Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
Well, we are probably one more bad season away from a new HC. EB would be a natural fit.
I just don't get the Eric Bienemy stuff. What has Eric Bienemy done to make him deserving of running a team as a head coach despite the media fawning all over him? His two biggest claims to fame are that he coached Adrian Peterson as a rookie and he's the Chiefs offensive coordinator under Reid with Pat Mahomes at QB. Peterson was one of the physically gifted and talented backs to ever play in league and was going to be a great player whether Bienemy was his RB coach or Betty White was. Andy Reid runs that offense in KC and is the play caller. Last time we fell into this trap we chased another Reid offensive coordinator who also didn't call plays while the Eagles were rolling behind Donovan McNabb and we got stuck with Brad Childress and his "kick ass" offense. No thanks...we've had this dance once before
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Well, we are probably one more bad season away from a new HC. EB would be a natural fit.
I just don't get the Eric Bienemy stuff. What has Eric Bienemy done to make him deserving of running a team as a head coach despite the media fawning all over him? His two biggest claims to fame are that he coached Adrian Peterson as a rookie and he's the Chiefs offensive coordinator under Reid with Pat Mahomes at QB. Peterson was one of the physically gifted and talented backs to ever play in league and was going to be a great player whether Bienemy was his RB coach or Betty White was. Andy Reid runs that offense in KC and is the play caller. Last time we fell into this trap we chased another Reid offensive coordinator who also didn't call plays while the Eagles were rolling behind Donovan McNabb and we got stuck with Brad Childress and his "kick ass" offense. No thanks...we've had this dance once before
At the bold..
Let's see
- Started coaching 2001. NFL 2006
- He has been the OC for the Kansas City chiefs since 2018. A team that ranked second in 2019 and first in 2020
- He has been OC on a superbowl winning team
- Current OC for team that will be playing in superbowl
- Coached the 2019 League MVP
Those are just off the top of my head. He also has over 19 years of coaching experience
Now let's ask the same question and replace the names...
What have the following done to deserve being head coaches (some with less than 10 years coaching experience when they were hired). Eric B. started coaching in 2001. Some of the names listed below did not start coaching in the till about 2008/2009 (forget graduate assistant/ intern stuff that a few use to pad resumes) Coaching years are in [ ]:
- Doug Peterson [2005, NFL 2009] (when hired by Eagles)
- Matt Nagy [2009] (when hired by Bears)
- Dan Campbell [2010] (Lions). The best he has for experience is a position coach and interim head coach for I think 7 games.
- Brandon Staley [2006, NFL 2017] (Chargers coach). Hired with a year of Coordinator experience with a paper thin resume.
- Nick Siriani [2004, NFL 2009] (Eagles coach). Two years OC at Colts. This I can even rationalize when the play calling excuse is used to discredit EB. But again his background is no different that EB.
- Robert Saleh (Jets) [2002, NFL 2005]. Similar background like EB.
- Sulley (Texans) [1974, NFL 1994]. This is the same guy that when he coached the Chiefs WR unit they did not score a TD the entire season. He has never been an OC. Mostly been a WR coach and assistant to head coach. He was also the passing game coordinator for the worst passing offense in 2020.
My point being the names listed above got hired and I have no problem with that but please don't say Eric Bieniemy has not done anything to deserve a head coaching job.
From the names I listed there are head coaches that have lesser qualifications than EB and others that at best have similar qualifications like him.
So if the others could get hired then EB should be more than qualified.
The issue is not that he did not get hired for a job. That is normal and not what anyone will be talking about.
The issue is that he missed out on 13 jobs he interviewed for in the past two years and there are plenty of coaches on that list who's resumes don't compare with EB's yet they got hired over him
That begs the question "why is he not getting a head coaching job?"
A lack of qualification argument is definitely a losing one as I have demonstrated there are people that were less qualified with lesser experience that got hired.
Quote: @mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Well, we are probably one more bad season away from a new HC. EB would be a natural fit.
I just don't get the Eric Bienemy stuff. What has Eric Bienemy done to make him deserving of running a team as a head coach despite the media fawning all over him? His two biggest claims to fame are that he coached Adrian Peterson as a rookie and he's the Chiefs offensive coordinator under Reid with Pat Mahomes at QB. Peterson was one of the physically gifted and talented backs to ever play in league and was going to be a great player whether Bienemy was his RB coach or Betty White was. Andy Reid runs that offense in KC and is the play caller. Last time we fell into this trap we chased another Reid offensive coordinator who also didn't call plays while the Eagles were rolling behind Donovan McNabb and we got stuck with Brad Childress and his "kick ass" offense. No thanks...we've had this dance once before
At the bold..
Let's see
- Started coaching 2001. NFL 2006
- He has been the OC for the Kansas City chiefs since 2018. A team that ranked second in 2019 and first in 2020
- He has been OC on a superbowl winning team
- Current OC for team that will be playing in superbowl
- Coached the 2019 League MVP
Those are just off the top of my head. He also has over 19 years of coaching experience
Now let's ask the same question and replace the names...
What have the following done to deserve being head coaches (some with less than 10 years coaching experience when they were hired). Eric B. started coaching in 2001. Some of the names listed below did not start coaching in the till about 2008/2009 (forget graduate assistant/ intern stuff that a few use to pad resumes) Coaching years are in [ ]:
- Doug Peterson [2005, NFL 2009] (when hired by Eagles)
- Matt Nagy [2009] (when hired by Bears)
- Dan Campbell [2010] (Lions). The best he has for experience is a position coach and interim head coach for I think 7 games.
- Brandon Staley [2006, NFL 2017] (Chargers coach). Hired with a year of Coordinator experience with a paper thin resume.
- Nick Siriani [2004, NFL 2009] (Eagles coach). Two years OC at Colts. This I can even rationalize when the play calling excuse is used to discredit EB. But again his background is no different that EB.
- Robert Saleh (Jets) [2002, NFL 2005]. Similar background like EB.
- Sulley (Texans) [1974, NFL 1994]. This is the same guy that when he coached the Chiefs WR unit they did not score a TD the entire season. He has never been an OC. Mostly been a WR coach and assistant to head coach. He was also the passing game coordinator for the worst passing offense in 2020.
My point being the names listed above got hired and I have no problem with that but please don't say Eric Bieniemy has not done anything to deserve a head coaching job.
From the names I listed there are head coaches that have lesser qualifications than EB and others that at best have similar qualifications like him.
So if the others could get hired then EB should be more than qualified.
The issue is not that he did not get hired for a job. That is normal and not what anyone will be talking about.
The issue is that he missed out on 13 jobs he interviewed for in the past two years and there are plenty of coaches on that list who's resumes don't compare with EB's yet they got hired over him
That begs the question "why is he not getting a head coaching job?"
A lack of qualification argument is definitely a losing one as I have demonstrated there are people that were less qualified with lesser experience that got hired.
I get what you are saying about some of these other hires as I think a lot of teams have done a poor job and are grasping at straws, but again, Bienemy's OC experience means nothing when its Andy Reid's offense and he calls the plays and designs the game plans. I would not hire a coach who doesn't call his own plays and we've been down that Reid road before with Brad Childress and I have no interest in repeating that as far as the Vikings go.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Well, we are probably one more bad season away from a new HC. EB would be a natural fit.
I just don't get the Eric Bienemy stuff. What has Eric Bienemy done to make him deserving of running a team as a head coach despite the media fawning all over him? His two biggest claims to fame are that he coached Adrian Peterson as a rookie and he's the Chiefs offensive coordinator under Reid with Pat Mahomes at QB. Peterson was one of the physically gifted and talented backs to ever play in league and was going to be a great player whether Bienemy was his RB coach or Betty White was. Andy Reid runs that offense in KC and is the play caller. Last time we fell into this trap we chased another Reid offensive coordinator who also didn't call plays while the Eagles were rolling behind Donovan McNabb and we got stuck with Brad Childress and his "kick ass" offense. No thanks...we've had this dance once before
At the bold..
Let's see
- Started coaching 2001. NFL 2006
- He has been the OC for the Kansas City chiefs since 2018. A team that ranked second in 2019 and first in 2020
- He has been OC on a superbowl winning team
- Current OC for team that will be playing in superbowl
- Coached the 2019 League MVP
Those are just off the top of my head. He also has over 19 years of coaching experience
Now let's ask the same question and replace the names...
What have the following done to deserve being head coaches (some with less than 10 years coaching experience when they were hired). Eric B. started coaching in 2001. Some of the names listed below did not start coaching in the till about 2008/2009 (forget graduate assistant/ intern stuff that a few use to pad resumes) Coaching years are in [ ]:
- Doug Peterson [2005, NFL 2009] (when hired by Eagles)
- Matt Nagy [2009] (when hired by Bears)
- Dan Campbell [2010] (Lions). The best he has for experience is a position coach and interim head coach for I think 7 games.
- Brandon Staley [2006, NFL 2017] (Chargers coach). Hired with a year of Coordinator experience with a paper thin resume.
- Nick Siriani [2004, NFL 2009] (Eagles coach). Two years OC at Colts. This I can even rationalize when the play calling excuse is used to discredit EB. But again his background is no different that EB.
- Robert Saleh (Jets) [2002, NFL 2005]. Similar background like EB.
- Sulley (Texans) [1974, NFL 1994]. This is the same guy that when he coached the Chiefs WR unit they did not score a TD the entire season. He has never been an OC. Mostly been a WR coach and assistant to head coach. He was also the passing game coordinator for the worst passing offense in 2020.
My point being the names listed above got hired and I have no problem with that but please don't say Eric Bieniemy has not done anything to deserve a head coaching job.
From the names I listed there are head coaches that have lesser qualifications than EB and others that at best have similar qualifications like him.
So if the others could get hired then EB should be more than qualified.
The issue is not that he did not get hired for a job. That is normal and not what anyone will be talking about.
The issue is that he missed out on 13 jobs he interviewed for in the past two years and there are plenty of coaches on that list who's resumes don't compare with EB's yet they got hired over him
That begs the question "why is he not getting a head coaching job?"
A lack of qualification argument is definitely a losing one as I have demonstrated there are people that were less qualified with lesser experience that got hired.
I get what you are saying about some of these other hires as I think a lot of teams have done a poor job and are grasping at straws, but again, Bienemy's OC experience means nothing when its Andy Reid's offense and he calls the plays and designs the game plans. I would not hire a coach who doesn't call his own plays and we've been down that Reid road before with Brad Childress and I have no interest in repeating that as far as the Vikings go.
I have made the same point about Andy Reid's offensive staff and that if I were hiring for the Vikings I will not hire EB or any offensive coach from that tree. I would not have hired Naggy nor Pederson. Ofcourse I would have been wrong for not hiring Pederson.
I was talking more about the excuses offered why he is not being hired yet other OCs have been hired from the Andy Reid tree who did not call plays.
It is also documented (there are snippets online) that EB has more input on the offense than previous OCs had yet EB is the only one being disqualified for not calling plays.
The others did not either. All of them have had spot duty calling plays at one point or another (including EB) but none has been the primary play caller for Andy Reid even back to Chilly.
Lastly, while EB has been OC the Chiefs have made it to two superbowls. Even if you say he has nothing to do with that, he at the very least gained experience. Something none of the other OCs hired as coaches and heralded as "smart" offensive minds when they were with KC had.
Again, why does it have to be different when its EBs turn?
We cant conveniently change the parameters this time when before we had no issue hiring OCs that coached for Reid and did not call plays even though EB is way more qualified than the others that were hired before him.
Quote: @mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Well, we are probably one more bad season away from a new HC. EB would be a natural fit.
I just don't get the Eric Bienemy stuff. What has Eric Bienemy done to make him deserving of running a team as a head coach despite the media fawning all over him? His two biggest claims to fame are that he coached Adrian Peterson as a rookie and he's the Chiefs offensive coordinator under Reid with Pat Mahomes at QB. Peterson was one of the physically gifted and talented backs to ever play in league and was going to be a great player whether Bienemy was his RB coach or Betty White was. Andy Reid runs that offense in KC and is the play caller. Last time we fell into this trap we chased another Reid offensive coordinator who also didn't call plays while the Eagles were rolling behind Donovan McNabb and we got stuck with Brad Childress and his "kick ass" offense. No thanks...we've had this dance once before
At the bold..
Let's see
- Started coaching 2001. NFL 2006
- He has been the OC for the Kansas City chiefs since 2018. A team that ranked second in 2019 and first in 2020
- He has been OC on a superbowl winning team
- Current OC for team that will be playing in superbowl
- Coached the 2019 League MVP
Those are just off the top of my head. He also has over 19 years of coaching experience
Now let's ask the same question and replace the names...
What have the following done to deserve being head coaches (some with less than 10 years coaching experience when they were hired). Eric B. started coaching in 2001. Some of the names listed below did not start coaching in the till about 2008/2009 (forget graduate assistant/ intern stuff that a few use to pad resumes) Coaching years are in [ ]:
- Doug Peterson [2005, NFL 2009] (when hired by Eagles)
- Matt Nagy [2009] (when hired by Bears)
- Dan Campbell [2010] (Lions). The best he has for experience is a position coach and interim head coach for I think 7 games.
- Brandon Staley [2006, NFL 2017] (Chargers coach). Hired with a year of Coordinator experience with a paper thin resume.
- Nick Siriani [2004, NFL 2009] (Eagles coach). Two years OC at Colts. This I can even rationalize when the play calling excuse is used to discredit EB. But again his background is no different that EB.
- Robert Saleh (Jets) [2002, NFL 2005]. Similar background like EB.
- Sulley (Texans) [1974, NFL 1994]. This is the same guy that when he coached the Chiefs WR unit they did not score a TD the entire season. He has never been an OC. Mostly been a WR coach and assistant to head coach. He was also the passing game coordinator for the worst passing offense in 2020.
My point being the names listed above got hired and I have no problem with that but please don't say Eric Bieniemy has not done anything to deserve a head coaching job.
From the names I listed there are head coaches that have lesser qualifications than EB and others that at best have similar qualifications like him.
So if the others could get hired then EB should be more than qualified.
The issue is not that he did not get hired for a job. That is normal and not what anyone will be talking about.
The issue is that he missed out on 13 jobs he interviewed for in the past two years and there are plenty of coaches on that list who's resumes don't compare with EB's yet they got hired over him
That begs the question "why is he not getting a head coaching job?"
A lack of qualification argument is definitely a losing one as I have demonstrated there are people that were less qualified with lesser experience that got hired.
I get what you are saying about some of these other hires as I think a lot of teams have done a poor job and are grasping at straws, but again, Bienemy's OC experience means nothing when its Andy Reid's offense and he calls the plays and designs the game plans. I would not hire a coach who doesn't call his own plays and we've been down that Reid road before with Brad Childress and I have no interest in repeating that as far as the Vikings go.
I have made the same point about Andy Reid's offensive staff and that if I were hiring for the Vikings I will not hire EB or any offensive coach from that tree. I would not have hired Naggy nor Pederson. Ofcourse I would have been wrong for not hiring Pederson.
I was talking more about the excuses offered why he is not being hired yet other OCs have been hired from the Andy Reid tree who did not call plays.
It is also documented (there are snippets online) that EB has more input on the offense than previous OCs had yet EB is the only one being disqualified for not calling plays.
The others did not either. All of them have had spot duty calling plays at one point or another (including EB) but none has been the primary play caller for Andy Reid even back to Chilly.
Lastly, while EB has been OC the Chiefs have made it to two superbowls. Even if you say he has nothing to do with that, he at the very least gained experience. Something none of the other OCs hired as coaches and heralded as "smart" offensive minds when they were with KC had.
Again, why does it have to be different when its EBs turn?
We cant conveniently change the parameters this time when before we had no issue hiring OCs that coached for Reid and did not call plays even though EB is way more qualified than the others that were hired before him.
Yes maybe based on some of the non qualifications of the other coaches hired Bienemy could have been chosen, but that doesn't mean he is a great candidate or that he's deserving of being chosen. You just cant hire a coordinator as a head coach who's input into the gameplan is minimal and he doesn't call the plays. IMO Bienemy should take what he's learned and move on to another team who gives him full reign to run the offense and call his own plays. If he truly wants a head coaching job thats what he should do, There would be a handful of teams with vacancies that I'm sure would love to try him out. But as a head coach right now based on everything, no thanks....and these teams that have interviewed him probably let him walk based on that line of thinking and the Reid coaching tree.
@ supafreak84
I think we are going in circles here. Funny thing with your point of view is that it did not seem to be an issue when others were being interviewed and subsequently hired. Please tell me what Kliff Kingsbury did that showed he was a better coach than EB (he failed in college, had no NFL experience and also very inexperienced)
Why must it be EB that has to "take what he has learned and move on"? I did not hear that line of thinking when it was Nagy, Pederson, Staley etc. That is the double standards I am taking about.
Whether EB is a great candidate or not is not the issue. The issue here is the same rules are not being applied. From your line of thinking you want EB to do more than other candidates who were in the exact same position. The question is why?
This is the double standards people talk about, we are OK telling EB to move to a different team to "prove himself" when two other OCs were hired from the same system, the same path and with even lesser qualifications yet EB should go do more.
Reid lauds EB on his work with Mahomes, Mahomes says he owes alot to EB. Reid says everyone is involved but yes EB's input on offense is minimal. These are the kinds of statement that make one wonder
Quote:Reid has pushed back on that by saying everyone is involved with picking plays and that “my energy” is devoted to making sure there are good plays to pick.
Bieniemy also downplayed the notion that he’s a bystander while Reid runs the show.
“We have an operation in how we do things and we have a communications system,” Bieniemy said, via the Kansas City Star. “I mean, coaches communicate with me, I’m communicating to the quarterback. To be honest with you, I think people are making something out of nothing.”
Source: profootballtalk.com
I don't understand what you mean by "if he truly wants a head coaching job that's what he should do". Are you saying he does not want a head coaching job? Somehow this is starting to feel like you are blaming EB. So after 13 interviews and coming out and explicitly saying he wants a HC job you still have doubts "if he truly wants a head coaching job"
The is not just a double standard but also an implied bias that we cant even acknowledge exists in our perception. The fact that your suggestion is for him to do more even with what he has already accomplished in order to show that he "wants" to be a HC is not only biased but also rings hallow when you know that the two previous OCs in the EXACT same positions got head coaching jobs (for doing less) and even also admit that candidates with lesser pedigree got head coaching jobs is simply mind boggling.
Anyway, I have said my peace on this. The situation stinks and we all know it even if we find ways to normalize it.
Quote: @mblack said:
@supafreak84
I think we are going in circles here. Funny thing with your point of view is that it did not seem to be an issue when others were being interviewed and subsequently hired. Please tell me what Kliff Kingsbury did that showed he was a better coach than EB (he failed in college, had no NFL experience and also very inexperienced)
Why must it be EB that has to "take what he has learned and move on"? I did not hear that line of thinking when it was Nagy, Pederson, Staley etc. That is the double standards I am taking about.
Whether EB is a great candidate or not is not the issue. The issue here is the same rules are not being applied. From your line of thinking you want EB to do more than other candidates who were in the exact same position. The question is why?
This is the double standards people talk about, we are OK telling EB to move to a different team to "prove himself" when two other OCs were hired from the same system, the same path and with even lesser qualifications yet EB should go do more.
Reid lauds EB on his work with Mahomes, Mahomes says he owes alot to EB. Reid says everyone is involved but yes EB's input on offense is minimal. These are the kinds of statement that make one wonder
Reid has pushed back on that by saying everyone is involved with picking plays and that “my energy” is devoted to making sure there are good plays to pick.
Bieniemy also downplayed the notion that he’s a bystander while Reid runs the show.
“We have an operation in how we do things and we have a communications system,” Bieniemy said, via the Kansas City Star. “I mean, coaches communicate with me, I’m communicating to the quarterback. To be honest with you, I think people are making something out of nothing.”
Source: profootballtalk.com
I don't understand what you mean by "if he truly wants a head coaching job that's what he should do". Are you saying he does not want a head coaching job? Somehow this is starting to feel like you are blaming EB. So after 13 interviews and coming out and explicitly saying he wants a HC job you still have doubts "if he truly wants a head coaching job"
The is not just a double standard but also an implied bias that we cant even acknowledge exists in our perception. The fact that your suggestion is for him to do more even with what he has already accomplished in order to show that he "wants" to be a HC is not only biased but also rings hallow when you know that the two previous OCs in the EXACT same positions got head coaching jobs (for doing less) and even also admit that candidates with lesser pedigree got head coaching jobs is simply mind boggling.
Anyway, I have said my peace on this. The situation stinks and we all know it even if we find ways to normalize it.
Kingsbury has always been an offensive innovator and was known for that in college with his work with Mahomes and at least had head coaching experience. I can almost guarantee Bienemy hasnt gotten a job because he's a been a position coach and now as an offensive coordinator he doesn't call the plays. He's going to get dinged for that in every interview and because of the Reid coaching tree. That's why I say he should get out of Reid's shadow and go to a team that will give him full reign of the offense and play calling duties.
@ supafreak84
You really should stop rehashing the biased/shameful talking points.
- Kingsbury has always been an offensive innovator: In whose books? So offensive innovator who had a losing record as head coach in college (35-40) and was fired. He was fired and somehow got an NFL coaching job. You mention his work with Mahomes in college. Can you tell who has been working with Mahomes in the NFL for the past three years? Kliff coached Mahomes for three years. EB has been working with Mahomes now for FOUR years. You are willing to go at any length to credit Kliff for his work with Mahomes in college. You some how spin his total failure at Texas Tech knowing he was fired for his poor job as some credit/acheivement. Isnt it questionable that someone in college gets fired and gets a job as an NFL head coach? As a matter of fact, he was on on his way to be the OC for USC and the Cardinals gave him a job while overlooking EB (I guess because EB does not call plays). You are not even ashamed to say EB who has worked with Mahomes in the NFL and actually been an OC for the best offense in the NFL is lacking in NFL experience. What experience really are you referring to? Maybe I am not able to decipher the coded language you are using. You really cant make this stuff up
- I can almost guarantee Bienemy hasn't gotten a job because he's a been a position coach and now as an offensive coordinator he doesn't call the plays. We already know that is the excuse being passed around to hide the obvious bias. You are not stating anything new. So all one has to do is call plays in order to get an NFL job in your eye. I already asked you this and you failed to answer. How much experience does Dan Campbell or Dan Culley have calling plays? As a side note here is the "steller" resume of Brandon Staley the new Chargers coach
- 2016: He was DC or a Division III school (John Carrol University)
- 2017-2019: Line backers coach (Bears and Broncos)
- 2020: Rams DC
- 2020: Chargers head coach
That is just a "stellar" resume and something EB should try to attain right? His coaching experience is four freaking years (to be fair he also coached at a community college and St Thomas MN). Hey guess what, he called plays so that answers every question
- Lastly, for good measure here is Byron Leftwich's resume.
- 2017-2018: Cardinals QB coach
- 2018: Cardinals Interim OC
- 2019-present: Bucs OCIt would have been nice to say Leftwich got an interview you know? He did not even get one. He is in the NFL, he has called plays for two years now, his team is playing the superbowl, he is not from the Andy Reid coaching tree. What's the excuse this time around?
Quote: @mblack said:
@supafreak84
You really should stop rehashing the biased/shameful talking points.
- Kingsbury has always been an offensive innovator: In whose books? So offensive innovator who had a losing record as head coach in college (35-40) and was fired. He was fired and somehow got an NFL coaching job. You mention his work with Mahomes in college. Can you tell who has been working with Mahomes in the NFL for the past three years? Kliff coached Mahomes for three years. EB has been working with Mahomes now for FOUR years. You are willing to go at any length to credit Kliff for his work with Mahomes in college. You some how spin his total failure at Texas Tech knowing he was fired for his poor job as some credit/acheivement. Isnt it questionable that someone in college gets fired and gets a job as an NFL head coach? As a matter of fact, he was on on his way to be the OC for USC and the Cardinals gave him a job while overlooking EB (I guess because EB does not call plays). You are not even ashamed to say EB who has worked with Mahomes in the NFL and actually been an OC for the best offense in the NFL is lacking in NFL experience. What experience really are you referring to? Maybe I am not able to decipher the coded language you are using. You really cant make this stuff up
- I can almost guarantee Bienemy hasn't gotten a job because he's a been a position coach and now as an offensive coordinator he doesn't call the plays. We already know that is the excuse being passed around to hide the obvious bias. You are not stating anything new. So all one has to do is call plays in order to get an NFL job in your eye. I already asked you this and you failed to answer. How much experience does Dan Campbell or Dan Culley have calling plays? As a side note here is the "steller" resume of Brandon Staley the new Chargers coach
- 2016: He was DC or a Division III school (John Carrol University)
- 2017-2019: Line backers coach (Bears and Broncos)
- 2020: Rams DC
- 2020: Chargers head coach
That is just a "stellar" resume and something EB should try to attain right? His coaching experience is four freaking years (to be fair he also coached at a community college and St Thomas MN). Hey guess what, he called plays so that answers every question
- Lastly, for good measure here is Byron Leftwich's resume.
- 2017-2018: Cardinals QB coach
- 2018: Cardinals Interim OC
- 2019-present: Bucs OCIt would have been nice to say Leftwich got an interview you know? He did not even get one. He is in the NFL, he has called plays for two years now, his team is playing the superbowl, he is not from the Andy Reid coaching tree. What's the excuse this time around?
Love the Byron Leftwich suggestion I wonder why the media and pundits havent been all over him as a headcoaching candidate like EB? This is honestly why I question the hype around one particular name or candidate. The Chilly hiring in MN in particular seemed to me to be an over hyping of a guy who just did not have the personality to be a good head coach. But he got hyped and the wilfs took the NFL and the medias advice on it. Some guys just get a buzz around them for some reason even if it is really not based on anything substantive.
Leftwich would be a better candidate than even EB I think. Especially if we dumped Zimmer and kept Cousins. Mahomes is a freak and almost anyone looks like a genius coaching him. Leftwich is taking a more traditional QB like Cousins and working magic around him.
Quote: @mblack said:
@supafreak84
You really should stop rehashing the biased/shameful talking points.
- Kingsbury has always been an offensive innovator: In whose books? So offensive innovator who had a losing record as head coach in college (35-40) and was fired. He was fired and somehow got an NFL coaching job. You mention his work with Mahomes in college. Can you tell who has been working with Mahomes in the NFL for the past three years? Kliff coached Mahomes for three years. EB has been working with Mahomes now for FOUR years. You are willing to go at any length to credit Kliff for his work with Mahomes in college. You some how spin his total failure at Texas Tech knowing he was fired for his poor job as some credit/acheivement. Isnt it questionable that someone in college gets fired and gets a job as an NFL head coach? As a matter of fact, he was on on his way to be the OC for USC and the Cardinals gave him a job while overlooking EB (I guess because EB does not call plays). You are not even ashamed to say EB who has worked with Mahomes in the NFL and actually been an OC for the best offense in the NFL is lacking in NFL experience. What experience really are you referring to? Maybe I am not able to decipher the coded language you are using. You really cant make this stuff up
- I can almost guarantee Bienemy hasn't gotten a job because he's a been a position coach and now as an offensive coordinator he doesn't call the plays. We already know that is the excuse being passed around to hide the obvious bias. You are not stating anything new. So all one has to do is call plays in order to get an NFL job in your eye. I already asked you this and you failed to answer. How much experience does Dan Campbell or Dan Culley have calling plays? As a side note here is the "steller" resume of Brandon Staley the new Chargers coach
- 2016: He was DC or a Division III school (John Carrol University)
- 2017-2019: Line backers coach (Bears and Broncos)
- 2020: Rams DC
- 2020: Chargers head coach
That is just a "stellar" resume and something EB should try to attain right? His coaching experience is four freaking years (to be fair he also coached at a community college and St Thomas MN). Hey guess what, he called plays so that answers every question
- Lastly, for good measure here is Byron Leftwich's resume.
- 2017-2018: Cardinals QB coach
- 2018: Cardinals Interim OC
- 2019-present: Bucs OCIt would have been nice to say Leftwich got an interview you know? He did not even get one. He is in the NFL, he has called plays for two years now, his team is playing the superbowl, he is not from the Andy Reid coaching tree. What's the excuse this time around?
I'm not sure if you are trying to insinuate its a racial thing he isn't being hired or not. I'm not going to argue some of the resumes of some of these recent coaches that have been hired because I haven't been a fan of any of them. All I'm saying is the likely reason Bienemy hasn't been hired is because he's an offensive coordinator under Andy Reid who doesn't call plays and nobody wants to end up with another Brad Childress who followed the same path. Right or wrong perception is reality in this instance.
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