Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
Quote: @mblack said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
They traded a malcontent, got younger, cheaper, and potentially better at the position. Jefferson had no off-season to get ready. All he did was rewrite the record book.
Fuck Diggs. He's a whiny bitch
Zim is a dinosaur in this league. Time to move on. I see no way the Vikings are going to be serious contenders for the next 2-3 years.
I totally understand that we look at what Diggs did and contrast it to our own jobs, and yeah - skip meetings, criticize your managers in the press, etc...most of us get fired.
But - these players want to be treated like NBA players or music rappers, and by those standards, or even the standards of many NFL superstars, Diggs was pretty low on the scale of disrespect. You can set a hard line against that behavior, but it's ultimately going to mean the Vikings are going to lose some of the best playmakers.
Also, there is a trend for players to get more "vocal" as they play a few years, get a second contract that makes them multi-millionaires. I remember a lot of praise for Diggs' attitude his first couple years here, much the way people are saying they like Jefferson so much for "humility" and "dedication". Will that last? Two years ago Zimmer himself was expressing how he loves Dalvin Cook's attitude...but there are signs that Cook, now super-rich, is getting a little cryptic with his tweets.
I just think we need to be tolerant of superstar players playing the diva card. Sports organizations from Pee Wee to College have treated them like celebrities. Successful NFL coaches have to be able to balance their needs and sometimes even coddle them.
Quote: @mblack said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
Lolz ya, one player was the difference for the Bills. If we would have that same one player LOOK OUT, we may have won 8 games. Trade was equal, both sides won
Quote: @mblack said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
Diggs didn't single handily bring the Bills to the AFC Championship game. A strong offensive scheme, Josh Allen, and a good defense did. If you insert Justin Jefferson on the Bills I wouldn't be shocked if they are still getting ready to play this upcoming weekend. Honestly I think the Bills would have simply taken JJ if they knew he would be this good so soon. But you can make that argument for a lot of teams. Jefferson would have been a top 10 pick if they redrafted tomorrow.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ mblack said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The way it all kind of transpired is still odd. In the end Diggs wanted to be the focal point of the offense and that wasn't going to happen here. He's proven he can be the #1 on a good team in Buffalo so I'd say he was right in a way. The missing practices and such during the season was not alright. I can't remember where but he did admit that wasn't the right thing to do. But in the end if the Bills hadn't offered a 1st + I think the Vikings were ready to hold onto him.
Agreed. Let's not kid ourselves that Diggs isn't talented, he is. Some fans want to ignore that. And this board would be all red-assed if Jefferson didn't basically have the year he had. So it turned out ok for everyone involved really, which is generally not how it goes.
Last year was quite off since both the 49ers and Vikings traded star players for 1st round picks and ended up breaking even or winning the deals. Its not usually how it goes. I would say the 49ers broke even on the Buckner deal with Kinlaw. I'd argue the Vikings actually won the Diggs trade since the money since they found a top 15 receiver and saved significant money over the next 3 years.
Disclaimer:
If the goal of the game is to make the team better and subsequently win the Super bowl then I think the Vikings did not win the trade.
- Diggs has helped the Bills get to the AFC championship game. A level they have not achieved for a long time. Without Diggs they don't get there. The same Diggs helped the Vikings get to the NFC championship game.
- Diggs has improved the Bills team more than JJ has improved the Vikings team regarding, impact on the game, wins and losses, post season, heck even individual stats
- If the Bills make the super bowl let a lone win it, they are runaway winners of the trade
So as of this year I strongly believe the Bills won the trade. Yes the Vikings saved money but it is still to be seen what they do with the savings.
Lolz ya, one player was the difference for the Bills. If we would have that same one player LOOK OUT, we may have won 8 games. Trade was equal, both sides won
He is a pretty big target for Allen. They compliment each other and make each other better. That is definitely a huge win.
Every article that I've read about the Diggs trade fails to mention that the Vikes still have two 4th round picks (Buffalo & Chicago) in this upcoming draft as a result of the trade. The Chicago pick was Buffalo's 5th in last years draft that was traded for Chicago's 4th this year.
You can't accurately judge the trade until all compensation has been utilized.
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