OT 2021 Mass Shooters

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@StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?

Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....

But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?

Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....

But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots. 

I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution?  Maybe I missed that part?

The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply. 

Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins. 

Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them.  What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.  

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@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?

Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....

But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots. 

I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution?  Maybe I missed that part?

The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply. 

Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins. 

Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them.  What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.  

I think what you did is fine. One question though: how did you conceal your AR-15? Regarding the constitution, I think this description is spot on, but I'm sure you've seen it before and disagree with it. Lather, rinse, repeat.....

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@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?

Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....

But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots. 

I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution?  Maybe I missed that part?

The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply. 

Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins. 

Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them.  What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.  

I think what you did is fine. One question though: how did you conceal your AR-15? Regarding the constitution, I think this description is spot on, but I'm sure you've seen it before and disagree with it. Lather, rinse, repeat.....

I don't own an AR15.  I do own a ranch riffle that is quite similar in mechanics.  True story, it has existed for some 20 years and never even though about shooting up a school.   It honestly doesn't get used much because its limited for longer range shots.  Coyotes being the main target.  The problem with outright banning AR15s is that the features of the gun carry over to nearly every firearm on the planet.  I've seen estimates of +75% of all firearms in the USA being semiautomatic.  Semiautomatic seems to be the scariest feature no?  The only firearm I own that isn't semiautomatic is a pump action shot gun. 

Word for word here is the 2nd amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
I'm no legal scholar but that's pretty cut and dry plain English if you ask me. 

Here's the definition of militia:

1. a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

   "creating a militia was no answer to the army's manpower problem"

   • a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
   • all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.

I'm not sure how you do bullet point 1 or 2 if you don't have private access firearms in the hands of ordinary citizens. 

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Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.  

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The generation that escaped the wombs as their parents slaughtered their siblings have learned a terrible lesson, that life is worthless.  

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@greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.  

quite the olive branch lol

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@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.  

quite the olive branch lol

Just sick of the hypocrisy.  Either killing is wrong or it isn't.  Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning?  And why are we so surprised when they act on it?

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@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?

Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....

But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots. 

I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution?  Maybe I missed that part?

The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply. 

Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins. 

Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them.  What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.  

I think what you did is fine. One question though: how did you conceal your AR-15? Regarding the constitution, I think this description is spot on, but I'm sure you've seen it before and disagree with it. Lather, rinse, repeat.....

I don't own an AR15.  I do own a ranch riffle that is quite similar in mechanics.  True story, it has existed for some 20 years and never even though about shooting up a school.   It honestly doesn't get used much because its limited for longer range shots.  Coyotes being the main target.  The problem with outright banning AR15s is that the features of the gun carry over to nearly every firearm on the planet.  I've seen estimates of +75% of all firearms in the USA being semiautomatic.  Semiautomatic seems to be the scariest feature no?  The only firearm I own that isn't semiautomatic is a pump action shot gun. 

Word for word here is the 2nd amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
I'm no legal scholar but that's pretty cut and dry plain English if you ask me. 

Here's the definition of militia:

1. a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

   "creating a militia was no answer to the army's manpower problem"

   • a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
   • all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.

I'm not sure how you do bullet point 1 or 2 if you don't have private access firearms in the hands of ordinary citizens. 

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.  

quite the olive branch lol

Just sick of the hypocrisy.  Either killing is wrong or it isn't.  Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning?  And why are we so surprised when they act on it?

Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.