Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mblack said:
- Many (myself included) don't think building a wall across the entire border (as was promised) makes any sense especially when Mexico is not paying for it (as was promised and re-iterated multiple times).
This is why Trumpers are cult members: they NEVER blame the guy for anything he's said and not lived up to. Even people that have voted for former Presidents disagree at times and call them out on their unfulfilled promises. Not Trumpers. Its always 'what about...?' or 'look over there!' Its just stupid.
I was never dumb enough to think he meant they would write a check and actually pay for it, he reworked a horrible nafta trade deal that should put more money in US coffers that would be used to keep unwanted illegals out and pay for that wall.
As far as migrant labor, no issues here at all as long as they go through channels, hell I say if they can prove they will come here and be law abiding and productive workers give them a legit path to citizenship, but don't just make every illegal here a citizen with the stroke of a pen, make them register and follow a path, and make those that don't pay dearly.
Our country needs cheap labor, and that doesn't just go for foreign labor, the same goes for US born people who make poor decisions. No reason why a high school drop out isn't out there picking strawberries or what ever with those migrant workers. Maybe it would reinstill some of what made this country great in future generations instead of becoming a nation of tit babies.
He said Mexico will pay for it. Not indirectly and many people went with it... how naive. By the way the nafta you said he renegotiated did not pay for the wall. Mexico did not lose any money that was diverted to the wall.
The last I checked the wall was paid by us Trump imposed some tarrifs but I bet he does not know how tarrifs work ( i hope you do). Imposing tarrifs means anyone buying a Mexican product pays more. So the Americans pay for the wall via terrifs. Again there was no provision in his nafta deal for the wall so please stop with the lame talking points.
Lastly, it is really pointless having a discussion when people don't even bother to own or revisit their earlier statements but just move on or make more excuses.
1. Your title was beyond misleading
2. When I point out that Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall you say you were never dumb to think Mexico would write a check. Did he make the statement or not?
3. You now seem to compare a useless wall to virus that has ravaged the country and is till doing do.
I hope you see the trend.
68 billion dollar increase in US GDP and 176,000 new jobs in the US, as a result of the trade agreement. Thats what was meant by paying for the wall, again I never expected Mexico would write a check, why would they and how could they have been forced to?
That was not what he meant. The only way you come to that conclusion is if you are a mind reader. Nice try rewriting history. You are asking the questions to the wrong person.
Ask Trump
Again you are citing US growth numbers and US job (assuming the numbers are correct) as how the wall was paid for right?
Let me guess... these jobs were taken from Mexico. Good grief. Hint USMCA has more than Mexico. So I guess Canada also paid for the wall right?
The lengths people will go to defend stupidity.
NAFTA was a disaster for farmers. Trump fixed many of the wrongs.
Let me give you a real example. Canada dumps milk on America like crazy. They have a quota system there that only allows so much fluid milk per farmer which creates an artificial price floor. Canada and America had agreed upon what dairy products could and couldn't be sold to each other in the 90s NAFTA agreement. After the NAFTA was struck Canada invented a new "class" of milk so they could dump unlimited quantities of ultra refined milk products on American processors used in cheese and butter making causing American prices to plunge. It was and is complete bullshit. If you're going to invent trade loopholes there should be a means to correct them.
I will always maintain that Trump did positive things for America. Was it worth the constant barrage of tweets? Thats for later generations to figure out.
Not for corn and bean farmers, from 2018 to 2020, Trump came to IA and dumped a pant loads of cash to shore up his base. They really hate communism in these parts.
Trump sends nearly $1 billion to Iowa farmers to help stem trade losses. It's the second-largest amount, nationally Donnelle Eller
Yep. One slack jawed yokel's 'socialism' sure changes when said slack jawed yokel benefits. Like I said, we live in a world of hypocrites that don't recognize they are hypocrites. Left, Right, Democrat and Republican.
They have been weaponized, you live in Iowa, I think. Highest turnout ever, no issues out of the ordinary, GOP had a great election, but what is the highest priority for the legislature. Instill new voting constraints, what a bunch of tools. Don't get me started, the Kim Reaper .......
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mblack said:
- Many (myself included) don't think building a wall across the entire border (as was promised) makes any sense especially when Mexico is not paying for it (as was promised and re-iterated multiple times).
This is why Trumpers are cult members: they NEVER blame the guy for anything he's said and not lived up to. Even people that have voted for former Presidents disagree at times and call them out on their unfulfilled promises. Not Trumpers. Its always 'what about...?' or 'look over there!' Its just stupid.
I was never dumb enough to think he meant they would write a check and actually pay for it, he reworked a horrible nafta trade deal that should put more money in US coffers that would be used to keep unwanted illegals out and pay for that wall.
As far as migrant labor, no issues here at all as long as they go through channels, hell I say if they can prove they will come here and be law abiding and productive workers give them a legit path to citizenship, but don't just make every illegal here a citizen with the stroke of a pen, make them register and follow a path, and make those that don't pay dearly.
Our country needs cheap labor, and that doesn't just go for foreign labor, the same goes for US born people who make poor decisions. No reason why a high school drop out isn't out there picking strawberries or what ever with those migrant workers. Maybe it would reinstill some of what made this country great in future generations instead of becoming a nation of tit babies.
He said Mexico will pay for it. Not indirectly and many people went with it... how naive. By the way the nafta you said he renegotiated did not pay for the wall. Mexico did not lose any money that was diverted to the wall.
The last I checked the wall was paid by us Trump imposed some tarrifs but I bet he does not know how tarrifs work ( i hope you do). Imposing tarrifs means anyone buying a Mexican product pays more. So the Americans pay for the wall via terrifs. Again there was no provision in his nafta deal for the wall so please stop with the lame talking points.
Lastly, it is really pointless having a discussion when people don't even bother to own or revisit their earlier statements but just move on or make more excuses.
1. Your title was beyond misleading
2. When I point out that Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall you say you were never dumb to think Mexico would write a check. Did he make the statement or not?
3. You now seem to compare a useless wall to virus that has ravaged the country and is till doing do.
I hope you see the trend.
68 billion dollar increase in US GDP and 176,000 new jobs in the US, as a result of the trade agreement. Thats what was meant by paying for the wall, again I never expected Mexico would write a check, why would they and how could they have been forced to?
That was not what he meant. The only way you come to that conclusion is if you are a mind reader. Nice try rewriting history. You are asking the questions to the wrong person.
Ask Trump
Again you are citing US growth numbers and US job (assuming the numbers are correct) as how the wall was paid for right?
Let me guess... these jobs were taken from Mexico. Good grief. Hint USMCA has more than Mexico. So I guess Canada also paid for the wall right?
The lengths people will go to defend stupidity.
NAFTA was a disaster for farmers. Trump fixed many of the wrongs.
Let me give you a real example. Canada dumps milk on America like crazy. They have a quota system there that only allows so much fluid milk per farmer which creates an artificial price floor. Canada and America had agreed upon what dairy products could and couldn't be sold to each other in the 90s NAFTA agreement. After the NAFTA was struck Canada invented a new "class" of milk so they could dump unlimited quantities of ultra refined milk products on American processors used in cheese and butter making causing American prices to plunge. It was and is complete bullshit. If you're going to invent trade loopholes there should be a means to correct them.
I will always maintain that Trump did positive things for America. Was it worth the constant barrage of tweets? Thats for later generations to figure out.
Not for corn and bean farmers, from 2018 to 2020, Trump came to IA and dumped a pant loads of cash to shore up his base. They really hate communism in these parts.
Trump sends nearly $1 billion to Iowa farmers to help stem trade losses. It's the second-largest amount, nationally Donnelle Eller
Yep. One slack jawed yokel's 'socialism' sure changes when said slack jawed yokel benefits. Like I said, we live in a world of hypocrites that don't recognize they are hypocrites. Left, Right, Democrat and Republican.
As has been stated. I grew up on a darm so its in my blood so to speak.
Without sounding like I’m talking out ofboth sides of my mouth. Im against farm subsidies. I do however acknowledge that the federal goverment has ran a “cheap food policy” since the great depresion/ww2 timeframe. By encouraging over production with farm subsidies theyve kept food plentiful and available to everyone cheaper then just about every other nation on Earth.
As to whether this is good, bad or indifferent, by spending comperatively less then other 1st world nations for our food supply it allowed us to use that saved money and be one of the best most free places on the planet.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mblack said:
- Many (myself included) don't think building a wall across the entire border (as was promised) makes any sense especially when Mexico is not paying for it (as was promised and re-iterated multiple times).
This is why Trumpers are cult members: they NEVER blame the guy for anything he's said and not lived up to. Even people that have voted for former Presidents disagree at times and call them out on their unfulfilled promises. Not Trumpers. Its always 'what about...?' or 'look over there!' Its just stupid.
I was never dumb enough to think he meant they would write a check and actually pay for it, he reworked a horrible nafta trade deal that should put more money in US coffers that would be used to keep unwanted illegals out and pay for that wall.
As far as migrant labor, no issues here at all as long as they go through channels, hell I say if they can prove they will come here and be law abiding and productive workers give them a legit path to citizenship, but don't just make every illegal here a citizen with the stroke of a pen, make them register and follow a path, and make those that don't pay dearly.
Our country needs cheap labor, and that doesn't just go for foreign labor, the same goes for US born people who make poor decisions. No reason why a high school drop out isn't out there picking strawberries or what ever with those migrant workers. Maybe it would reinstill some of what made this country great in future generations instead of becoming a nation of tit babies.
He said Mexico will pay for it. Not indirectly and many people went with it... how naive. By the way the nafta you said he renegotiated did not pay for the wall. Mexico did not lose any money that was diverted to the wall.
The last I checked the wall was paid by us Trump imposed some tarrifs but I bet he does not know how tarrifs work ( i hope you do). Imposing tarrifs means anyone buying a Mexican product pays more. So the Americans pay for the wall via terrifs. Again there was no provision in his nafta deal for the wall so please stop with the lame talking points.
Lastly, it is really pointless having a discussion when people don't even bother to own or revisit their earlier statements but just move on or make more excuses.
1. Your title was beyond misleading
2. When I point out that Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall you say you were never dumb to think Mexico would write a check. Did he make the statement or not?
3. You now seem to compare a useless wall to virus that has ravaged the country and is till doing do.
I hope you see the trend.
68 billion dollar increase in US GDP and 176,000 new jobs in the US, as a result of the trade agreement. Thats what was meant by paying for the wall, again I never expected Mexico would write a check, why would they and how could they have been forced to?
That was not what he meant. The only way you come to that conclusion is if you are a mind reader. Nice try rewriting history. You are asking the questions to the wrong person.
Ask Trump
Again you are citing US growth numbers and US job (assuming the numbers are correct) as how the wall was paid for right?
Let me guess... these jobs were taken from Mexico. Good grief. Hint USMCA has more than Mexico. So I guess Canada also paid for the wall right?
The lengths people will go to defend stupidity.
NAFTA was a disaster for farmers. Trump fixed many of the wrongs.
Let me give you a real example. Canada dumps milk on America like crazy. They have a quota system there that only allows so much fluid milk per farmer which creates an artificial price floor. Canada and America had agreed upon what dairy products could and couldn't be sold to each other in the 90s NAFTA agreement. After the NAFTA was struck Canada invented a new "class" of milk so they could dump unlimited quantities of ultra refined milk products on American processors used in cheese and butter making causing American prices to plunge. It was and is complete bullshit. If you're going to invent trade loopholes there should be a means to correct them.
I will always maintain that Trump did positive things for America. Was it worth the constant barrage of tweets? Thats for later generations to figure out.
Not for corn and bean farmers, from 2018 to 2020, Trump came to IA and dumped a pant loads of cash to shore up his base. They really hate communism in these parts.
Trump sends nearly $1 billion to Iowa farmers to help stem trade losses. It's the second-largest amount, nationally Donnelle Eller
Yep. One slack jawed yokel's 'socialism' sure changes when said slack jawed yokel benefits. Like I said, we live in a world of hypocrites that don't recognize they are hypocrites. Left, Right, Democrat and Republican.
As has been stated. I grew up on a darm so its in my blood so to speak.
Without sounding like I’m talking out ofboth sides of my mouth. Im against farm subsidies. I do however acknowledge that the federal goverment has ran a “cheap food policy” since the great depresion/ww2 timeframe. By encouraging over production with farm subsidies theyve kept food plentiful and available to everyone cheaper then just about every other nation on Earth.
As to whether this is good, bad or indifferent, by spending comperatively less then other 1st world nations for our food supply it allowed us to use that saved money and be one of the best most free places on the planet.
Farm subsidies act like regressive taxes. They help high-income corporations, not poor rural farmers. Most of the money goes toward large agribusinesses. Between 1995 and 2019, the top 10% of recipients received 78% of the $223.5 billion doled out. The top 1% received 26% of the payments.
This is good? Your bias is showing. Or your understanding level is low. And I mean that in a way that truly you didn't realize where most of the subsidies go.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mblack said:
- Many (myself included) don't think building a wall across the entire border (as was promised) makes any sense especially when Mexico is not paying for it (as was promised and re-iterated multiple times).
This is why Trumpers are cult members: they NEVER blame the guy for anything he's said and not lived up to. Even people that have voted for former Presidents disagree at times and call them out on their unfulfilled promises. Not Trumpers. Its always 'what about...?' or 'look over there!' Its just stupid.
I was never dumb enough to think he meant they would write a check and actually pay for it, he reworked a horrible nafta trade deal that should put more money in US coffers that would be used to keep unwanted illegals out and pay for that wall.
As far as migrant labor, no issues here at all as long as they go through channels, hell I say if they can prove they will come here and be law abiding and productive workers give them a legit path to citizenship, but don't just make every illegal here a citizen with the stroke of a pen, make them register and follow a path, and make those that don't pay dearly.
Our country needs cheap labor, and that doesn't just go for foreign labor, the same goes for US born people who make poor decisions. No reason why a high school drop out isn't out there picking strawberries or what ever with those migrant workers. Maybe it would reinstill some of what made this country great in future generations instead of becoming a nation of tit babies.
He said Mexico will pay for it. Not indirectly and many people went with it... how naive. By the way the nafta you said he renegotiated did not pay for the wall. Mexico did not lose any money that was diverted to the wall.
The last I checked the wall was paid by us Trump imposed some tarrifs but I bet he does not know how tarrifs work ( i hope you do). Imposing tarrifs means anyone buying a Mexican product pays more. So the Americans pay for the wall via terrifs. Again there was no provision in his nafta deal for the wall so please stop with the lame talking points.
Lastly, it is really pointless having a discussion when people don't even bother to own or revisit their earlier statements but just move on or make more excuses.
1. Your title was beyond misleading
2. When I point out that Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall you say you were never dumb to think Mexico would write a check. Did he make the statement or not?
3. You now seem to compare a useless wall to virus that has ravaged the country and is till doing do.
I hope you see the trend.
68 billion dollar increase in US GDP and 176,000 new jobs in the US, as a result of the trade agreement. Thats what was meant by paying for the wall, again I never expected Mexico would write a check, why would they and how could they have been forced to?
That was not what he meant. The only way you come to that conclusion is if you are a mind reader. Nice try rewriting history. You are asking the questions to the wrong person.
Ask Trump
Again you are citing US growth numbers and US job (assuming the numbers are correct) as how the wall was paid for right?
Let me guess... these jobs were taken from Mexico. Good grief. Hint USMCA has more than Mexico. So I guess Canada also paid for the wall right?
The lengths people will go to defend stupidity.
NAFTA was a disaster for farmers. Trump fixed many of the wrongs.
Let me give you a real example. Canada dumps milk on America like crazy. They have a quota system there that only allows so much fluid milk per farmer which creates an artificial price floor. Canada and America had agreed upon what dairy products could and couldn't be sold to each other in the 90s NAFTA agreement. After the NAFTA was struck Canada invented a new "class" of milk so they could dump unlimited quantities of ultra refined milk products on American processors used in cheese and butter making causing American prices to plunge. It was and is complete bullshit. If you're going to invent trade loopholes there should be a means to correct them.
I will always maintain that Trump did positive things for America. Was it worth the constant barrage of tweets? Thats for later generations to figure out.
Not for corn and bean farmers, from 2018 to 2020, Trump came to IA and dumped a pant loads of cash to shore up his base. They really hate communism in these parts.
Trump sends nearly $1 billion to Iowa farmers to help stem trade losses. It's the second-largest amount, nationally Donnelle Eller
Yep. One slack jawed yokel's 'socialism' sure changes when said slack jawed yokel benefits. Like I said, we live in a world of hypocrites that don't recognize they are hypocrites. Left, Right, Democrat and Republican.
As has been stated. I grew up on a darm so its in my blood so to speak.
Without sounding like I’m talking out ofboth sides of my mouth. Im against farm subsidies. I do however acknowledge that the federal goverment has ran a “cheap food policy” since the great depresion/ww2 timeframe. By encouraging over production with farm subsidies theyve kept food plentiful and available to everyone cheaper then just about every other nation on Earth.
As to whether this is good, bad or indifferent, by spending comperatively less then other 1st world nations for our food supply it allowed us to use that saved money and be one of the best most free places on the planet.
Farm subsidies act like regressive taxes. They help high-income corporations, not poor rural farmers. Most of the money goes toward large agribusinesses. Between 1995 and 2019, the top 10% of recipients received 78% of the $223.5 billion doled out. The top 1% received 26% of the payments.
This is good? Your bias is showing. Or your understanding level is low. And I mean that in a way that truly you didn't realize where most of the subsidies go.
"Im against farm subsidies."
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mblack said:
- Many (myself included) don't think building a wall across the entire border (as was promised) makes any sense especially when Mexico is not paying for it (as was promised and re-iterated multiple times).
This is why Trumpers are cult members: they NEVER blame the guy for anything he's said and not lived up to. Even people that have voted for former Presidents disagree at times and call them out on their unfulfilled promises. Not Trumpers. Its always 'what about...?' or 'look over there!' Its just stupid.
I was never dumb enough to think he meant they would write a check and actually pay for it, he reworked a horrible nafta trade deal that should put more money in US coffers that would be used to keep unwanted illegals out and pay for that wall.
As far as migrant labor, no issues here at all as long as they go through channels, hell I say if they can prove they will come here and be law abiding and productive workers give them a legit path to citizenship, but don't just make every illegal here a citizen with the stroke of a pen, make them register and follow a path, and make those that don't pay dearly.
Our country needs cheap labor, and that doesn't just go for foreign labor, the same goes for US born people who make poor decisions. No reason why a high school drop out isn't out there picking strawberries or what ever with those migrant workers. Maybe it would reinstill some of what made this country great in future generations instead of becoming a nation of tit babies.
He said Mexico will pay for it. Not indirectly and many people went with it... how naive. By the way the nafta you said he renegotiated did not pay for the wall. Mexico did not lose any money that was diverted to the wall.
The last I checked the wall was paid by us Trump imposed some tarrifs but I bet he does not know how tarrifs work ( i hope you do). Imposing tarrifs means anyone buying a Mexican product pays more. So the Americans pay for the wall via terrifs. Again there was no provision in his nafta deal for the wall so please stop with the lame talking points.
Lastly, it is really pointless having a discussion when people don't even bother to own or revisit their earlier statements but just move on or make more excuses.
1. Your title was beyond misleading
2. When I point out that Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall you say you were never dumb to think Mexico would write a check. Did he make the statement or not?
3. You now seem to compare a useless wall to virus that has ravaged the country and is till doing do.
I hope you see the trend.
68 billion dollar increase in US GDP and 176,000 new jobs in the US, as a result of the trade agreement. Thats what was meant by paying for the wall, again I never expected Mexico would write a check, why would they and how could they have been forced to?
That was not what he meant. The only way you come to that conclusion is if you are a mind reader. Nice try rewriting history. You are asking the questions to the wrong person.
Ask Trump
Again you are citing US growth numbers and US job (assuming the numbers are correct) as how the wall was paid for right?
Let me guess... these jobs were taken from Mexico. Good grief. Hint USMCA has more than Mexico. So I guess Canada also paid for the wall right?
The lengths people will go to defend stupidity.
NAFTA was a disaster for farmers. Trump fixed many of the wrongs.
Let me give you a real example. Canada dumps milk on America like crazy. They have a quota system there that only allows so much fluid milk per farmer which creates an artificial price floor. Canada and America had agreed upon what dairy products could and couldn't be sold to each other in the 90s NAFTA agreement. After the NAFTA was struck Canada invented a new "class" of milk so they could dump unlimited quantities of ultra refined milk products on American processors used in cheese and butter making causing American prices to plunge. It was and is complete bullshit. If you're going to invent trade loopholes there should be a means to correct them.
I will always maintain that Trump did positive things for America. Was it worth the constant barrage of tweets? Thats for later generations to figure out.
Not for corn and bean farmers, from 2018 to 2020, Trump came to IA and dumped a pant loads of cash to shore up his base. They really hate communism in these parts.
Trump sends nearly $1 billion to Iowa farmers to help stem trade losses. It's the second-largest amount, nationally Donnelle Eller
Yep. One slack jawed yokel's 'socialism' sure changes when said slack jawed yokel benefits. Like I said, we live in a world of hypocrites that don't recognize they are hypocrites. Left, Right, Democrat and Republican.
As has been stated. I grew up on a darm so its in my blood so to speak.
Without sounding like I’m talking out ofboth sides of my mouth. Im against farm subsidies. I do however acknowledge that the federal goverment has ran a “cheap food policy” since the great depresion/ww2 timeframe. By encouraging over production with farm subsidies theyve kept food plentiful and available to everyone cheaper then just about every other nation on Earth.
As to whether this is good, bad or indifferent, by spending comperatively less then other 1st world nations for our food supply it allowed us to use that saved money and be one of the best most free places on the planet.
Farm subsidies act like regressive taxes. They help high-income corporations, not poor rural farmers. Most of the money goes toward large agribusinesses. Between 1995 and 2019, the top 10% of recipients received 78% of the $223.5 billion doled out. The top 1% received 26% of the payments.
This is good? Your bias is showing. Or your understanding level is low. And I mean that in a way that truly you didn't realize where most of the subsidies go.
Who receives the money is inconsequential. The food is produced. The people eat it. AGAIN LET ME BE CLEAR. I am against farm subsidies.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mblack said:
- Many (myself included) don't think building a wall across the entire border (as was promised) makes any sense especially when Mexico is not paying for it (as was promised and re-iterated multiple times).
This is why Trumpers are cult members: they NEVER blame the guy for anything he's said and not lived up to. Even people that have voted for former Presidents disagree at times and call them out on their unfulfilled promises. Not Trumpers. Its always 'what about...?' or 'look over there!' Its just stupid.
I was never dumb enough to think he meant they would write a check and actually pay for it, he reworked a horrible nafta trade deal that should put more money in US coffers that would be used to keep unwanted illegals out and pay for that wall.
As far as migrant labor, no issues here at all as long as they go through channels, hell I say if they can prove they will come here and be law abiding and productive workers give them a legit path to citizenship, but don't just make every illegal here a citizen with the stroke of a pen, make them register and follow a path, and make those that don't pay dearly.
Our country needs cheap labor, and that doesn't just go for foreign labor, the same goes for US born people who make poor decisions. No reason why a high school drop out isn't out there picking strawberries or what ever with those migrant workers. Maybe it would reinstill some of what made this country great in future generations instead of becoming a nation of tit babies.
He said Mexico will pay for it. Not indirectly and many people went with it... how naive. By the way the nafta you said he renegotiated did not pay for the wall. Mexico did not lose any money that was diverted to the wall.
The last I checked the wall was paid by us Trump imposed some tarrifs but I bet he does not know how tarrifs work ( i hope you do). Imposing tarrifs means anyone buying a Mexican product pays more. So the Americans pay for the wall via terrifs. Again there was no provision in his nafta deal for the wall so please stop with the lame talking points.
Lastly, it is really pointless having a discussion when people don't even bother to own or revisit their earlier statements but just move on or make more excuses.
1. Your title was beyond misleading
2. When I point out that Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall you say you were never dumb to think Mexico would write a check. Did he make the statement or not?
3. You now seem to compare a useless wall to virus that has ravaged the country and is till doing do.
I hope you see the trend.
68 billion dollar increase in US GDP and 176,000 new jobs in the US, as a result of the trade agreement. Thats what was meant by paying for the wall, again I never expected Mexico would write a check, why would they and how could they have been forced to?
That was not what he meant. The only way you come to that conclusion is if you are a mind reader. Nice try rewriting history. You are asking the questions to the wrong person.
Ask Trump
Again you are citing US growth numbers and US job (assuming the numbers are correct) as how the wall was paid for right?
Let me guess... these jobs were taken from Mexico. Good grief. Hint USMCA has more than Mexico. So I guess Canada also paid for the wall right?
The lengths people will go to defend stupidity.
NAFTA was a disaster for farmers. Trump fixed many of the wrongs.
Let me give you a real example. Canada dumps milk on America like crazy. They have a quota system there that only allows so much fluid milk per farmer which creates an artificial price floor. Canada and America had agreed upon what dairy products could and couldn't be sold to each other in the 90s NAFTA agreement. After the NAFTA was struck Canada invented a new "class" of milk so they could dump unlimited quantities of ultra refined milk products on American pr Who receives the money is inconsequential. The food is produced. The people eat it. AGAIN LET ME BE CLEAR. I am against farm subsidies.
LMAO. Wow. That's quite the tagline. 'Hey guys, who receives the bank bailout money for their own greed and mistakes and how much is inconsequential....the economy is saved'. I am against bank bailouts.
It's 99% field corn, 53% is used for ethanol, the rest is primarily used for livestock feed, so people are not the primary consumer.
Soy beans are mostly used for feed, Poultry Pigs and Beef. Humans consume tofu and edamame appetizers. Then you have Biodiesel. That's domestic uses between 52 and 44 % is exported.
So a very small portion of Iowa farm field economy are used for primary food products, not directly feeding a lot of folk, just the markets.
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It's 99% field corn, 53% is used for ethanol, the rest is primarily used for livestock feed, so people are not the primary consumer.
Soy beans are mostly used for feed, Poultry Pigs and Beef. Humans consume tofu and edamame appetizers. Then you have Biodiesel. That's domestic uses between 52 and 44 % is exported.
So a very small portion of Iowa farm field economy are used for primary food products, not directly feeding a lot of folk, just the markets.
Oh, agree ethanol and bio diesel are complete bullshit. Never should have happened.
In fairness though, people do use the ethanol and eat the animals that those crops are used in. We dont produce those product for fun. So who eats the field corn etc first doesnt really matter does it?
Again, I’m not in favor of the subsidy programs. Its origins can be found within the cheap food policy put forth following the GD. I’m in favor of terminating the programs asap.
And whose the largest farmer in the US now? Those subsidies aren't going anywhere now.
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