Is this the year to move up for a QB?

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You all make it seem like giving up the farm to draft a replacement is such a "sure thing". 

QB's drafted since 2015 in round 1: 

2015 - Jameis Winston 
2015 - Marcus Mariota
2016 - Jared Goff
2016 - Carson Wentz 
2016 - Paxton Lynch 
2017 - Mitch Trubisky 
2017 - Patrick Mahomes 
2017 - Deshaun Watson 
2018 - Baker Mayfield 
2018 - Josh Allen 
2018 - Josh Rosen 
2018 - Lamar Jackson 
2019 - Kyler Murray 
2019 - Daniel Jones 
2019 - Dwyane Haskins 
2020 - Joe Burrow 
2020 - Tua Tagovailoa 
2020 - Justin Herbert 

So you have 18 QBs there with 5 being considerably better than Cousins with maybe another 2 (Murray/Burrow) who may be. So about a 25% hit rate on a QB better than Kirk. I just can't rationalize having to give up multiple 1s and a slew of other picks, maybe players? To get a 1/4 chance. It just doesn't make sense. Next off-season the story may change depending on their draft position and the fact you can get off Kirk's cap number in 2023. 

Kirk's extension last season pretty much precluded them from taking a QB until 2022. If one falls to #14 that is a different conversation. But it would be a massive mistake to mortgage the future and pour more into QB now. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
You all make it seem like giving up the farm to draft a replacement is such a "sure thing". 

QB's drafted since 2015 in round 1: 

2015 - Jameis Winston 
2015 - Marcus Mariota
2016 - Jared Goff
2016 - Carson Wentz 
2016 - Paxton Lynch 
2017 - Mitch Trubisky 
2017 - Patrick Mahomes 
2017 - Deshaun Watson 
2018 - Baker Mayfield 
2018 - Josh Allen 
2018 - Josh Rosen 
2018 - Lamar Jackson 
2019 - Kyler Murray 
2019 - Daniel Jones 
2019 - Dwyane Haskins 
2020 - Joe Burrow 
2020 - Tua Tagovailoa 
2020 - Justin Herbert 

So you have 18 QBs there with 5 being considerably better than Cousins with maybe another 2 (Murray/Burrow) who may be. So about a 25% hit rate on a QB better than Kirk. I just can't rationalize having to give up multiple 1s and a slew of other picks, maybe players? To get a 1/4 chance. It just doesn't make sense. Next off-season the story may change depending on their draft position and the fact you can get off Kirk's cap number in 2023. 

Kirk's extension last season pretty much precluded them from taking a QB until 2022. If one falls to #14 that is a different conversation. But it would be a massive mistake to mortgage the future and pour more into QB now. 

The thing is that next year, the QB class does not look as good as this year.  I mean, is Sam Howell going to be worth a pick.  Spencer Rattler?  Desmond Riddler?

You miss every shot you do not take.

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@MarkSP18 said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:
You all make it seem like giving up the farm to draft a replacement is such a "sure thing". 

QB's drafted since 2015 in round 1: 

2015 - Jameis Winston 
2015 - Marcus Mariota
2016 - Jared Goff
2016 - Carson Wentz 
2016 - Paxton Lynch 
2017 - Mitch Trubisky 
2017 - Patrick Mahomes 
2017 - Deshaun Watson 
2018 - Baker Mayfield 
2018 - Josh Allen 
2018 - Josh Rosen 
2018 - Lamar Jackson 
2019 - Kyler Murray 
2019 - Daniel Jones 
2019 - Dwyane Haskins 
2020 - Joe Burrow 
2020 - Tua Tagovailoa 
2020 - Justin Herbert 

So you have 18 QBs there with 5 being considerably better than Cousins with maybe another 2 (Murray/Burrow) who may be. So about a 25% hit rate on a QB better than Kirk. I just can't rationalize having to give up multiple 1s and a slew of other picks, maybe players? To get a 1/4 chance. It just doesn't make sense. Next off-season the story may change depending on their draft position and the fact you can get off Kirk's cap number in 2023. 

Kirk's extension last season pretty much precluded them from taking a QB until 2022. If one falls to #14 that is a different conversation. But it would be a massive mistake to mortgage the future and pour more into QB now. 

The thing is that next year, the QB class does not look as good as this year.  I mean, is Sam Howell going to be worth a pick.  Spencer Rattler?  Desmond Riddler?

You miss every shot you do not take.

Everyone said last years QB class was going to suck too and Burrow/Herbert look like franchise guys. The truth is we don't know. 

I agree you miss every shot you don't take, but you also miss the majority from half-court too. 

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Kirk Cousins is the least of our worries. Our offense is competitive and puts points on the board. They can’t play defense though. 
I don’t care how good your QB is, without a defense you’re not going to the playoffs. 
The secret playoff sauce isn’t the Vikings QB. We have a good enough QB to win a title. We had no pass rush and a poor defense this past year. That’s 100% why we didn’t make the damn playoffs. People talk about excuses. Blaming the lack of playoffs on Cousins is completely an excuse. It’s an excuse for a coach and GM not putting out a balanced team or adjusting their defense to an effective scheme. With a good defense, we were competitive for a championship last year. Unless our defense improves greatly, we will see the same season next year. Regardless of the flipping QB.

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@MarkSP18 said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:
You all make it seem like giving up the farm to draft a replacement is such a "sure thing". 

QB's drafted since 2015 in round 1: 

2015 - Jameis Winston 
2015 - Marcus Mariota
2016 - Jared Goff
2016 - Carson Wentz 
2016 - Paxton Lynch 
2017 - Mitch Trubisky 
2017 - Patrick Mahomes 
2017 - Deshaun Watson 
2018 - Baker Mayfield 
2018 - Josh Allen 
2018 - Josh Rosen 
2018 - Lamar Jackson 
2019 - Kyler Murray 
2019 - Daniel Jones 
2019 - Dwyane Haskins 
2020 - Joe Burrow 
2020 - Tua Tagovailoa 
2020 - Justin Herbert 

So you have 18 QBs there with 5 being considerably better than Cousins with maybe another 2 (Murray/Burrow) who may be. So about a 25% hit rate on a QB better than Kirk. I just can't rationalize having to give up multiple 1s and a slew of other picks, maybe players? To get a 1/4 chance. It just doesn't make sense. Next off-season the story may change depending on their draft position and the fact you can get off Kirk's cap number in 2023. 

Kirk's extension last season pretty much precluded them from taking a QB until 2022. If one falls to #14 that is a different conversation. But it would be a massive mistake to mortgage the future and pour more into QB now. 

The thing is that next year, the QB class does not look as good as this year.  I mean, is Sam Howell going to be worth a pick.  Spencer Rattler?  Desmond Riddler?

You miss every shot you do not take.

Everyone said last years QB class was going to suck too and Burrow/Herbert look like franchise guys. The truth is we don't know. 

I agree you miss every shot you don't take, but you also miss the majority from half-court too. 

Truth be told, you miss half the layups too.

The Kirk-is-dirt crowd won't like to hear this, but the Vikings are doing this right. They already made the basket. They already have a remarkably durable QB plenty capable of winning a Super Bowl, as imperfect as he might be. You don't cash that in on a roll of the dice. That would be incredibly foolish. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
You all make it seem like giving up the farm to draft a replacement is such a "sure thing". 

QB's drafted since 2015 in round 1: 

2015 - Jameis Winston 
2015 - Marcus Mariota
2016 - Jared Goff
2016 - Carson Wentz 
2016 - Paxton Lynch 
2017 - Mitch Trubisky 
2017 - Patrick Mahomes 
2017 - Deshaun Watson 
2018 - Baker Mayfield 
2018 - Josh Allen 
2018 - Josh Rosen 
2018 - Lamar Jackson 
2019 - Kyler Murray 
2019 - Daniel Jones 
2019 - Dwyane Haskins 
2020 - Joe Burrow 
2020 - Tua Tagovailoa 
2020 - Justin Herbert 

So you have 18 QBs there with 5 being considerably better than Cousins with maybe another 2 (Murray/Burrow) who may be. So about a 25% hit rate on a QB better than Kirk. I just can't rationalize having to give up multiple 1s and a slew of other picks, maybe players? To get a 1/4 chance. It just doesn't make sense. Next off-season the story may change depending on their draft position and the fact you can get off Kirk's cap number in 2023. 

Kirk's extension last season pretty much precluded them from taking a QB until 2022. If one falls to #14 that is a different conversation. But it would be a massive mistake to mortgage the future and pour more into QB now. 

Never indicated it was a sure thing at all.  It is very risky just like all draft picks but more so to move up giving up capital.  But we can do what we have always done and hope at the exact time we need a QB he is there next year or the next year after that.  With this very deep pool (potential largest number of QB's taken in the first round in 4 decades) and our position I propose taking that risk if he right guy is there at 5.  Risky...hell yea!  I will add some to your 25% hit rate....with 6 to chose from the hit rate might be higher then 25%.  Let's say 3 out of 6 maybe.  But that is where your scouting comes into play.  In our past we waited to reach for a QB because we needed one and had to draft one.  So you end evaluating a pool of mediocre choices (supply/demand) Demand equals reaches.  Do it now regardless of Cousins and his contract that is a sunk cost.  I will also repeat that I think Kirk can get us to the big dance.  I am not anti- Kirk at all.  But I don't want to look back in 3 years and say man we could have had__________ Wilson/Fields???   You gotta pay to play and if I ever take a chance it has to be at the QB position!

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Maybe we should repurpose the Sensitive Topics board for Remedial Football 101. 

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I’m just getting a chance to start reviewing the QB’s. I’ve started with guys reportedly expected to be there at our first pick. So far I would take Mac Jones if available. I’d move up for him. Trey Lance is crazy insane overrated. I have to watch more tape on him, but I see no reason he’s a first round pick thus far. I wouldn’t consider him until the 3rd round so far based on the tape. 

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@"BarrNone55" said:
Maybe we should repurpose the Sensitive Topics board for Remedial Football 101. 

come on man...  cant we just all get along?

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@"BarrNone55" said:
Kirk lead us to a 1-5 start?

The D gave up 32 a game!

Lol.

So 10 interceptions had nothing to do with it, not to mention putting the defense in a hole repeatedly?  And you find it so absurd as a possibility that you laugh?  Amazing.  There is so much more to this narrative on how he is the chosen one to some.