Appears that Cousins has gotten the shot

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@AGRforever said:

@Mattyman said:

  


Is there any salient point or  warning Malone has given about covid and the vaccines that you agree with?


If so, what are they?

I agree with him that, at this time, children under the age of 13 should not be vaccinated. I also agree with the fact that anti-inflammatories are indeed used to treat COVID-19 in hospital settings. However, they cannot always alleviate COVID-19 symptoms by themselves.  Now, tell me each salient point or warning Malone has given about Covid that you agree with and why.  Thanks.

  I agree with  Malone, using a non-sterile vaccine  as not the best option.

  I agree with Malones  that  the vaccines are creating a host  environment that allows for  Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

I also agree with  him  that by measuring the viral load  via blood titers in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in the coming months  , it  will accurately indicate if/when? ADE is present.


I agree  with him, I am not an anti vaxer.  



I agree with him that an mRNA vaccine has not yet been studied in depth, consequently, "heard immunity"  level is an unknown.


 

I  agree that  anti-virals aren't being accurately reported as a viable treatment. 

\Of all his points this is the one I agree with the most.     Since 2015, I've been taking, taking  Hydro chloroquine, Ivermectin and Zithro max to treat Lyme disease.  

Perhaps you can imagine how the medias narrative  has gone  180 degrees counter to what I have experienced.

Lastly,  I haven't heard Malone say it, specifically, there are over 100?   vaccines, in use, globally.   

I find it unlikely that  ALL 108 will be free of complications. 

 

So in horses Ivermectin is used as an anti-parasitic which I think we've all chatted about.  The problem is that since its early and often use for worming in horses the parasites themselves have become immune to it.  We don't even use it anymore because its ineffective. 

I would think the same thing would be happening in a human body??

India has  vaccinated 7%  of their population.

Sanitation is poor.

PPE is not present

It appears Herd Immunity has not been achieved.


https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/2706...-in-august



How did India do it?



I hope scientific mind will   square up how and why  India has improved.

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@Mattyman said:

@AGRforever said:

@Mattyman said:

  


Is there any salient point or  warning Malone has given about covid and the vaccines that you agree with?


If so, what are they?

I agree with him that, at this time, children under the age of 13 should not be vaccinated. I also agree with the fact that anti-inflammatories are indeed used to treat COVID-19 in hospital settings. However, they cannot always alleviate COVID-19 symptoms by themselves.  Now, tell me each salient point or warning Malone has given about Covid that you agree with and why.  Thanks.

  I agree with  Malone, using a non-sterile vaccine  as not the best option.

  I agree with Malones  that  the vaccines are creating a host  environment that allows for  Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

I also agree with  him  that by measuring the viral load  via blood titers in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in the coming months  , it  will accurately indicate if/when? ADE is present.


I agree  with him, I am not an anti vaxer.  



I agree with him that an mRNA vaccine has not yet been studied in depth, consequently, "heard immunity"  level is an unknown.


 

I  agree that  anti-virals aren't being accurately reported as a viable treatment. 

\Of all his points this is the one I agree with the most.     Since 2015, I've been taking, taking  Hydro chloroquine, Ivermectin and Zithro max to treat Lyme disease.  

Perhaps you can imagine how the medias narrative  has gone  180 degrees counter to what I have experienced.

Lastly,  I haven't heard Malone say it, specifically, there are over 100?   vaccines, in use, globally.   

I find it unlikely that  ALL 108 will be free of complications. 

 

So in horses Ivermectin is used as an anti-parasitic which I think we've all chatted about.  The problem is that since its early and often use for worming in horses the parasites themselves have become immune to it.  We don't even use it anymore because its ineffective. 

I would think the same thing would be happening in a human body??

India has  vaccinated 7%  of their population.

Sanitation is poor.

PPE is not present

It appears Herd Immunity has not been achieved.


https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/2706...-in-august



How did India do it?



I hope scientific mind will   square up how and why  India has improved.

magic?

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@Mattyman said:

@AGRforever said:

@Mattyman said:

So in horses Ivermectin is used as an anti-parasitic which I think we've all chatted about.  The problem is that since its early and often use for worming in horses the parasites themselves have become immune to it.  We don't even use it anymore because its ineffective. 

I would think the same thing would be happening in a human body??

India has  vaccinated 7%  of their population.
Sanitation is poor.
PPE is not present
It appears Herd Immunity has not been achieved.

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/2706...-in-august

How did India do it?

I hope scientific mind will   square up how and why  India has improved.

Keep in mind that herd immunity is not dependent upon how many people have been vaccinated but how many people have developed antibodies against the virus either by vaccination or exposure to the virus.   "Two-thirds of India's more than 1.3-billion-strong population have antibodies against the coronavirus, according to data released recently from a serological survey conducted by the country's top medical body, the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR). "   Of course, having a low vaccination rate but a large population exposed to the virus has lead to 420,000 COVID-related deaths so far.

Also, keep in mind that mask wearing was prevalent in India -- they even had laws making it a crime in certain areas not to wear a mask when outside the home (6 months in prison).  https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-wa...1609329603. 

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Keep in mind that herd immunity is not dependent upon how many people have been vaccinated but how many people have developed antibodies against the virus either by vaccination or exposure to the virus.   "Two-thirds of India's more than 1.3-billion-strong population have antibodies against the coronavirus, according to data released recently from a serological survey conducted by the country's top medical body, the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR). "   Of course, having a low vaccination rate but a large population exposed to the virus has lead to 420,000 COVID-related deaths so far.

Also, keep in mind that mask wearing was prevalent in India -- they even had laws making it a crime in certain areas not to wear a mask when outside the home (6 months in prison).  https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-was-consuming-india-until-nearly-everyone-started-wearing-masks-11609329603. 

 Thank you for your answers and your diplomacy. 

 I'm genuinely trying to understand how you see things and where you are coming from. 

You rock- Just like SinorSwim.


We agree Heard Immunity is not  dependent on vaccines.


And we both agree the Indian population has antibodies.


I agree with the WSJ article from Dec 2020 that you posted. India has had  strict mask mandates.  

How can I use that info to  explain why the population of India has viral antibodies?


 


Thank you again for being civil  and your willingness to discuss.

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@Mattyman said:

 Thank you for your answers and your diplomacy. 

 I'm genuinely trying to understand how you see things and where you are coming from. 

You rock- Just like SinorSwim.


We agree Heard Immunity is not  dependent on vaccines.


And we both agree the Indian population has antibodies.


I agree with the WSJ article from Dec 2020 that you posted. India has had  strict mask mandates.  

How can I use that info to  explain why the population of India has viral antibodies?

Thank you again for being civil  and your willingness to discuss.

Thanks Matty, you have given me a lot to think about and explore.  India is definitely a conundrum.  It also seems that you can get radically different views of what is happening there depending upon the news source -- even within the same article.  

• "The overall Covid-19 scenario is somehow under control now in India."
• "India witnessed over 40,000 new coronavirus infections for the second day in a row; the country saw a single-day rise of 40,120 cases in the last 24 hours, taking the overall tally to 3,21,17,826 .... The Covid-19 death toll also climbed to 4,30,254 with 585 new fatalities. "

https://www.financialexpress.com/lifesty...e/2309991/. I am sorry but I don't know how almost 600 deaths in a day shows the virus is under control.

I do agree it is very interesting that India has a high % or people with virus antibodies, though low vaccination rate and high mask usage.  I do know from my work which partially depends upon art work coming out of India that the pandemic has greatly slowed delivery.  I will continue to think about this.  I have always thought that the amount of one's initial virus load is what causes different outcomes.  It seems logical to me that the more virus one breathes in at a time, the harder it is for the body to fight it off in a timely manner.  But a lot to think about.

Have a great weekend, Matty, and may we both be happy with the performances on Saturday (I don't care about the outcome so much).

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I am going to share this article because it responds to a lot of questions that I have had about Delta:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08...arsely-api

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@VikingOracle said:
I am going to share this article because it responds to a lot of questions that I have had about Delta:

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08...arsely-api

Thanks, like the sixth heading, concise explanation of viral load in throat of vaccinated and the non.  Nice to hear that there are indications it dissipates relatively quickly when “someone is home”.
easy read thanks

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Here's a f------ a------ now...

Anti-Vaccine Cardinal Raymond Burke, Who Pushed Microchip Conspiracy, on Ventilator After Getting CovidCardinal Raymond Burke has been placed on ventilator after he contracted COVID-19. Burke, who contracted the virus during his trip to Wisconsin, had openly expressed his reservations against the vaccines and suggested that it contained microchips for the government to track recipients.

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its really sad how some seem to revel in the sickness and death of those who do not hold the same view as them.  I dont see headlines posted for every time a vaccine side effect is suggested to be a contributor to a persons death (and there is no shortage of them)  so why do some feel the need to post all the stories of anti vaxers getting sick and dying?  seriously,  do you think this is going to move the needle at all for those that do not hold the same views as you?