The case for WR in the first...

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@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:
I think I heard somebody earlier today say that 8 of the top 12 teams have a big need at CB, kinda helps narrow the options right there.

I've accepted that neither Sauce or Stingley will be available when we pick.

I am kinda hoping for the Davis at this point.

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@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:
I think I heard somebody earlier today say that 8 of the top 12 teams have a big need at CB, kinda helps narrow the options right there.

I've accepted that neither Sauce or Stingley will be available when we pick.

Sauce is 100% gone before our pick in my mind. Stingley...I could see a team before us being worried about his health which causes them to pick a different one like McDuffie or Booth

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@Hawkvike25 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:
I think I heard somebody earlier today say that 8 of the top 12 teams have a big need at CB, kinda helps narrow the options right there.

I've accepted that neither Sauce or Stingley will be available when we pick.

Sauce is 100% gone before our pick in my mind. Stingley...I could see a team before us being worried about his health which causes them to pick a different one like McDuffie or Booth

and then I see some other team, knowing the Vikings are likely in on Sauce or Stingley,  jumping ahead of us for Stingley if he fell.  I just dont see the top 2 corners being in play at 12.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@Hawkvike25 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:
I think I heard somebody earlier today say that 8 of the top 12 teams have a big need at CB, kinda helps narrow the options right there.

I've accepted that neither Sauce or Stingley will be available when we pick.

Sauce is 100% gone before our pick in my mind. Stingley...I could see a team before us being worried about his health which causes them to pick a different one like McDuffie or Booth

and then I see some other team, knowing the Vikings are likely in on Sauce or Stingley,  jumping ahead of us for Stingley if he fell.  I just dont see the top 2 corners being in play at 12.

Agreed....Sauce should be the first corner. Stingley may go first or second for the position depending on Medical...Only way I see him in a Vikings uniform is if there are still questions on him. In which case we could pass too. 

Then its just a matter of availability and ranking of remaining DL.

Only way I see em going S at 12 is if there is a precipitous drop out of top 10 for Hamilton. I just dont see him getting past the Gmen. 

Be interesting to see what they do if London or Wilson is still sitting there. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@Hawkvike25 said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:
I think I heard somebody earlier today say that 8 of the top 12 teams have a big need at CB, kinda helps narrow the options right there.

I've accepted that neither Sauce or Stingley will be available when we pick.

Sauce is 100% gone before our pick in my mind. Stingley...I could see a team before us being worried about his health which causes them to pick a different one like McDuffie or Booth

and then I see some other team, knowing the Vikings are likely in on Sauce or Stingley,  jumping ahead of us for Stingley if he fell.  I just dont see the top 2 corners being in play at 12.

Certainly could happen, but when is the last time a team traded up that early to draft a corner? I'll bet it has been quite some time

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We should learn a lot more about Stingley at his pro day this week.  I suspect he will knock it out of the park and run in the 4.3s. If his medicals clear and he does not come off as a head case in his interviews, he likely will be gone by the time we pick.
I like McDuffie a lot. The guy is an excellent college CB. But will he be exposed because of his size (short arms) at the next level?  Also, it's a bit underwhelming to know you got the third best player at his position when picking 12th. 
Unfortunately, I think Wilson will be gone. Hopefully, Olave or Williams is available. Then get a CB in the second.

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I struggle with the idea of drafting a 3rd or
even 4th WR in the first who is probably going to contribute 400
yards a season the next couple of seasons when we have so much need elsewhere.


If you have access to a guy who is clearly heads and
shoulders above all the other talent available, sure you should take him, but
at that point you’re probably just pushing Thielen off the team in a year and
ending up with similar production.  We’re
starting 2 OLBs that are coming off injury plagued seasons.  How many of our secondary is starting caliber?  How confident do we feel that scheme/coaching
is going to make the OLine less of a weakness? 
I think everyone else assumes Smith Jr. is going to take the starting
spot and running with it.  I’m less
confident on that.

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@JimmyinSD said:

I am kinda hoping for the Davis at this point.

Only if you think he can be a really good interior pass rusher.  If it's just as a run stopper, I don't think he is worth a 12. Get Noah Elliss with one of our 3 6th-round picks.

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@medaille said:
I struggle with the idea of drafting a 3rd or
even 4th WR in the first who is probably going to contribute 400
yards a season the next couple of seasons when we have so much need elsewhere.


If you have access to a guy who is clearly heads and
shoulders above all the other talent available, sure you should take him, but
at that point you’re probably just pushing Thielen off the team in a year and
ending up with similar production.  We’re
starting 2 OLBs that are coming off injury plagued seasons.  How many of our secondary is starting caliber?  How confident do we feel that scheme/coaching
is going to make the OLine less of a weakness? 
I think everyone else assumes Smith Jr. is going to take the starting
spot and running with it.  I’m less
confident on that.

Valid points. But the WRs I'm thinking of have the capacity for a lot more than 400 yards even as a rookie.  I think Jefferson and Chase have changed the thinking on rookie WRs. (Remember, even Jefferson did not start from day 1. Neither did Moss.) And this is likely the end of the road for Thielen in Minnesota. And we are taking a QB in the first next draft.

I think our moves in FA have freed us up to take a WR at 12. We have needs, but are not desperate, at CB, IOL, and Edge. Why? Because we have signed FAs at CB, IOL, and Edge. Also, we still don't know what we have in Wyatt Davis (can he play Center?) and D. Robinson.  If Hutch or Thibodeaux fall to 12, then sure, take them. But they won't. Realistically, if we lost Smith and Hunter, we are screwed anyway.  

For me it is WR and CB or CB and WR in the first 2 rounds. If the guys you look are not there (Sauce, Stingley, Wilson, Olave, and Williams are all gone) did someone unexpectedly fall to 12 (Hamilton)?  Otherwise try to trade back. After that, I'm fine with BPA. 

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I can only imagine the arguments against drafting a WR in 1998.  We already had Carter and Reed and some other scrubs he had the "p" word (potential).

All it will take is another injury to Thielen and we will be very thin, JJ will get doubled, and others will be exposed.

That translates to the QB having a hard time and all the criticism will follow.

This team is closer to having a great offense that an average defense.

Make the offense explosive and able to get leads in games more often than not.

That just might make the defenses job easier.

I am not pigeonholing myself into the notion that the team needs to get a CB in the first or second round.  I expect the team probably will and wont be disappointed but if they did go WR it would not upset me.

I like some other corners like Alontae Taylor, Damarri Mathis, and others that probably can be had later.