Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit.
oh fuck off, I didnt say a fucking thing about pro russia, or anti ukraine, well I will say that the ukrainian govt isnt a bunch of choir boys themselves, they are all self serving crooked fucks, just like most American politicians.
you really need a new card, because labeling anybody who doesnt eat the same shit burgers you chow down on as crazy, racist, or whatever your ilk are told to say that week is really getting beyond old and beyond effective.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit.
oh fuck off, I didnt say a fucking thing about pro russia, or anti ukraine, well I will say that the ukrainian govt isnt a bunch of choir boys themselves, they are all self serving crooked fucks, just like most American politicians.
you really need a new card, because labeling anybody who doesnt eat the same shit burgers you chow down on as crazy, racist, or whatever your ilk are told to say that week is really getting beyond old and beyond effective.
Calm down, Paisan. Jesus.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
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Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
So for me this is super easy. There is one country with bombed out apartments and hospitals. One country with civilians dying by the 1000s. One country with millions of refugees fleeing.
To me its not hard to figure out who the offending country is.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
So for me this is super easy. There is one country with bombed out apartments and hospitals. One country with civilians dying by the 1000s. One country with millions of refugees fleeing.
To me its not hard to figure out who the offending country is.
I said I wasnt defending putins actions. but sometimes there isnt really a "victim", of course there are always innocent people in war that suffer, but is the Ukrainian govt really the victim here? I dont know, I know that I have read over the years that they are about as nasty a group as putins organization when it comes to how they run their countries and deal with opposition. yes the innocent civilians are victims and Putins actions are shitty, but is there more to the story than just a crazy old commie trying to get the band back together?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
So for me this is super easy. There is one country with bombed out apartments and hospitals. One country with civilians dying by the 1000s. One country with millions of refugees fleeing.
To me its not hard to figure out who the offending country is.
I said I wasnt defending putins actions. but sometimes there isnt really a "victim", of course there are always innocent people in war that suffer, but is the Ukrainian govt really the victim here? I dont know, I know that I have read over the years that they are about as nasty a group as putins organization when it comes to how they run their countries and deal with opposition. yes the innocent civilians are victims and Putins actions are shitty, but is there more to the story than just a crazy old commie trying to get the band back together?
But what story would it be?? And if its something other than a 'crazy old commie trying to get the band back together' (which I don't know where you are getting that from) what would it matter? 'More to the story' would allude that there's some legit reason for it...there is no legit reason, just power hungry and nuts. There isn't really 'a victim' here??
You're digging yourself a hole here, man.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.
Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.
Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement?
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?
What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.
Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???
Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.
We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses. A-FRICKING-MEN.
DISAGREE!
AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM!
We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way. A MONTH AGO.
We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!
You lily-livered peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience.
Whatta buncha pukes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
They volunteered to defend this country, not the world.
NO!!!! They volunteered to defend the US Constitution. ( I know, I did it)
Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.
About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA, but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.
Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway??
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
So for me this is super easy. There is one country with bombed out apartments and hospitals. One country with civilians dying by the 1000s. One country with millions of refugees fleeing.
To me its not hard to figure out who the offending country is.
I said I wasnt defending putins actions. but sometimes there isnt really a "victim", of course there are always innocent people in war that suffer, but is the Ukrainian govt really the victim here? I dont know, I know that I have read over the years that they are about as nasty a group as putins organization when it comes to how they run their countries and deal with opposition. yes the innocent civilians are victims and Putins actions are shitty, but is there more to the story than just a crazy old commie trying to get the band back together?
But what story would it be?? And if its something other than a 'crazy old commie trying to get the band back together' (which I don't know where you are getting that from) what would it matter? 'More to the story' would allude that there's some legit reason for it...there is no legit reason, just power hungry and nuts. There isn't really 'a victim' here??
You're digging yourself a hole here, man.
The war is about the oil off shore of the Crimean region.
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@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
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@ JimmyinSD said:
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
So for me this is super easy. There is one country with bombed out apartments and hospitals. One country with civilians dying by the 1000s. One country with millions of refugees fleeing.
To me its not hard to figure out who the offending country is.
I said I wasnt defending putins actions. but sometimes there isnt really a "victim", of course there are always innocent people in war that suffer, but is the Ukrainian govt really the victim here? I dont know, I know that I have read over the years that they are about as nasty a group as putins organization when it comes to how they run their countries and deal with opposition. yes the innocent civilians are victims and Putins actions are shitty, but is there more to the story than just a crazy old commie trying to get the band back together?
But what story would it be?? And if its something other than a 'crazy old commie trying to get the band back together' (which I don't know where you are getting that from) what would it matter? 'More to the story' would allude that there's some legit reason for it...there is no legit reason, just power hungry and nuts. There isn't really 'a victim' here??
You're digging yourself a hole here, man.
The war is about the oil off shore of the Crimean region.
is it though? seems like a simple and pliable explanation, right? but why? Putin already has a shit ton of oil, and the means to get it to market, so why does he risk full scale war and all the perils that it brings by pissing off the world by waging a war that is openly targeting not just civilians, but the most protected and vulnerable of all civilians in that of pregnant women? AGAIN NOT DEFENDING PUTIN I just have to wonder are we getting the full story here?
its said that it is because of the Ukraines desire to join NATO. is there any better reason for them to join NATO than for a non NATO member to bomb the living shit out of them? STILL NOT DEFENDING PUTIN, just asking WHY?
some have said it for access to the Black sea and the exports it provides... well didnt we already sit back and let them have that with the acquisition of Crimea? FOR THE RECORD, PUTIN IS A FUCKING DBAG.
All I am saying/asking, what arent we seeing/being shown here? Putin has the world by the short hairs over there, why would he push a global conflict position for oil? especially off shore oil which is so difficult to defend?
I am thinking that the US people are being orchestrated into a conflict... again, why? many like to talk about the absence of weapons of mass destruction in iraq and how that paved the way... look at what we are seeing from the msm as well as the influencers of the world and how that is pushing the US court of public opinion into taking a position that only leads to armed US involvement.
STILL NOT DEFENDING PUTINS ACTIONS. NO FUCKING HOLES BEING DUG.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
go ahead and laugh, history hasnt been kind to those that have been swallowing the jiz the MSM has been jacking the last half decade or longer. If you want to keep believing the shit they put out there go right ahead, but I am done taking much of anything they say at face value, no matter who says it which is exactly why I dont even know what channel FOX, CNN, MSNBC are even on. They are all slanting, truth twist, or flat out lying on pretty much everything to sell a story that always seems to cover some politicians ass or benefit their donors. I am done, I am not going to say Putin is a victim or a scape goat or anything like that, I am just saying I dont believe in coincidences and that the timing of his actions and the storys that arent being told are damn beneficial to a lot of high reaching people. Not to mention those who are invested in oil companies up front, and those that want to push alternative energy sources alike will be smiling from this as well. I just dont think shit randomly happens because one fucker in russia has a hardon for a piece of property of visions or restoring the USSR.
I havent had time to dig into the "why" here, and I have not idea what this documentary is about, but even Susan Sarandon is asking if what we are seeing/not seeing is on the up and up. I am just at the point where IMO we all should be putting emphasis on asking the why when we are presented with a news story, and the more the story is pushed and by who its being pushed by. The right wing sources are no better than the left, everybody has an angle, I just want to try and see straight before I accept the angled view points. If you find that humorous, keep lauging, glad I can be a source of humor for you, but like I said, we are all being led down a path of bull shit, its not by accident or incompetence, this is by design and I want to try and figure out why.
So for me this is super easy. There is one country with bombed out apartments and hospitals. One country with civilians dying by the 1000s. One country with millions of refugees fleeing.
To me its not hard to figure out who the offending country is.
I said I wasnt defending putins actions. but sometimes there isnt really a "victim", of course there are always innocent people in war that suffer, but is the Ukrainian govt really the victim here? I dont know, I know that I have read over the years that they are about as nasty a group as putins organization when it comes to how they run their countries and deal with opposition. yes the innocent civilians are victims and Putins actions are shitty, but is there more to the story than just a crazy old commie trying to get the band back together?
But what story would it be?? And if its something other than a 'crazy old commie trying to get the band back together' (which I don't know where you are getting that from) what would it matter? 'More to the story' would allude that there's some legit reason for it...there is no legit reason, just power hungry and nuts. There isn't really 'a victim' here??
You're digging yourself a hole here, man.
The war is about the oil off shore of the Crimean region.
is it though? seems like a simple and pliable explanation, right? but why? Putin already has a shit ton of oil, and the means to get it to market, so why does he risk full scale war and all the perils that it brings by pissing off the world by waging a war that is openly targeting not just civilians, but the most protected and vulnerable of all civilians in that of pregnant women? AGAIN NOT DEFENDING PUTIN I just have to wonder are we getting the full story here?
its said that it is because of the Ukraines desire to join NATO. is there any better reason for them to join NATO than for a non NATO member to bomb the living shit out of them? STILL NOT DEFENDING PUTIN, just asking WHY?
some have said it for access to the Black sea and the exports it provides... well didnt we already sit back and let them have that with the acquisition of Crimea? FOR THE RECORD, PUTIN IS A FUCKING DBAG.
All I am saying/asking, what arent we seeing/being shown here? Putin has the world by the short hairs over there, why would he push a global conflict position for oil? especially off shore oil which is so difficult to defend?
I am thinking that the US people are being orchestrated into a conflict... again, why? many like to talk about the absence of weapons of mass destruction in iraq and how that paved the way... look at what we are seeing from the msm as well as the influencers of the world and how that is pushing the US court of public opinion into taking a position that only leads to armed US involvement.
STILL NOT DEFENDING PUTINS ACTIONS. NO FUCKING HOLES BEING DUG.
The main military port in Crimea is the only Atlantic warm water port Russia has if I remember correctly.
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