Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I'm sure you're right. But you just spoiled all the fun for people playing First-Pick or other simulators who are just dying to dream up ways to add more draft picks!
Quote: @minny65 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I agree and said the same above your post. That said I still don't think we should rule out drafting a QB in round 1. My supply/demand theory (ponder reach) vs Favre/Rodgers. I don't think having Cousins/rookie QB is such a bad thing.
Rick's biggest failure IMO. We have never had a developmental QB worth worrying about. Ponder and some old dude. Teddy and some even older dude. Kirk and a nobody. I get having a veteran mentor for the young QB, but you gotta have something in the well in case they bust like Ponder or get hurt like Teddy. We mortgaged the future because everyone knew Hill was way over his name and wouldn't make it through the season.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
Well, I guess that's that. Geoff, let me ask you this...what's the general consensus inside the building regarding Cousins (meaning from management, coaches, players)? Is it mostly positive, and does the team believe Cousins is the guy to take them to a Super Bowl?
Depends who you ask. Nobody thinks Kirk is perfect, he isn't. But he didn't limit the team this season. Injuries and flawed personnel on the defensive side did.
So while you can probably do better than Kirk you probably need to run it back with him to see what happens this season. So while I heard they have no interest in trading him maybe seeing what the Rams offered opened a slight door for someone to feel desperate? But at the end of the day trading Kirk creates more problems than it solves. Top 5 QBs never come available, top 10 QBs hardly come available, and top 15 QBs move once and awhile.
Aside from Spielman/Zimmer needing a strong season I don't think the Wilf's would be thrilled to get the call suggesting they sunk $45M into a single season (2020) of Kirk Cousins.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I'm sure you're right. But you just spoiled all the fun for people playing First-Pick or other simulators who are just dying to dream up ways to add more draft picks!
That includes me big time. I am addicted to the draft simulators. Covid and getting about 30 inches of snow are of no help.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ minny65 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I agree and said the same above your post. That said I still don't think we should rule out drafting a QB in round 1. My supply/demand theory (ponder reach) vs Favre/Rodgers. I don't think having Cousins/rookie QB is such a bad thing.
Rick's biggest failure IMO. We have never had a developmental QB worth worrying about. Ponder and some old dude. Teddy and some even older dude. Kirk and a nobody. I get having a veteran mentor for the young QB, but you gotta have something in the well in case they bust like Ponder or get hurt like Teddy. We mortgaged the future because everyone knew Hill was way over his name and wouldn't make it through the season.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ minny65 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I agree and said the same above your post. That said I still don't think we should rule out drafting a QB in round 1. My supply/demand theory (ponder reach) vs Favre/Rodgers. I don't think having Cousins/rookie QB is such a bad thing.
Rick's biggest failure IMO. We have never had a developmental QB worth worrying about. Ponder and some old dude. Teddy and some even older dude. Kirk and a nobody. I get having a veteran mentor for the young QB, but you gotta have something in the well in case they bust like Ponder or get hurt like Teddy. We mortgaged the future because everyone knew Hill was way over his name and wouldn't make it through the season.
Good point but do mean someone else? Hill??
only way i trade Kirk is if It gets me most of the way to Deshaun Watson. Kirk plus our #1 this year and next year i would give every day.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ Jor-El said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I'm sure you're right. But you just spoiled all the fun for people playing First-Pick or other simulators who are just dying to dream up ways to add more draft picks!
That includes me big time. I am addicted to the draft simulators. Covid and getting about 30 inches of snow are of no help.
Same here. I wish they would allow teams to release draft day footage after it occurred as I find that stuff so interesting. I have a buddy who works/coaches for the Texans and I asked him about the draft last year but he didn't make the cut as Bill only allowed 3-4 guys in the room during the draft.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ minny65 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I agree and said the same above your post. That said I still don't think we should rule out drafting a QB in round 1. My supply/demand theory (ponder reach) vs Favre/Rodgers. I don't think having Cousins/rookie QB is such a bad thing.
Rick's biggest failure IMO. We have never had a developmental QB worth worrying about. Ponder and some old dude. Teddy and some even older dude. Kirk and a nobody. I get having a veteran mentor for the young QB, but you gotta have something in the well in case they bust like Ponder or get hurt like Teddy. We mortgaged the future because everyone knew Hill was way over his name and wouldn't make it through the season.
Yeah, but when has a "developmental" QB ever really developed? Seems to me there are three kinds: QBs you draft in the 1st to be starters, QBs you get lucky on (Dak, Brady, Wilson), and QBs who are drafted to be backups. I can't think of too many low-experience, high-upside QBs drafted in the mid-to-late rounds that actually developed into starters. Rich Gannon I guess.
I do agree that we can probably do better than Sean Mannion.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ minny65 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I agree and said the same above your post. That said I still don't think we should rule out drafting a QB in round 1. My supply/demand theory (ponder reach) vs Favre/Rodgers. I don't think having Cousins/rookie QB is such a bad thing.
Rick's biggest failure IMO. We have never had a developmental QB worth worrying about. Ponder and some old dude. Teddy and some even older dude. Kirk and a nobody. I get having a veteran mentor for the young QB, but you gotta have something in the well in case they bust like Ponder or get hurt like Teddy. We mortgaged the future because everyone knew Hill was way over his name and wouldn't make it through the season.
Yeah, but when has a "developmental" QB ever really developed? Seems to me there are three kinds: QBs you draft in the 1st to be starters, QBs you get lucky on (Dak, Brady, Wilson), and QBs who are drafted to be backups. I can't think of too many low-experience, high-upside QBs drafted in the mid-to-late rounds that actually developed into starters. Rich Gannon I guess.
I do agree that we can probably do better than Sean Mannion.
how many really get the chance? Cousins comes to mind, but most of those mid round guys never really see the field as they are behind somebody drafted higher that the coaches and gms have more professionally invested in succeeding.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ minny65 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I will put it to rest. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading Kirk Cousins. It doesn't matter if the 49ers want him, he isn't available. I also feel very confident that the 49ers would not offer the 12th pick straight up with Kirk.
I agree and said the same above your post. That said I still don't think we should rule out drafting a QB in round 1. My supply/demand theory (ponder reach) vs Favre/Rodgers. I don't think having Cousins/rookie QB is such a bad thing.
Rick's biggest failure IMO. We have never had a developmental QB worth worrying about. Ponder and some old dude. Teddy and some even older dude. Kirk and a nobody. I get having a veteran mentor for the young QB, but you gotta have something in the well in case they bust like Ponder or get hurt like Teddy. We mortgaged the future because everyone knew Hill was way over his name and wouldn't make it through the season.
Yeah, but when has a "developmental" QB ever really developed? Seems to me there are three kinds: QBs you draft in the 1st to be starters, QBs you get lucky on (Dak, Brady, Wilson), and QBs who are drafted to be backups. I can't think of too many low-experience, high-upside QBs drafted in the mid-to-late rounds that actually developed into starters. Rich Gannon I guess.
I do agree that we can probably do better than Sean Mannion.
how many really get the chance? Cousins comes to mind, but most of those mid round guys never really see the field as they are behind somebody drafted higher that the coaches and gms have more professionally invested in succeeding.
Quite a few get their chance when the starter goes down. Tyrod Taylor got his chance, as has CJ Beathard, Brett Hundley, Matt Flynn, and Colt McCoy. Some obviously didnt have a chance to take over for the current QB but they had their shot to get noticed for a different option
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