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@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 

Im sure if you catch a flight, they’ll happily hand you a rifle. 

I have a Ukrainian flag outside but they are not our allies. They could have signed up for NATO, but didnt. 

War is a rich mans game that uses kids from lesser economic backgrounds as their pawns. 

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@AGRforever said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 

Im sure if you catch a flight, they’ll happily hand you a rifle. 

I have a Ukrainian flag outside but they are not our allies. They could have signed up for NATO, but didnt. 

War is a rich mans game that uses kids from lesser economic backgrounds as their pawns. 

I'm sure all the folks that need a rifle to go to Publix are already on their way. Right?

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@Vanguard83 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@purplefaithful said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

I am the biggest dove you’ll ever meet. If war breaksout and its with a NATO country then we should because we signed on to participate. 

However, from this poll, maybe some of those +$200k people should sign up to fight rather the saddle the responsibility onto the folks in the military 

No doubt!!!  Fantastic song. 

These folks who are fast to war better be signing up or signing up the kids or grandkids for the front lines. 

I once did a list of the top 10 songs in history. This was in the top three, along with Gimme Shelter by the Stones and What's Goin On by Marvin Gaye. 

Hey Maroon & friends -

You should watch my daughters National History Day documentary on songs against the Vietnam War.  (All the songs you mention and more)

Saddest story was a Rare Earth song, “If I Die” banned from stations across this country of ours

Youtube not linking on my ipad RN ..  
search Haley Hocking - look for “Harmony and Dissonance”

V83

Very well done! 

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@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

They volunteered to defend this country,  not the world.  

NO!!!!    They volunteered to defend the US Constitution.   ( I know, I did it)  

Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.   

About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA,  but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.

Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway?? 

Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

They volunteered to defend this country,  not the world.  

NO!!!!    They volunteered to defend the US Constitution.   ( I know, I did it)  

Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.   

About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA,  but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.

Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway?? 

Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit. 

The vast majority of the people I know are conservatives in some sort or fashion. I know 1 person who is pro-putin and he went down the conspiracy rabbit hole long before the war. 

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@JustinTime18™ said:

@AGRforever said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

Im sure if you catch a flight, they’ll happily hand you a rifle. 

I have a Ukrainian flag outside but they are not our allies. They could have signed up for NATO, but didnt. 

War is a rich mans game that uses kids from lesser economic backgrounds as their pawns. 

I'm sure all the folks that need a rifle to go to Publix are already on their way. Right?

Open carry people are douche bags. The last thing you want is for threats to know who is and isnt armed. 

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@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

They volunteered to defend this country,  not the world.  

NO!!!!    They volunteered to defend the US Constitution.   ( I know, I did it)  

Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.   

About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA,  but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.

Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway?? 

Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit. 

The vast majority of the people I know are conservatives in some sort or fashion. I know 1 person who is pro-putin and he went down the conspiracy rabbit hole long before the war. 

Seeing more and more of it...

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/statu...90604?s=20&t=ZiAgabbX7xky1S230WgsKw

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sigh...

What a world. Maybe we need a pandemic or something that unites the planet?

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@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

They volunteered to defend this country,  not the world.  

NO!!!!    They volunteered to defend the US Constitution.   ( I know, I did it)  

Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.   

About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA,  but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.

Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway?? 

Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit. 

The vast majority of the people I know are conservatives in some sort or fashion. I know 1 person who is pro-putin and he went down the conspiracy rabbit hole long before the war. 

Seeing more and more of it...

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/statu...90604?s=20&t=ZiAgabbX7xky1S230WgsKw

Oh wow!!!  You found someone else who is a dumbshit.  My mind is made up.  Go Putin!!!

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@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@savannahskol said:

@AGRforever said:

@Vanguard83 said:
For thirty years my brother (USMC Colonel / Bronze Star) was sent into “harms way”
We were blessed that he returned. Although struggling with PTSD, we are so grateful he survived all of his deployments, MANY Marines under his command were not so fortunate. May they rest in peace.

Not ONE DROP of American blood is worth fighting against ANY countries geopolitics, that does not DIRECTLY affect the US.

Korea, three years and 55,0000 American lives / Countless Koreans / unknown number of Chinese.......What did we gain? The “police action” ended (loosely interpreted) where it began.
War in Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos....How did that civil war end for all our involvement? 
So we help Afghanistan against the Soviets....How did that work out for us?
So we help Iraq against Iran...Yeah that worked out, didnt it?

What do I care if Sunni’s are killing Shia’s, or Kurd’s....let them kill each other.
What do I care if Russians want to kill Ukranians, Serbs.....let them kill each other.

Have we really not learned to stay the F out of countries civil wars???

Our incompetent leaders stick our loved ones into these situations, that taxpayers have to pay for, and what do we get for our trouble? Ongoing involvement for decades....
and tri- folded flags.

We need to find a soapbox so you can shout this to the masses.  A-FRICKING-MEN.  

DISAGREE!  

AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM! 

We should have sent forwardly-projected AMERICAN FIREPOWER into UKRAINE... preferably into Harms Way.  A MONTH AGO. 

We have an ALL-VOLUNTEER US MILITARY!  

You lily-livered  peaceniks are antithetical to the American experience. 

Whatta  buncha pukes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

They volunteered to defend this country,  not the world.  

NO!!!!    They volunteered to defend the US Constitution.   ( I know, I did it)  

Here's the distinction:
"They" volunteered to subject themselves to the UCMJ and civilian (political) control of the military.   

About the only American involvement would be an assassination of Putin led by the CIA,  but connect it to a non US organization, but even at that I am not convinced that whole thing over there is what we are being shown it as.

Really? I have to laugh, unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is all on Putin. What else is there besides Fox News conspiracy theories and a few nut job politicians trying to blame the Ukraine? Again, I'm really hopeful that I'm misunderstanding you. What exactly are we being 'shown' to make you think that anyway?? 

Yeah, I'm curious too. You could see this sort of anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin sentiment rising among the usual suspects like Trump, Tucker, MGT, etc. But it's spreading like I knew it would. So what is this about? Because right now it just sounds like more horse dewormer and deep state bullshit. 

The vast majority of the people I know are conservatives in some sort or fashion. I know 1 person who is pro-putin and he went down the conspiracy rabbit hole long before the war. 

Seeing more and more of it...

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/statu...90604?s=20&t=ZiAgabbX7xky1S230WgsKw

Oh wow!!!  You found someone else who is a dumbshit.  My mind is made up.  Go Putin!!!

You want more, just say so. Even Jimmy mentions it earlier in the thread. This is not a belief held only on the whacky margins. Like Q and antivax, it's fairly widespread. And growing. I just want someone to explain the reasoning behind it.