Top 100 picks in upcoming draft

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@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

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@Skodin said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

That would be a huge run on WR's. I think it's a very good group but would be surprised to see that many go off the board in the top 20 picks. I think the Packers are playing it smart, wait until the draft and see how that plays out. They can always come back and try to sign an OBJ or Julio Jones afterwards. Nobody is knocking any doors down to sign those guys. I still
 contend that while losing Adams individually is almost impossible to replace, they might end up with a better overall collective group of receiving targets when all is said and done. 

I'd love to see how they will do this since they have also lost St Brown and Scantling.  So you lose your #1 WR (and a top 3# WR in the game), your #3 and #4 and somehow you are going to get better next year?  

Good luck with that

Well that's only if you consider St Brown and Scantling to be any good or losses for that matter. I'm thinking their combined 35 catches for 528 yards and 3 TD's from last season are replaceable. KJ Osborn doubled their combined production as our 3rd WR last year, so I think the Packers are going to upgrade those roster spots at receiver.

Right, but use the same lens of scrutiny on other teams that you do with the Vikings.

For example, what would you be saying right now if the Vikings lost Jefferson, Osborne and Marsette. Would you be saying that the Vikings might end up with a better overall group? Somehow I don't think so. 

I would not be concerned with losing Osborne or Marsette if all this hypothetical is based on is last years production. It would suck losing Jefferson but if we had four of the top 49 picks in this draft (like they do), in a WR heavy draft, then I'd say it certainly would have the potential to soften that blow. Say they come out of the draft with Olave and Jameson Williams or Treyvon Burks, and sign Julio Jones, OBJ, or Will Fuller after the draft? I would say that's a better collective group of receivers then simply Adams and the scrubs they've been putting out there with him. It's why Rodgers has been so pissed these last few years. 

Definitely possible, but at 33 Julio Jones is probably done. More than any other position, WRs fall off a cliff at a certain point. Remember Randy. He went from unstoppable to unplayable in what seemed like one year. Jones might already be over it considering how many games he's missed the last two years. 

As far as the draft goes, they'll almost certainly draft one high. But rookies like Chase and JJ are the exception. Unless they get lucky, It will be a few years before they can expect anything approaching Adams' level of play. 

Agree with you that Jones is probably done, but Will Fuller would give them a young speed element they haven't really had and OBJ would be a wild card. 

Injury is the only thing that ever really seems to derail the Packers. They get their two best offensive lineman back, Tonyan at TE, plus whatever they parlay these draft picks into. I still contend that even with losing Adams, their offense is going to be better unit then last season.

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@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@Skodin said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

That would be a huge run on WR's. I think it's a very good group but would be surprised to see that many go off the board in the top 20 picks. I think the Packers are playing it smart, wait until the draft and see how that plays out. They can always come back and try to sign an OBJ or Julio Jones afterwards. Nobody is knocking any doors down to sign those guys. I still
 contend that while losing Adams individually is almost impossible to replace, they might end up with a better overall collective group of receiving targets when all is said and done. 

I'd love to see how they will do this since they have also lost St Brown and Scantling.  So you lose your #1 WR (and a top 3# WR in the game), your #3 and #4 and somehow you are going to get better next year?  

Good luck with that

Well that's only if you consider St Brown and Scantling to be any good or losses for that matter. I'm thinking their combined 35 catches for 528 yards and 3 TD's from last season are replaceable. KJ Osborn doubled their combined production as our 3rd WR last year, so I think the Packers are going to upgrade those roster spots at receiver.

Right, but use the same lens of scrutiny on other teams that you do with the Vikings.

For example, what would you be saying right now if the Vikings lost Jefferson, Osborne and Marsette. Would you be saying that the Vikings might end up with a better overall group? Somehow I don't think so. 

I would not be concerned with losing Osborne or Marsette if all this hypothetical is based on is last years production. It would suck losing Jefferson but if we had four of the top 49 picks in this draft (like they do), in a WR heavy draft, then I'd say it certainly would have the potential to soften that blow. Say they come out of the draft with Olave and Jameson Williams or Treyvon Burks, and sign Julio Jones, OBJ, or Will Fuller after the draft? I would say that's a better collective group of receivers then simply Adams and the scrubs they've been putting out there with him. It's why Rodgers has been so pissed these last few years. 

Definitely possible, but at 33 Julio Jones is probably done. More than any other position, WRs fall off a cliff at a certain point. Remember Randy. He went from unstoppable to unplayable in what seemed like one year. Jones might already be over it considering how many games he's missed the last two years. 

As far as the draft goes, they'll almost certainly draft one high. But rookies like Chase and JJ are the exception. Unless they get lucky, It will be a few years before they can expect anything approaching Adams' level of play. 

Agree with you that Jones is probably done, but Will Fuller would give them a young speed element they haven't really had and OBJ would be a wild card. 

Injury is the only thing that ever really seems to derail the Packers. They get their two best offensive lineman back, Tonyan at TE, plus whatever they parlay these draft picks into. I still contend that even with losing Adams, their offense is going to be better unit then last season.

Rogers will be 39 by the time the season ends. One of these years, his production will start to decline. Could very well be this season.

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@Knucklehead said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@Skodin said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

That would be a huge run on WR's. I think it's a very good group but would be surprised to see that many go off the board in the top 20 picks. I think the Packers are playing it smart, wait until the draft and see how that plays out. They can always come back and try to sign an OBJ or Julio Jones afterwards. Nobody is knocking any doors down to sign those guys. I still
 contend that while losing Adams individually is almost impossible to replace, they might end up with a better overall collective group of receiving targets when all is said and done. 

I'd love to see how they will do this since they have also lost St Brown and Scantling.  So you lose your #1 WR (and a top 3# WR in the game), your #3 and #4 and somehow you are going to get better next year?  

Good luck with that

Well that's only if you consider St Brown and Scantling to be any good or losses for that matter. I'm thinking their combined 35 catches for 528 yards and 3 TD's from last season are replaceable. KJ Osborn doubled their combined production as our 3rd WR last year, so I think the Packers are going to upgrade those roster spots at receiver.

Right, but use the same lens of scrutiny on other teams that you do with the Vikings.

For example, what would you be saying right now if the Vikings lost Jefferson, Osborne and Marsette. Would you be saying that the Vikings might end up with a better overall group? Somehow I don't think so. 

I would not be concerned with losing Osborne or Marsette if all this hypothetical is based on is last years production. It would suck losing Jefferson but if we had four of the top 49 picks in this draft (like they do), in a WR heavy draft, then I'd say it certainly would have the potential to soften that blow. Say they come out of the draft with Olave and Jameson Williams or Treyvon Burks, and sign Julio Jones, OBJ, or Will Fuller after the draft? I would say that's a better collective group of receivers then simply Adams and the scrubs they've been putting out there with him. It's why Rodgers has been so pissed these last few years. 

Definitely possible, but at 33 Julio Jones is probably done. More than any other position, WRs fall off a cliff at a certain point. Remember Randy. He went from unstoppable to unplayable in what seemed like one year. Jones might already be over it considering how many games he's missed the last two years. 

As far as the draft goes, they'll almost certainly draft one high. But rookies like Chase and JJ are the exception. Unless they get lucky, It will be a few years before they can expect anything approaching Adams' level of play. 

Agree with you that Jones is probably done, but Will Fuller would give them a young speed element they haven't really had and OBJ would be a wild card. 

Injury is the only thing that ever really seems to derail the Packers. They get their two best offensive lineman back, Tonyan at TE, plus whatever they parlay these draft picks into. I still contend that even with losing Adams, their offense is going to be better unit then last season.

Rogers will be 39 by the time the season ends. One of these years, his production will start to decline. Could very well be this season.

Unless he takes after the GOAT....They're both HOF'ers and may share that longevity gene too. 

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@purplefaithful said:

@Knucklehead said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@Skodin said:

@supafreak84 said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

That would be a huge run on WR's. I think it's a very good group but would be surprised to see that many go off the board in the top 20 picks. I think the Packers are playing it smart, wait until the draft and see how that plays out. They can always come back and try to sign an OBJ or Julio Jones afterwards. Nobody is knocking any doors down to sign those guys. I still
 contend that while losing Adams individually is almost impossible to replace, they might end up with a better overall collective group of receiving targets when all is said and done. 

I'd love to see how they will do this since they have also lost St Brown and Scantling.  So you lose your #1 WR (and a top 3# WR in the game), your #3 and #4 and somehow you are going to get better next year?  

Good luck with that

Well that's only if you consider St Brown and Scantling to be any good or losses for that matter. I'm thinking their combined 35 catches for 528 yards and 3 TD's from last season are replaceable. KJ Osborn doubled their combined production as our 3rd WR last year, so I think the Packers are going to upgrade those roster spots at receiver.

Right, but use the same lens of scrutiny on other teams that you do with the Vikings.

For example, what would you be saying right now if the Vikings lost Jefferson, Osborne and Marsette. Would you be saying that the Vikings might end up with a better overall group? Somehow I don't think so. 

I would not be concerned with losing Osborne or Marsette if all this hypothetical is based on is last years production. It would suck losing Jefferson but if we had four of the top 49 picks in this draft (like they do), in a WR heavy draft, then I'd say it certainly would have the potential to soften that blow. Say they come out of the draft with Olave and Jameson Williams or Treyvon Burks, and sign Julio Jones, OBJ, or Will Fuller after the draft? I would say that's a better collective group of receivers then simply Adams and the scrubs they've been putting out there with him. It's why Rodgers has been so pissed these last few years. 

Definitely possible, but at 33 Julio Jones is probably done. More than any other position, WRs fall off a cliff at a certain point. Remember Randy. He went from unstoppable to unplayable in what seemed like one year. Jones might already be over it considering how many games he's missed the last two years. 

As far as the draft goes, they'll almost certainly draft one high. But rookies like Chase and JJ are the exception. Unless they get lucky, It will be a few years before they can expect anything approaching Adams' level of play. 

Agree with you that Jones is probably done, but Will Fuller would give them a young speed element they haven't really had and OBJ would be a wild card. 

Injury is the only thing that ever really seems to derail the Packers. They get their two best offensive lineman back, Tonyan at TE, plus whatever they parlay these draft picks into. I still contend that even with losing Adams, their offense is going to be better unit then last season.

Rogers will be 39 by the time the season ends. One of these years, his production will start to decline. Could very well be this season.

Unless he takes after the GOAT....They're both HOF'ers and may share that longevity gene too. 

It's the avacado ice cream. Rogers doesn't partake as far as I know. =)

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Minnesota Vikings (8 picks)Round 1: No. 12
Round 2: No. 46
Round 3: No. 77


Looking at PFF (wait for it....PFF sucks, what do they know etc.) here is where their is depth in this draft:
14 DE's in the Top 80
13 WR's in the Top 80
10 CB's in the Top 80
10 LB'ers in the Top 80
4 S & DL,   3 Guards, and 1 TE


New 3-4 Defense needs:
Our current depth chart (I think) has Twyman as our starting RDE in the 3-4.  Usually, in the 3-4 your DE's have some bulk and there are 2 bigger DE's in the Top 12 range that fit that profile:
Karlaftis - 6'4 275lbs  and   T. Walker 6'5 275lbs
Then we have Hunter and Smith as the OLB (both with recent injury history) and Kendricks and J Hicks.  We could use some depth at the LB'er position as well.  Now the Top LB'ers are in the high teens but we can target a LB with our 46th pick.  
Of course, can never have enough CB's and our depth is shallow.  Would love Sauce but he is likely going well before 4-8 and I don't love him enough to move up that far.  Maybe if he drops past 8??  Stingley is too much of a risk for me even if we sit tight at 12 but it depends on who else is there of course.  
We maybe in a position to trade down and pick up another pick or two?
I hope we nail it with an immediate starter like Darrisaw was last year once healthy.  We aren't even discussing T's for once in about 10 years or more! Now the interior OL
 

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@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder. 

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@Canthony said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder. 

Stats won't show how good of a receiver he really was at Georgia. His antics on the other hand, make him a pass for me

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@Hawkvike25 said:

@Canthony said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder. 

Stats won't show how good of a receiver he really was at Georgia. His antics on the other hand, make him a pass for me

You are right about the stats not telling the story. He is talented as they come 

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@Canthony said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder. 

In terms of value, my favorite receiver in the draft. After Jameson Williams, I think he has the most raw talent in this group. It jumps off the screen. And you'll be able to get him in the 2nd round because of the injury. If we trade down in the 1st, I like Pickens with the extra 2nd. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@Canthony said:

@MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency. 

What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder. 

In terms of value, my favorite receiver in the draft. After Jameson Williams, I think he has the most raw talent in this group. It jumps off the screen. And you'll be able to get him in the 2nd round because of the injury. If we trade down in the 1st, I like Pickens with the extra 2nd. 

His talent is undeniable. He has somewhat of an attitude problem it seems on the field, but I like that in him. I like that he has fire. He still ran a 4.45 I believe after his ACL as well. Jameson is my number one WR as well. Dudes a freak.