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Let's just get back to moments of silence & thoughts and prayers.
We'll wait for the next one - cause there will be a next one. Sure as the sun sets in the West.
We gotta find a way to be able to discuss this across political divides. Its not just better mental health care for more or background chx to keep the wrong people from owning a fire-arm. ITs gotta be both.
How bout we ask a few questions?
The police exchanged fire with this kid outside the building. Somehow the kid got past the ARMED GUARD and LOCKED DOOR. Then the police waited for swat to show up before reengaging the shooter. The shooter by that time had locked himself in a classroom where he murdered the bulk of the kids. The cops needed a key to get into said classroom to kill him. The massacre took 40 minutes, start to finish.
How the fuck does the armed guard let a shooter in and not end up dead/shot himself?Why did the cops wait to enter the school until reinforcements arrived? We give them surplus tanks but they can't take on an 18 yr old?
Why did it take 40 minutes start to finish, when there was armed guard/police/board police there even before he got into the school?The cops don't have any trouble breaking down any other doors, wtf did they need to wait for a key for?
I'm sure there's tons more questions but it certainly sounds like we had some chickenshit guards/police who let this happen.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vikergirl said:
There are people flocking here for opportunities and there are people in the United States that are being denied access to opportunities. Both these things are true.
Is there no limit to what we should spend on social programs?
Someone, sometime is going to be denied access to something. We spend roughly 20% of our gdp which figures to about $4T annual on social programs. Heck that 4x the military lol.
It's not just about money, it is about access and opportunities. There is systemic racism in education, housing and healthcare. These issues need to be addressed. There are schools that get more money that others. There are people without healthcare. There is discrimination in housing. Rents are rising rapidly right now. All of these are having devastating effects on generations. This will continue to be an issue.
Yes yes. America is just full of a bunch of racists who all collectively hold monthly meetings to keep POC down.
Maybe those schools that get more money have more local taxes? Roughly 1/2 of a schools funding/budget comes from local taxes. I would think it would be logical to assume if the area has higher property taxes/sales tax ect....the schools gets more funding. Federal and state funding are very much trending in ways that benefit at risk kids and schools. I know people who sit on the county school board here and teachers within it. The extra funding hitting the impoverished schools is significant. At least here, its based on percentage of the school's map/poplulation that fall below the poverty line. After that its based on testing scores. There isn't a perfect system and never will be.
If in today's world you cannot get healthcare thats on you. We have a plethora of state programs. We have obamacare, medicare and medicaid as federal programs. Heck, you can make 400% of the poverty line here and still get fairly significant assistance. https://www.healthreformbeyondthebasics....alculator/
Rents are rising rapidly everywhere, not just in America. Have you talked to anyone from Canada recently about rent?
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.
quite the olive branch lol
Just sick of the hypocrisy. Either killing is wrong or it isn't. Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning? And why are we so surprised when they act on it?
Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.
Or that women should have bodily autonomy or be able to exercise their right to choose. There are people in power that do not want women to have ownership over their own bodies. They believe that the woman should not have all rights and protections under the law. And there are more laws being pushed supporting this.
The hypocrisy is that once there is actually a baby, all bets are off, pro-life is not an issue then. You want or need help with housing, education, healthcare or employment screw you. Another elementary school shooting and there is no action. There are states allowing the right to carry without a license or training. We are definitely going backwards.
You can't even say it's "pro-life", more "pro-birth" which screams nothing but selfishness. Get raped? You are having it. Have a birth control failure? You are having it. A risk of the mother's death? Guess what, you are having it.
Ok, now that you have had it, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and good luck. We aren't supporting the social net to keep that child out of a cyclone of despair which has an economic, crime, and health care costs. Fuck, there was major pushback on supporting legislation for baby formula. WTF America
It's hard to tell which way the politicians lean, are you for "economics" and a "safer America"? If so you should be reasonable with abortion laws.
America's politics are a dumpster fire, across the board.
You can feel it, a civil war / union split, a division is coming. People much smarter than you and I on this message board in the Canadian defense services are preparing plans for America's demise.
There is nothing to unite us, the media and politicians continue to divide us, the internet strips meaning and exacerbates echo chambers.
It's going to be a shit show for a long time here.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.
quite the olive branch lol
Just sick of the hypocrisy. Either killing is wrong or it isn't. Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning? And why are we so surprised when they act on it?
Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.
Or that women should have bodily autonomy or be able to exercise their right to choose. There are people in power that do not want women to have ownership over their own bodies. They believe that the woman should not have all rights and protections under the law. And there are more laws being pushed supporting this.
The hypocrisy is that once there is actually a baby, all bets are off, pro-life is not an issue then. You want or need help with housing, education, healthcare or employment screw you. Another elementary school shooting and there is no action. There are states allowing the right to carry without a license or training. We are definitely going backwards.
You can't even say it's "pro-life", more "pro-birth" which screams nothing but selfishness. Get raped? You are having it. Have a birth control failure? You are having it. A risk of the mother's death? Guess what, you are having it.
Ok, now that you have had it, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and good luck. We aren't supporting the social net to keep that child out of a cyclone of despair which has an economic, crime, and health care costs. Fuck, there was major pushback on supporting legislation for baby formula. WTF America
It's hard to tell which way the politicians lean, are you for "economics" and a "safer America"? If so you should be reasonable with abortion laws.
America's politics are a dumpster fire, across the board.
You can feel it, a civil war / union split, a division is coming. People much smarter than you and I on this message board in the Canadian defense services are preparing plans for America's demise.
There is nothing to unite us, the media and politicians continue to divide us, the internet strips meaning and exacerbates echo chambers.
It's going to be a shit show for a long time here.
Just so we're clear you'd like to kill babies in the name of "economics and safety"? Why stop at pre-birth? There's plenty of high crime districts where we could "abort" a bunch of post birth kids and lower crime and spending.
On baby formula, turn off MSNBC. Republicans and Democrats passed 414-9 a bill to purchase safe baby formula from Europe the very same day as your rant above. The vote that failed was one to give the FDA $28M more tax dollars without any strings. Nothing that said they needed to go towards getting the Abbott plant (the one with the bacterial problem) back up and running. Nothing that even addressed baby formula. Just a big bag of cash for the FDA to use on whatever they wanted.
The obvious answer for baby formula was to go purchase more from other countries that had extra and waive our FDA labeling requirements, (which is what was holding buying it up in the first place) especially when the EU's requirements were more stringent then our own.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.
quite the olive branch lol
Just sick of the hypocrisy. Either killing is wrong or it isn't. Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning? And why are we so surprised when they act on it?
Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.
Or that women should have bodily autonomy or be able to exercise their right to choose. There are people in power that do not want women to have ownership over their own bodies. They believe that the woman should not have all rights and protections under the law. And there are more laws being pushed supporting this.
The hypocrisy is that once there is actually a baby, all bets are off, pro-life is not an issue then. You want or need help with housing, education, healthcare or employment screw you. Another elementary school shooting and there is no action. There are states allowing the right to carry without a license or training. We are definitely going backwards.
You can't even say it's "pro-life", more "pro-birth" which screams nothing but selfishness. Get raped? You are having it. Have a birth control failure? You are having it. A risk of the mother's death? Guess what, you are having it.
Ok, now that you have had it, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and good luck. We aren't supporting the social net to keep that child out of a cyclone of despair which has an economic, crime, and health care costs. Fuck, there was major pushback on supporting legislation for baby formula. WTF America
It's hard to tell which way the politicians lean, are you for "economics" and a "safer America"? If so you should be reasonable with abortion laws.
America's politics are a dumpster fire, across the board.
You can feel it, a civil war / union split, a division is coming. People much smarter than you and I on this message board in the Canadian defense services are preparing plans for America's demise.
There is nothing to unite us, the media and politicians continue to divide us, the internet strips meaning and exacerbates echo chambers.
It's going to be a shit show for a long time here.
OK, come to the table, I will concede abortion in cases of forced rape or incest, and when there are medical concerns for the mothers health, if you are willing to make abortions illegal simply for ending inconvenient consequences as a result of a poor decision or failure of contraceptive. Can we meet in the middle on this?
as fare as a civil war or other realignment of our country... I have to agree, I think its quickly coming to that and I honestly think its by design. it will be much easier for foreign interests to increase their control over the US if we become multiple smaller pieces with limited "national" resources at any one pieces disposal.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Let's just get back to moments of silence & thoughts and prayers.
We'll wait for the next one - cause there will be a next one. Sure as the sun sets in the West.
We gotta find a way to be able to discuss this across political divides. Its not just better mental health care for more or background chx to keep the wrong people from owning a fire-arm. ITs gotta be both.
How bout we ask a few questions?
The police exchanged fire with this kid outside the building. Somehow the kid got past the ARMED GUARD and LOCKED DOOR. Then the police waited for swat to show up before reengaging the shooter. The shooter by that time had locked himself in a classroom where he murdered the bulk of the kids. The cops needed a key to get into said classroom to kill him. The massacre took 40 minutes, start to finish.
How the fuck does the armed guard let a shooter in and not end up dead/shot himself?Why did the cops wait to enter the school until reinforcements arrived? We give them surplus tanks but they can't take on an 18 yr old?
Why did it take 40 minutes start to finish, when there was armed guard/police/board police there even before he got into the school?The cops don't have any trouble breaking down any other doors, wtf did they need to wait for a key for?
I'm sure there's tons more questions but it certainly sounds like we had some chickenshit guards/police who let this happen.
Seeing some disturbing videos of the police taking down parents while letting the killer keep on killing.
Definitely needs to be part of the discussion. Instead of taking away guns from law abiding citizens, and only leaving the police with weapons.
Quote: @greediron said:
I have to think...not many. especially when this is being delivered to hospitals and pharmacies, and not to retail sites, of course i am sure if it hit retail sources it would be hoarded anyway so....
I know this wouldnt work for all situations, but when I read that it was going to hospitals my first thought was dont these women have breasts? in most instances mothers are provided naturally with everything that baby needs to survive for a long time.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.
quite the olive branch lol
Just sick of the hypocrisy. Either killing is wrong or it isn't. Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning? And why are we so surprised when they act on it?
Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.
Or that women should have bodily autonomy or be able to exercise their right to choose. There are people in power that do not want women to have ownership over their own bodies. They believe that the woman should not have all rights and protections under the law. And there are more laws being pushed supporting this.
The hypocrisy is that once there is actually a baby, all bets are off, pro-life is not an issue then. You want or need help with housing, education, healthcare or employment screw you. Another elementary school shooting and there is no action. There are states allowing the right to carry without a license or training. We are definitely going backwards.
That is such a red herring. Ownership over their bodies? Give me a break. The baby isn't their body, it is the baby's body.
And pro-life people are more generous than their pro-abortion counterparts. They just give their own money instead us using the gov't to take yours and spend it on bureaucracy.
As for right to carry without license or training? You think this murder gave a damn about a license? And how would training help save lives there?
So many red herrings we need a bigger boat.
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