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@purplefaithful said:

I'm not convinced there are too many conservatives here who are anti-vax. Maybe not even olde Savvie. 

Whats happening is that conservatives are bashing all that is Biden. And I agree with them on some of their concerns too.

It's the same resentment and anger I had when the mistake called Trump was in office - maybe a few degrees lower in heat than I felt at the time  :p

Biden deserves some bashing. 

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The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund said in a recent midyear report that Covid-19 is the leading cause of death for officers nationwide. 
According to the nonprofit, from Jan. 1 to June 30, 71 officers died of Covid-related causes, more than firearm and traffic-related incidents combined. 
The number has continued climbing since the report was released, with 133 officers having died of Covid to date this year, the nonprofit said.
Last year, more law enforcement officers died of Covid-19 than any other cause, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.

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@purplefaithful said:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund said in a recent midyear report that Covid-19 is the leading cause of death for officers nationwide. 
According to the nonprofit, from Jan. 1 to June 30, 71 officers died of Covid-related causes, more than firearm and traffic-related incidents combined. 
The number has continued climbing since the report was released, with 133 officers having died of Covid to date this year, the nonprofit said.
Last year, more law enforcement officers died of Covid-19 than any other cause, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.

I don't doubt it. They are exposing themselves to a lot of non-vaccinated people. Also, a decent amount of police officers aren't what you'd call the healthiest eaters. Sometimes the job is very sedentary, hard to stay healthy. I see some cops that have been hitting the weights for chest and arms. But ask them to run 50 yards at full speed and they may vomit for 2 minutes straight. Zero cardio. Not to mention some of them are NOT vaccinated, below the national average. 

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@StickyBun said:

@purplefaithful said:

I'm not convinced there are too many conservatives here who are anti-vax. Maybe not even olde Savvie. 

Whats happening is that conservatives are bashing all that is Biden. And I agree with them on some of their concerns too.

It's the same resentment and anger I had when the mistake called Trump was in office - maybe a few degrees lower in heat than I felt at the time  :p

Biden deserves some bashing. 

Without a doubt....

The choices in 2020 were distasteful and 16 may have been worse.  

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Remember when ya'll professed that the rest of the world hated Trump (and therefore, us, the US) , and Dems were the world's answer? 

FRANCE  (France!)  pulls US ambassadors/envoys.  Hates the US, now. 
France is a member of NATO, do I need to remind? 

From the UK Guardian. 

France recalls US ambassadors to US
From the UK Guardian....https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/17/france-recalls-ambassadors-to-us-and-australia-after-aukus-pact

"It is the first time France has recalled a US ambassador; the two countries have been allies since the American war of independence. France also cancelled a gala due to be held on Friday to commemorate the anniversary of the Battle of Chesapeake Bay, a decisive event in the war, which ended with the French fleet’s victory over the British on 5 September 1781."  

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Thats a big Meh Savvie...

US/Aussies/G.Britain are being GLOBALISTS and forming an alliance against China. You know, the folks who brought us the China flu and are arming up like Germany in the 30's. 

Australia had big reservations about the diesel sub from France. More precisely it's ability to conduct its strategic mission tomorrow vs far more capable nuke subs.

So why should they throw $43b at it?

France is in a hissy fit about losing the revenue....Too bad 

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That's the story I am hearing over here, The French sub is a very limited with it's diesel power systems and they feel the US put something in their cornflakes.  They will get over it.

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US sets the stage for COVID booster shots for millionsAdvisers to CDC said boosters should be offered to people 65 and older, nursing home residents and those ages 50 to 64 who have risky underlying health problems.

By LAURAN NEERGAARD and MIKE STOBBE Associated PressSeptember 23, 2021 — 5:25pm

The U.S. vaccination drive against COVID-19 stood on the verge of a major new phase as government advisers Thursday recommended booster doses of Pfizer's vaccine for millions of older or otherwise vulnerable Americans — despite doubts the extra shots will do much to slow the pandemic.

Advisers to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said boosters should be offered to people 65 and older, nursing home residents and those ages 50 to 64 who have risky underlying health problems. The extra dose would be given once they are at least six months past their last Pfizer shot.
Deciding who else might get one was far tougher. While there is little evidence that younger people are in danger of waning immunity, the panel offered the option of a booster for those ages 18 to 49 who have chronic health problems and want one.
The advisers refused to go further and open boosters to otherwise healthy front-line health care workers who aren't at risk of severe illness but want to avoid even a mild infection.
"We might as well just say give it to everyone 18 and older. We have a very effective vaccine and it's like saying, 'It's not working.' It is working," said Dr. Pablo Sanchez of Ohio State University, who helped block the broadest booster option.
Still, getting the unvaccinated their first shots remains the top priority, and the panel wrestled with whether the booster debate was distracting from that goal.
All three of the COVID-19 vaccines used in the U.S. are still highly protective against severe illness, hospitalization and death, even amid the spread of the extra-contagious delta variant. But only about 182 million Americans are fully vaccinated, or just 55% of the population.
"We can give boosters to people, but that's not really the answer to this pandemic," said Dr. Helen Keipp Talbot of Vanderbilt University. "Hospitals are full because people are not vaccinated. We are declining care to people who deserve care because we are full of unvaccinated COVID-positive patients."
Thursday's decision represented a dramatic scaling back of the Biden administration plan announced last month to dispense boosters to nearly everyone to shore up their protection. Late Wednesday, the Food and Drug Administration, like the CDC panel, signed off on Pfizer boosters for a much narrower slice of the population than the White House envisioned.

It is up to the CDC to set final U.S. policy on who qualifies for the extra shot. A decision from the agency was expected later Thursday, but the CDC usually follows its advisers' recommendations.
The booster plan marks an important shift in the nation's vaccination drive. Britain and Israel are already giving a third round of shots over strong objections from the World Health Organization that poor countries don't have enough for their initial doses.
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky opened Thursday's meeting by stressing that vaccinating the unvaccinated remains the top goal "here in America and around the world."

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There seems to be more dissension among health care experts about this booster than there was with the shot or other prior treatments,  I dont see the booster being nearly as accepted as even the first round doses of the jabs.

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@JimmyinSD said:
There seems to be more dissension among health care experts about this booster than there was with the shot or other prior treatments,  I dont see the booster being nearly as accepted as even the first round doses of the jabs.

I think its really just this: 'Advisers to CDC said boosters should be offered to people 65 and older, nursing home residents and those ages 50 to 64 who have risky underlying health problems.' 

Of course you're going to have those that have been freaking out during COVID, wanting to be the first in line for the booster regardless of age. Some that are pushing hard for the boosters for everyone, when I don't think that is at all necessary. I'd really just settle for more people being vaccinated in the first place, let's focus on that. The booster shot is meant for the people that most at risk and those are the people that will be taking it. But of course the media is running with this like if people don't get booster shots, civilization will end. 

My wife just won't turn off the news and it gets her worked up. She's a very smart and sophisticated person and she still gets caught up in the drama. TURN OFF THE F#$%ING NEWS PEOPLE. Your blood pressure will go down and life will seem much brighter.