Quote: @savannahskol said:
@ comet52 said:
It's weird timing, he was in the middle of the interview process with two other teams I heard. I can't figure what his angle is.
His angle is race. And race relations in the US. Brilliant!
htt ps://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1488659713587875845
I may be wrong...but this is a seminal event.
I will decline your invitation to lawsuit fantasyland there, sir.
Quote: @savannahskol said:
@ VikingOracle said:
What coach would want to take the Dolphins head coaching job now? Think about it -- you're going to be heavily scrutinized over the next couple of seasons; if the paid tanking accusations are true, the Dolphins will probably lose draft picks (among other penalties), may be hard to get free agents to come to the Dolphins as long as Ross is owner and there is going to be a cloud over the entire organization.
Lol, the Dolphins. Class-action, bro. You're missing the bigger picture.
Flores just tapped into something larger. Much larger. Even Kaep is taking a bow.
Have you read the news/news reactions to this suit? Google it.
Go coach Flores!
(and whoever his lawyers are...hit a HR on the press-release)
Yes, I decided to look at one tangible result of the "HR on the press release." And, yes, I think systemic racism is throughout the NFL coaching system -- you need look no further than the coordinators on the Vikings last year -- if the vast majority of HCs in the NFL are white and they choose to elevate their offspring, well, that takes up opportunities for POC.
But I don't need to google the lawsuit to know that it is not all about racism. The part of the lawsuit that is getting the most attention is the payments for losses. That is not racist. I am sure Ross would have been pissed at a white coach if he had made the team perform as well as Flores.
Also, keep in mind there is a chance this will all be pushed into arbitration.
Then layer on top of that that Flores is trying to do this as a class action -- who are members of that class? Can't be all black coaches because black coaches do get hired to coach teams. And you can't say the Rooney rule is just window dressing as Mike Tomlin proves it is not. And what black coach will want to be part of the class -- are there any other class representatives?
Yes, look at Kaep -- he sued the NFL but then the entire litigation got really quiet. Do you even know the result?
So, yes, I can look at the larger picture but I chose to look at the one piece of tangible damages caused by yesterday's filing.
Hue Jackson just jumped in and says he was paid to tank in Cleveland too. Bad stuff.
We know tanking goes on obviously but to me there’s a big difference between having a bad roster that you know will lose a lot, and an owner saying, “I’ll give you $100K to lose today.” At that point you’re not tanking, you’re fixing games.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ VikingOracle said:
What coach would want to take the Dolphins head coaching job now? Think about it -- you're going to be heavily scrutinized over the next couple of seasons; if the paid tanking accusations are true, the Dolphins will probably lose draft picks (among other penalties), may be hard to get free agents to come to the Dolphins as long as Ross is owner and there is going to be a cloud over the entire organization.
Lol, the Dolphins. Class-action, bro. You're missing the bigger picture.
Flores just tapped into something larger. Much larger. Even Kaep is taking a bow.
Have you read the news/news reactions to this suit? Google it.
Go coach Flores!
(and whoever his lawyers are...hit a HR on the press-release)
Yes, I decided to look at one tangible result of the "HR on the press release." And, yes, I think systemic racism is throughout the NFL coaching system -- you need look no further than the coordinators on the Vikings last year -- if the vast majority of HCs in the NFL are white and they choose to elevate their offspring, well, that takes up opportunities for POC.
But I don't need to google the lawsuit to know that it is not all about racism. The part of the lawsuit that is getting the most attention is the payments for losses. That is not racist. I am sure Ross would have been pissed at a white coach if he had made the team perform as well as Flores.
Also, keep in mind there is a chance this will all be pushed into arbitration.
Then layer on top of that that Flores is trying to do this as a class action -- who are members of that class? Can't be all black coaches because black coaches do get hired to coach teams. And you can't say the Rooney rule is just window dressing as Mike Tomlin proves it is not. And what black coach will want to be part of the class -- are there any other class representatives?
Yes, look at Kaep -- he sued the NFL but then the entire litigation got really quiet. Do you even know the result?
So, yes, I can look at the larger picture but I chose to look at the one piece of tangible damages caused by yesterday's filing.
Yeah, I never thought about that angle. Nepotism.
I just find it comical that the woke NFL is being sued for racist hiring practices for the very rules they implemented to not be looked at as racist. When you tell people they "have to" interview people of a certain race or gender, of course some interviews will be for show because they are mandated to do so. So, what's the real answer here? I despise that "race" has become such a huge talking point as it relates to anything regarding the NFL. It's pushed on all of us every weekend like it's 1962 and not 2022. You want to keep everybody divided by race...that's exactly what the NFL is doing
I also hope there's some truth to Flores's claim about Elway and his Broncos interview because otherwise he deserves to have his own ass sued for defamation.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ claykenny said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Just asking, what did Ross do wrong that indy didn't do when they sucked for luck? Or other teams that have shut down stars at them end of pointless campaigns?
Bribery to impact the outcome of a sporting event is a federal crime. If Ross offered him money to lose and Flores has proof, Ross has more than the NFL to be worried about.
At least the maximum prison sentence is only 5 years.
Edited just to clarify an owner telling a coach to lose is not an issue, aside from the whole integrity of the game thing. It’s the bribery/incentive portion that makes it a big deal from a legal standpoint.
LOL, integrity of the game. The same game that washed over brain injuries, the same game that refuses to got to full time officials and allows those incompetent officials to determine the outcome of games through inconsistent enforcement of arbitrary amd constantly changing rules...that integrity of the game?
Like I said, its been apparent in the past that teams have flopped for better draft position and nothing was ever made of it. Honestly if Flores was the good guy here he wouldn't have waited so long to bring the accusations out, why didn't he go to the Goodell much earlier if this was in any way about preserving the integrity of the game? This is about revenge and nothing more for Flores.
As far as the giants thing, is it racist that they hired the better candidate, simply because the guy they didn't hire/interview was black? I would wager that the reason they moved so quickly on dabol is likely because he was a top candidate and didn't want to lose out on him to another team... makes perfect sense to me without some other information that would point to racist tendencies by the giants.
Does racism exist, most definitely, is this an example of it, imo..no, not based on this act alone. Sounds more like more sour grapes by Flores.
I agree with this. In addition I think this is possibly the unintended consequence of the Rooney rule. Another well intended mandate that backfired.
I think most head coach searches involve a favorite candidate from the start. That is the employers prerogative. The Belichick text is an unfortunate mistake but I'm not sure it proves racism in hiring.
The pay for tanking may have some teeth however.
I know racism is present and I don't blame Flores for being pissed after being fired. I just wonder what additional evidence he has to substantiate his claims, because what we know so far doesn't seem to prove anything.
Quote: @Chuckf said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ VikingOracle said:
What coach would want to take the Dolphins head coaching job now? Think about it -- you're going to be heavily scrutinized over the next couple of seasons; if the paid tanking accusations are true, the Dolphins will probably lose draft picks (among other penalties), may be hard to get free agents to come to the Dolphins as long as Ross is owner and there is going to be a cloud over the entire organization.
Lol, the Dolphins. Class-action, bro. You're missing the bigger picture.
Flores just tapped into something larger. Much larger. Even Kaep is taking a bow.
Have you read the news/news reactions to this suit? Google it.
Go coach Flores!
(and whoever his lawyers are...hit a HR on the press-release)
Yes, I decided to look at one tangible result of the "HR on the press release." And, yes, I think systemic racism is throughout the NFL coaching system -- you need look no further than the coordinators on the Vikings last year -- if the vast majority of HCs in the NFL are white and they choose to elevate their offspring, well, that takes up opportunities for POC.
But I don't need to google the lawsuit to know that it is not all about racism. The part of the lawsuit that is getting the most attention is the payments for losses. That is not racist. I am sure Ross would have been pissed at a white coach if he had made the team perform as well as Flores.
Also, keep in mind there is a chance this will all be pushed into arbitration.
Then layer on top of that that Flores is trying to do this as a class action -- who are members of that class? Can't be all black coaches because black coaches do get hired to coach teams. And you can't say the Rooney rule is just window dressing as Mike Tomlin proves it is not. And what black coach will want to be part of the class -- are there any other class representatives?
Yes, look at Kaep -- he sued the NFL but then the entire litigation got really quiet. Do you even know the result?
So, yes, I can look at the larger picture but I chose to look at the one piece of tangible damages caused by yesterday's filing.
Yeah, I never thought about that angle. Nepotism.
PFT also wrote about it this morning:
Quote:It’s noteworthy that Hackett, the son of longtime coach Paul Hackett, is hiring Kubiak, who previously worked for his dad in Denver. At a time when former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores is suing the NFL and alleging discriminatory hiring policies, the Hackett-Kubiak pairing in Denver does little to dispel the perception that the best way to advance in coaching is nepotism.
Quote: @Chuckf said:
@ JR44 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JR44 said:
So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others. There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices. And this becomes a racism lawsuit? So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.
Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson. I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race.
What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?
Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.
It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions. IF this is all true. JR44's point is easily inferred. Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need. Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for. Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development. In fact, he regressed. The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?
That is some serious mental gymnastics! His complaint is against the Giants. What the Dolphins do has absolutely no bearing on the Giants allegedly having picked a coach before they complied with the Rooney Rule. This is like saying "I can't be prejudice because my friend hires minorities".
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ Chuckf said:
@ JR44 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JR44 said:
So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others. There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices. And this becomes a racism lawsuit? So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.
Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson. I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race.
What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?
Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.
It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions. IF this is all true. JR44's point is easily inferred. Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need. Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for. Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development. In fact, he regressed. The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?
That is some serious mental gymnastics! His complaint is against the Giants. What the Dolphins do has absolutely no bearing on the Giants allegedly having picked a coach before they complied with the Rooney Rule. This is like saying "I can't be prejudice because my friend hires minorities".
Not at all but whatever. You do you. There is also, you know, the whole deal where the owner has the right to hire who they want too, right? You don't think in the history of the NFL that an owner and GM had their guy picked out but also interviewed others as well? What does race have to do with it? Funny he also brought out the Broncos and we all know Vance Joseph was the head coach who was fired. Personally after reading what Oracle posted above its more of the "nepotism" factor than race it seems like.
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