Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
Well, I guess that's that. Geoff, let me ask you this...what's the general consensus inside the building regarding Cousins (meaning from management, coaches, players)? Is it mostly positive, and does the team believe Cousins is the guy to take them to a Super Bowl?
Depends who you ask. Nobody thinks Kirk is perfect, he isn't. But he didn't limit the team this season. Injuries and flawed personnel on the defensive side did.
So while you can probably do better than Kirk you probably need to run it back with him to see what happens this season. So while I heard they have no interest in trading him maybe seeing what the Rams offered opened a slight door for someone to feel desperate? But at the end of the day trading Kirk creates more problems than it solves. Top 5 QBs never come available, top 10 QBs hardly come available, and top 15 QBs move once and awhile.
Aside from Spielman/Zimmer needing a strong season I don't think the Wilf's would be thrilled to get the call suggesting they sunk $45M into a single season (2020) of Kirk Cousins.
While the Vikings did redo Cousins' deal prior to this season, he had 30 mil coming no matter what.
So they really did NOT sink 45M into Cousins in 2020. They gave him an extra 10 mil so far.
In 3 years, Cousins has received 94M from the Vikings which is 31.333M per year and not really that much.
The Wilfs received 255M in revenue sharing in 2017.
They received 274.3M in revenue sharing in 2018.
They received 296M in revenue sharing in 2019.
They also had gate receipts and other revenue.
It is doubtful that they have to spend too much of their own money anymore and the value of the team has skyrocketed.
Worrying about the Wilfs paying players who then leave should be the least of anyone's worry.
Remember when the word inside the Viking organization was that they were not trading Diggs, kind of like when they said they weren't trading Harvin.
Quote: @Zanary said:
I really hope that everyone babbling endlessly about trading our QB is cripplingly disappointed, and that he has his best season by miles.
I've certainly seen whacko QB hatred among Vikings fans, but this is a whole new...low.
I'd say it got more personal/venomous toward Culpepper.
Quote: @Zanary said:
I really hope that everyone babbling endlessly about trading our QB is cripplingly disappointed, and that he has his best season by miles.
I've certainly seen whacko QB hatred among Vikings fans, but this is a whole new...low.
yeah, I don't get it either. I like Cousins, but get him some GD protection.
The guy is under duress every game, good arm strength, generally makes good decisions, isn't boastful, but goes about his job like a professional. I would argue, that indeed he is a "top ten QB".
Maybe if our defense could hold teams to under 30 points (accounting for 6 losses this past season) ...
Cousins isn't going anywhere
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
Well, I guess that's that. Geoff, let me ask you this...what's the general consensus inside the building regarding Cousins (meaning from management, coaches, players)? Is it mostly positive, and does the team believe Cousins is the guy to take them to a Super Bowl?
Depends who you ask. Nobody thinks Kirk is perfect, he isn't. But he didn't limit the team this season. Injuries and flawed personnel on the defensive side did.
So while you can probably do better than Kirk you probably need to run it back with him to see what happens this season. So while I heard they have no interest in trading him maybe seeing what the Rams offered opened a slight door for someone to feel desperate? But at the end of the day trading Kirk creates more problems than it solves. Top 5 QBs never come available, top 10 QBs hardly come available, and top 15 QBs move once and awhile.
Aside from Spielman/Zimmer needing a strong season I don't think the Wilf's would be thrilled to get the call suggesting they sunk $45M into a single season (2020) of Kirk Cousins.
While the Vikings did redo Cousins' deal prior to this season, he had 30 mil coming no matter what.
So they really did NOT sink 45M into Cousins in 2020. They gave him an extra 10 mil so far.
In 3 years, Cousins has received 94M from the Vikings which is 31.333M per year and not really that much.
The Wilfs received 255M in revenue sharing in 2017.
They received 274.3M in revenue sharing in 2018.
They received 296M in revenue sharing in 2019.
They also had gate receipts and other revenue.
It is doubtful that they have to spend too much of their own money anymore and the value of the team has skyrocketed.
Worrying about the Wilfs paying players who then leave should be the least of anyone's worry.
Nobody has said a word about the wilfs money. This is 100% about the salary cap and being able to assemble a superbowl caliber team within the constraints of said cap both for this coming year and future seasons.
Highest Graded QBs in the 4th quarter this year - 1. Tom Brady 2. Kirk Cousins.
PFF Grade since 2018 - Cousins 7th at 88.9, Jimmy G 22nd at 75.6.
Best on target passers this year - Cousins 1st at 81.3%, Rodgers 2nd at 81.2%
The narrative that Kirk isnt good enough to win a Super Bowl is a pretty lame duck one IMO. The dude needs help, plain and simple. Also, these stats are why I dont see why everyone is like 'Send our first rounder this year, next year, and Kirk for Deshaun". Also, pretty obvious that getting Jimmy G in return for Kirk is a BIG time downgrade.
Quote: @RS Express said:
@ Zanary said:
I really hope that everyone babbling endlessly about trading our QB is cripplingly disappointed, and that he has his best season by miles.
I've certainly seen whacko QB hatred among Vikings fans, but this is a whole new...low.
I'd say it got more personal/venomous toward Culpepper.
Sadly so.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
Well, I guess that's that. Geoff, let me ask you this...what's the general consensus inside the building regarding Cousins (meaning from management, coaches, players)? Is it mostly positive, and does the team believe Cousins is the guy to take them to a Super Bowl?
Depends who you ask. Nobody thinks Kirk is perfect, he isn't. But he didn't limit the team this season. Injuries and flawed personnel on the defensive side did.
So while you can probably do better than Kirk you probably need to run it back with him to see what happens this season. So while I heard they have no interest in trading him maybe seeing what the Rams offered opened a slight door for someone to feel desperate? But at the end of the day trading Kirk creates more problems than it solves. Top 5 QBs never come available, top 10 QBs hardly come available, and top 15 QBs move once and awhile.
Aside from Spielman/Zimmer needing a strong season I don't think the Wilf's would be thrilled to get the call suggesting they sunk $45M into a single season (2020) of Kirk Cousins.
While the Vikings did redo Cousins' deal prior to this season, he had 30 mil coming no matter what.
So they really did NOT sink 45M into Cousins in 2020. They gave him an extra 10 mil so far.
In 3 years, Cousins has received 94M from the Vikings which is 31.333M per year and not really that much.
The Wilfs received 255M in revenue sharing in 2017.
They received 274.3M in revenue sharing in 2018.
They received 296M in revenue sharing in 2019.
They also had gate receipts and other revenue.
It is doubtful that they have to spend too much of their own money anymore and the value of the team has skyrocketed.
Worrying about the Wilfs paying players who then leave should be the least of anyone's worry.
Nobody has said a word about the wilfs money. This is 100% about the salary cap and being able to assemble a superbowl caliber team within the constraints of said cap both for this coming year and future seasons.
I bolded the part where Geoff said the Wilfs would not be thrilled sinking $45M into a single season.
My response was that Cousins already had $30M coming even if they did nothing.
I said they only added $10M and that the 3 year total received by Cousins was $94M.
I thought Geoff's numbers were wrong and said as much.
As to the Wilfs not being thrilled, well, that is why I showed what they received in revenue sharing and how they really are NOT spending any of their own money besides for what they did for the stadium.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
Well, I guess that's that. Geoff, let me ask you this...what's the general consensus inside the building regarding Cousins (meaning from management, coaches, players)? Is it mostly positive, and does the team believe Cousins is the guy to take them to a Super Bowl?
Depends who you ask. Nobody thinks Kirk is perfect, he isn't. But he didn't limit the team this season. Injuries and flawed personnel on the defensive side did.
So while you can probably do better than Kirk you probably need to run it back with him to see what happens this season. So while I heard they have no interest in trading him maybe seeing what the Rams offered opened a slight door for someone to feel desperate? But at the end of the day trading Kirk creates more problems than it solves. Top 5 QBs never come available, top 10 QBs hardly come available, and top 15 QBs move once and awhile.
Aside from Spielman/Zimmer needing a strong season I don't think the Wilf's would be thrilled to get the call suggesting they sunk $45M into a single season (2020) of Kirk Cousins.
While the Vikings did redo Cousins' deal prior to this season, he had 30 mil coming no matter what.
So they really did NOT sink 45M into Cousins in 2020. They gave him an extra 10 mil so far.
In 3 years, Cousins has received 94M from the Vikings which is 31.333M per year and not really that much.
The Wilfs received 255M in revenue sharing in 2017.
They received 274.3M in revenue sharing in 2018.
They received 296M in revenue sharing in 2019.
They also had gate receipts and other revenue.
It is doubtful that they have to spend too much of their own money anymore and the value of the team has skyrocketed.
Worrying about the Wilfs paying players who then leave should be the least of anyone's worry.
They literally paid him $40M in cash last year, that is what Kirk took to the bank. The signing bonus is a single check and not deferred in this case. The $94M over 3 is right. But is bad business and a competitive disadvantage to deal Kirk. Not saying they can't choke down the money, they can. But it kills trust with the owners and there is no reason to have effectively paid $20M for Kirk to be elsewhere unless you're getting a significantly better QB.
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