Rodgers has COVID; unvaccinated.

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Rodgers is on McAfee spouting off. Oh my goodness. 

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@AGRforever said:

@Waterboy said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@VikingOracle said:

@Waterboy said:

Hi Waterboy:

I had an epiphany about this discussion last night.   I know you are trying to bring your views to the argument but keep in mind that there is only one group that can actually change their course of action at this time -- the unvaccinated such as yourself.  I am vaccinated and boosted.  Even if I suddenly changed my mind about the efficacy of the vaccine I am still already vaccinated; it is irreversible.  So all your arguments, etc., can do no good -- you are only justifying your own decision -- you can't make the vaccinated reverse course.  Maybe you feel personally attacked, etc. but really your only response is that you have looked at a whole spectrum of information and your risk assessment is that it is better to remain unvaccinated.   While we, the vaccinated, hope we can convince the unvaccinated to modify their course, the unvaccinated can't change the course of the vaccinated because we have already cast off.  Please keep in mind also, that we advocate because we think it will potentially save your life and, in comparison, nothing you can write can change what we have irreversibly already done.

Its an eloquent thought, but the unvaccinated aren't getting vaccinated for reasons that are emotional, not logical. They either choose to believe its harmful (which it isn't) or they don't want to be told what to do. It's that simple. 'I'm an American, I won't be forced to do anything!'. Riiiiight. Talk about entitlement. They continue to pivot to new rationale when prior rationale has been debunked.

So I respect the way you are debating, but it's useless. I've learned that during COVID. 58% of this country is vaccinated, its a GD joke. And its taken this long just to get to that number. 

How the fuck do you know?  Sorry, but that is your emotional opinion, not a logical statement.

I know because I talk to WAY too many people down here in Florida that won't get vaccinated. That's how the fuck I know. There's not a fucking thing to be logical about NOT GETTING VACCINATED. 

I don't know how to respond to this other than to say, you need to read a lot more if you think the science is on your side.  There's very little emotion in my viewpoint.  Since I lost someone very close to me to Covid, the easiest path would be the emotional one to believe the vaccine will rescue all of us.  It's clearly not the case, and it looks to be causing a lot of damage along the way, with much (very much) still unknown.  

There isnt science on your side.  Logic, science, mathmatics, statistics and on and on.  Just bullshit you read or watched on the internet. 

that is not true,  there have been plenty of doctors and scientists that have made very compelling fact based arguments contrary to what flip flop has been spewing over the last couple years.  its just that they are black listed very quickly and the media does its best to discredit their positions (without actually stating fact or science,  just attacking the person and not the position)  The science on this is far from settled, right now I would say that the vaccinations are at best described as "the best plan we have to date" that hardly makes it the right approach or scientifically sound approach as only time will tell. 

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@medaille said:

@AGRforever said:

@medaille said:

@purplefaithful said:
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I absolutely believe our planet/society are better off with Covid being eradicated and vaccines are the best way to get there.
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Covid will never be eraticated.  Even if everyone on the planet was vaccinated 2x-4x a year or whatever the booster recommendations end up being, the vaccine is still leaky.  People will still get sick with Covid, keep spreading the disease and keeping the genepool alive.  Then the virus will eventually mutate in a way that the vaccine no longer works.

Furthermore, the vaccine companies are only vaccinating the rich countries and large percentages of the world does not trust the vaccines (or their governments) and won't take them.  This ensures that even if one country could theoretically vaccinate with a perfect vaccine their entire population, the virus would evolve in the non-vaccinated population, until it mutates in a way that the vaccine no longer works.  Now if you assume that everyone is perfectly willing to get vaccinated, you have to ask the question, is it feasible that the vaccine companies could vaccinate the entire population of the world fast enough to eradicate the disease before it evolves again?

Over time the virus will most likely evolve to be more infectious but less deadly and it will be similar to our normal flu.

Thats not true. Covid-1 burnt itself out in a little more then a year. Its going to take time but Covid-2 will burn itself out at some point. The plumeting rate of infection going into respritory season is a great sign. I’m actully quite optomistic that we’re on the homestretch. 

I think we're saying the same thing with different words.  Covid-1 was novel, and infected people that had no immune response history to protect them.  The people susceptible to this disease got sick and/or died.  People became immune to the disease, but it still existed just in lower numbers.  Then it mutated into a new form that increased it's infectiousness and found a new population that were susceptible to this new variant.  It too will continue to exist.  We'll always have people keeping it alive, in the same way that we haven't eradicated the cold or the flu.  We'll just live with it, like we do with the cold or the flu.  Every so often, we'll get news that the Covid Flu is especially bad this year or whatever because the new variant did something special.

I do think we’re on the same page. Sars and Mers burnt themselves out. Covid-2 will. 

The planet will alway have corona virus because it exists in multiple species. But I honestly think we’ll eventually have enough vaccinated, those who had the virus and those who got their Herman Cain awards that itll run out of hosts. 

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@AGRforever said:

@Waterboy said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@VikingOracle said:

@Waterboy said:

Hi Waterboy:

I had an epiphany about this discussion last night.   I know you are trying to bring your views to the argument but keep in mind that there is only one group that can actually change their course of action at this time -- the unvaccinated such as yourself.  I am vaccinated and boosted.  Even if I suddenly changed my mind about the efficacy of the vaccine I am still already vaccinated; it is irreversible.  So all your arguments, etc., can do no good -- you are only justifying your own decision -- you can't make the vaccinated reverse course.  Maybe you feel personally attacked, etc. but really your only response is that you have looked at a whole spectrum of information and your risk assessment is that it is better to remain unvaccinated.   While we, the vaccinated, hope we can convince the unvaccinated to modify their course, the unvaccinated can't change the course of the vaccinated because we have already cast off.  Please keep in mind also, that we advocate because we think it will potentially save your life and, in comparison, nothing you can write can change what we have irreversibly already done.

Its an eloquent thought, but the unvaccinated aren't getting vaccinated for reasons that are emotional, not logical. They either choose to believe its harmful (which it isn't) or they don't want to be told what to do. It's that simple. 'I'm an American, I won't be forced to do anything!'. Riiiiight. Talk about entitlement. They continue to pivot to new rationale when prior rationale has been debunked.

So I respect the way you are debating, but it's useless. I've learned that during COVID. 58% of this country is vaccinated, its a GD joke. And its taken this long just to get to that number. 

How the fuck do you know?  Sorry, but that is your emotional opinion, not a logical statement.

I know because I talk to WAY too many people down here in Florida that won't get vaccinated. That's how the fuck I know. There's not a fucking thing to be logical about NOT GETTING VACCINATED. 

I don't know how to respond to this other than to say, you need to read a lot more if you think the science is on your side.  There's very little emotion in my viewpoint.  Since I lost someone very close to me to Covid, the easiest path would be the emotional one to believe the vaccine will rescue all of us.  It's clearly not the case, and it looks to be causing a lot of damage along the way, with much (very much) still unknown.  

There isnt science on your side.  Logic, science, mathmatics, statistics and on and on.  Just bullshit you read or watched on the internet. 

You keep using that word, science.  

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@SFVikeFan said:

@Waterboy said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Oh and Waterboy, Australia has had 1500 deaths by Covid.  Population 25 million. 

USA is now over 750,000 deaths, population 330 million.  

750,000 deaths vs 1500. 

USA has 1 in 440 citizens die from Covid
Australia has 1 in 16,660 citizens die from Covid. 

Those are indisputable facts.


Poke fun at their drastic measures, but with 70% of population fully vaccinated they chose to keep their people alive.  


We didn't, because rightwing politicians and conspiracy theorists decided they knew better than the medical community, gambled, and lost.   

Man, you do better at proving  your point than I ever could.  Yes, in my life I choose to live life, not hang out in caves.  They are sitting out life, and quite honestly its unsustainable.  If the US or China did that, life as we know it would come to a grinding halt.  Australia and New Zealand aren't exactly World Hubs.  lol  I think you take a very simplistic view of things.  Just my opinion.  There's also the fact that 100% of humans die everywhere.  Your logic would lead us all to never drive cars as all auto accidents could be avoided.   You live your little life out in San Fran that way if you like.    And btw, why did you totally ignore the India angle.  Where are your answers for that?

They lifted most of their restrictions last month.  We were also under lockouts for a while as well, but stubborn Americans didn't want to take it seriously, so we just prolonged our ability to safely open up. 

But yeah, freedom.  Whoop whoop.


And you latch onto all kinds of unproven, sketchy, unfounded sources.  Like your belief Ivermectin works?  Not rooted in fact or science, just emotion.


It's completely dumbfounding that people like you embrace truly experimental, ineffective drugs like Ivermectin that neither doctors nor even the manufacturer recommend, but don't trust the doctors to get a vaccine. 


It's YouTube, Facebook over science. 

And Sticky is dead right - it is purely an emotional decision at this point, neither a fact or science based one.  Base that on the CMO of Washington Regional Med Center in Fayetteville, AR who is a diehard conservative GOP voter who has seen and treated over 10,000 patients during the pandemic who told me the same thing last night at dinner.  Stubbornness and stupidity were also part of it.  

And look at what has happened to their numbers since lifting restrictions.  lol  You seem to get pretty heated right away in your conversations, so I'm not sure you should make light of other people's "emotions".  Your arguments are all over the place as demonstrated by statements like Freedom "Whoop whoop"?  That's just strange.  You do know that the vaccines while technically moving past the experimental stage (due to changes in definitions and FDA requirements) are definitely in that stage from a historical perspective?  These vaccines have had more negative side effects listed in Vaers than all other vaccines combined over the last 30 years.  To the other part of your statement, there are thousands of doctors who support Ivermectin, many that treat it on a daily basis who are on the protocol themselves.  They have been told that they can no longer prescribe it as a therapeutic, though real life studies as large as 1/4 billion people have been conducted and proven effective by countries the size of Indonesia and India.  I'll take these large real life samples over a panel of the FDA any day of the year. You seem to argue from a standpoint of blissful ignorance and that's fine.  I just don't know what I can do to enlighten you without making fun of you.  You simply want to believe you're right, whereas intelligent people know they can  help educate people and learn at the same time.  You don't seem to be a person that is capable of that.  You're a lot of fun to make fun of, but as a favor to the forum, I have promised not to do that.

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Bless your heart Waterboy, how so very noble of you.

Love the passive aggressive method you're using while tossing the insults in.


You just can't help yourself can you?  No worries I doubt the Mods care to read into your passive-aggressive insults. 


What you're doing is blatantly obvious - ignoring the hundreds of millions of sample sizes and international medical community consensus, because you have a boner for Fauci/FDA or whatever boogeyman you choose, while cherry picking the outliers and goofballs who parrot what you already believe.

There's no interest in fact or science, just digging for any obscure info that confirms what you already think.  


Do you play blackjack?  Let me explain what you and the anti-vax crowd are doing:

You're that guy sitting on 3rd base with the dealer showing a 16, you're sitting on 19 and asking for a hit.  Oh sure it's your right to ignore the mathematics and the odds, because freedom, but your inability to understand the odds you're blowing the game for the rest of us.

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@SFVikeFan said:
Bless your heart Waterboy, how so very noble of you.

Love the passive aggressive method you're using while tossing the insults in.


You just can't help yourself can you?  No worries I doubt the Mods care to read into your passive-aggressive insults. 


What you're doing is blatantly obvious - ignoring the hundreds of millions of sample sizes and international medical community consensus, because you have a boner for Fauci/FDA or whatever boogeyman you choose, while cherry picking the outliers and goofballs who parrot what you already believe.

There's no interest in fact or science, just digging for any obscure info that confirms what you already think.  


Do you play blackjack?  Let me explain what you and the anti-vax crowd are doing:

You're that guy sitting on 3rd base with the dealer showing a 16, you're sitting on 19 and asking for a hit.  Oh sure it's your right to ignore the mathematics and the odds, because freedom, but your inability to understand the odds you're blowing the game for the rest of us.

I'll just say it politely.  I have absolutely zero respect for your viewpoint or the way you express it.  And usually when that happens, I get entertainment out of making fun of people like you, but once again, I'm trying to be better because I truly respect the way this place is run.  So, if I stop responding to you it's hardly because you've formed a coherent argument.  lol

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Oh, please post your list of "thousands of doctors prescribing ivermectin."

Bold statement, please show your sources.  Otherwise this is just another element of your personal opinion aka misinformation. 


And again, the CDC, FDA, AMA do not agree with you or the wackos who believe otherwise:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/doctors-p...of-5200355

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@AGRforever said:

@Waterboy said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@VikingOracle said:

@Waterboy said:

Hi Waterboy:

I had an epiphany about this discussion last night.   I know you are trying to bring your views to the argument but keep in mind that there is only one group that can actually change their course of action at this time -- the unvaccinated such as yourself.  I am vaccinated and boosted.  Even if I suddenly changed my mind about the efficacy of the vaccine I am still already vaccinated; it is irreversible.  So all your arguments, etc., can do no good -- you are only justifying your own decision -- you can't make the vaccinated reverse course.  Maybe you feel personally attacked, etc. but really your only response is that you have looked at a whole spectrum of information and your risk assessment is that it is better to remain unvaccinated.   While we, the vaccinated, hope we can convince the unvaccinated to modify their course, the unvaccinated can't change the course of the vaccinated because we have already cast off.  Please keep in mind also, that we advocate because we think it will potentially save your life and, in comparison, nothing you can write can change what we have irreversibly already done.

Its an eloquent thought, but the unvaccinated aren't getting vaccinated for reasons that are emotional, not logical. They either choose to believe its harmful (which it isn't) or they don't want to be told what to do. It's that simple. 'I'm an American, I won't be forced to do anything!'. Riiiiight. Talk about entitlement. They continue to pivot to new rationale when prior rationale has been debunked.

So I respect the way you are debating, but it's useless. I've learned that during COVID. 58% of this country is vaccinated, its a GD joke. And its taken this long just to get to that number. 

How the fuck do you know?  Sorry, but that is your emotional opinion, not a logical statement.

I know because I talk to WAY too many people down here in Florida that won't get vaccinated. That's how the fuck I know. There's not a fucking thing to be logical about NOT GETTING VACCINATED. 

I don't know how to respond to this other than to say, you need to read a lot more if you think the science is on your side.  There's very little emotion in my viewpoint.  Since I lost someone very close to me to Covid, the easiest path would be the emotional one to believe the vaccine will rescue all of us.  It's clearly not the case, and it looks to be causing a lot of damage along the way, with much (very much) still unknown.  

There isnt science on your side.  Logic, science, mathmatics, statistics and on and on.  Just bullshit you read or watched on the internet. 

I think others have already made my point for me.  It seems like you really don't know what science means.  You think Joe Biden and Fauci are science.  I think they are the furthest thing from that.  If Fauci were science, he wouldn't constantly contradict himself before stuff ever comes out of his mouth.   Both are also guilty of lying non-stop, so there's that too.

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Aaron Rodgers claims he’s a victim of “the woke mob” and “cancel culture”
Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is painting himself as a victim after it was revealed this week that he got COVID-19 and is not vaccinated, despite his previous public claim that he was “immunized,” which he knew had been widely interpreted as getting the vaccine.
“I realize I’m in the crosshairs of the woke mob right now, so before the final nail gets put in my cancel culture casket, I’d like to set the record straight on some of the blatant lies that are out there about me now,” Rodgers said.
But Rodgers did not cite any specific “lies” that have been told about him. Instead, he launched into what he himself described as a “diatribe” about a “witch hunt going across the league.”
Rodgers claims to have done his own research and that he has an allergy to an ingredient in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, and he said that his decision to seek alternative treatments was “what was best for my body.” That is a highly dubious claim, but even if it were true, what Rodgers seems not to realize is that the decision to get vaccinated is not just about his own body but about the health and wellbeing of everyone around him. Rodgers chose to selfishly put people around him at an increased risk of catching COVID-19 from him.
Now Rodgers is out for at least 10 days and will miss Sunday’s game.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-claims-hes-a-victim-of-the-woke-mob-and-cancel-culture/