Quote: @kmillard said:
the majority of that front 7 were coveted draft picks by Spelly and Zim, to me it looks like most are not even backup level.
Really? Which of Odenigbo (7th), Johnson (4th), Stephen (7th), Wonnum (rookie 4th), Wilson (UDFA), Lynch (rookie UDFA) and Nickerson (UDFA) were "coveted draft picks."
Wonnum is a rookie so I can only assume you're referring to maybe Johnson? Because I've heard that criticism before. Johnson sucks! Johnson is a bust! LOL.
Viking fans need to get used to the fact that not all 1st rounders are Justin Jefferson, not all 2nd rounders are Dalvin Cook, not all 3rd rounders are Danielle Hunter...4th Griffen, 5th Diggs, etc.
4th rounders are typically role players--contributing depth. And that's exactly what Jaleel Johnson is.
Look at the 4th round of the 2017 draft, the year Johnson was taken. 38 players taken in the 4th round, ONE above average starter by my count (Eddie Jackson). And 37 players either out of the NFL or role players like Johnson.
Go ahead and look at the DTs taken in the 3rd round that year. Nazier Jones, taken by Seattle in the...out of the NFL. Montravius Adams by the Packers, 3 starts in 4 seasons. Eddie Vanderdoes, drafted by the Raiders. Waived a year later. And that's the 3rd round!
Hell, go to the 2nd round! Dalvin Tomlinson has been OK (7 sacks in 4 seasons). The first DT taken in the draft was Malik McDowell taken 35th overall. That's three picks after the 1st round. Out of the NFL.
Just some perspective.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
the majority of that front 7 were coveted draft picks by Spelly and Zim, to me it looks like most are not even backup level.
Really? Which of Odenigbo (7th), Johnson (4th), Stephen (7th), Wonnum (rookie 4th), Wilson (UDFA), Lynch (rookie UDFA) and Nickerson (UDFA) were "coveted draft picks."
Wonnum is a rookie so I can only assume you're referring to maybe Johnson? Because I've heard that criticism before. Johnson sucks! Johnson is a bust! LOL.
Viking fans need to get used to the fact that not all 1st rounders are Justin Jefferson, not all 2nd rounders are Dalvin Cook, not all 3rd rounders are Danielle Hunter...4th Griffen, 5th Diggs, etc.
4th rounders are typically role players--contributing depth. And that's exactly what Jaleel Johnson is.
Look at the 4th round of the 2017 draft, the year Johnson was taken. 38 players taken in the 4th round, ONE above average starter by my count (Eddie Jackson). And 37 players either out of the NFL or role players like Johnson.
Go ahead and look at the DTs taken in the 3rd round that year. Nazier Jones, taken by Seattle in the...out of the NFL. Montravius Adams by the Packers, 3 starts in 4 seasons. Eddie Vanderdoes, drafted by the Raiders. Waived a year later. And that's the 3rd round!
Hell, go to the 2nd round! Dalvin Tomlinson has been OK (7 sacks in 4 seasons). The first DT taken in the draft was Malik McDowell taken 35th overall. That's three picks after the 1st round. Out of the NFL.
Just some perspective.
Thanks for this Marroon. This is what I've been saying but didn't the facts you showed to back it up. Like I said yesterday, the majority of the front seven do not have any business starting in the NFL
Our coach is WAAAAAY past his sell by date. He is outdated beyond belief. He thinks insulting his players will somehow motivate them and that it will take the focus off of him. His excuse is this is the worst defense he has coached? Nice. He is the defensive guru. Whatever. The guy is an old sad clown. Time to part ways.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
Our coach is WAAAAAY past his sell by date. He is outdated beyond belief. He thinks insulting his players will somehow motivate them and that it will take the focus off of him. His excuse is this is the worst defense he has coached? Nice. He is the defensive guru. Whatever. The guy is an old sad clown. Time to part ways.
Would have never known you felt this way Mike.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
Our coach is WAAAAAY past his sell by date. He is outdated beyond belief. He thinks insulting his players will somehow motivate them and that it will take the focus off of him. His excuse is this is the worst defense he has coached? Nice. He is the defensive guru. Whatever. The guy is an old sad clown. Time to part ways.
He might be just being honest. This is most likely the worst defense I've ever seen too.
Quote: @1VikesFan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
Our coach is WAAAAAY past his sell by date. He is outdated beyond belief. He thinks insulting his players will somehow motivate them and that it will take the focus off of him. His excuse is this is the worst defense he has coached? Nice. He is the defensive guru. Whatever. The guy is an old sad clown. Time to part ways.
Would have never known you felt this way Mike.
I have seen the guy up close and I have to say I am not impressed. I know people like him. I am just not sure why. He has done nothing.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
the majority of that front 7 were coveted draft picks by Spelly and Zim, to me it looks like most are not even backup level.
Really? Which of Odenigbo (7th), Johnson (4th), Stephen (7th), Wonnum (rookie 4th), Wilson (UDFA), Lynch (rookie UDFA) and Nickerson (UDFA) were "coveted draft picks."
Wonnum is a rookie so I can only assume you're referring to maybe Johnson? Because I've heard that criticism before. Johnson sucks! Johnson is a bust! LOL.
Viking fans need to get used to the fact that not all 1st rounders are Justin Jefferson, not all 2nd rounders are Dalvin Cook, not all 3rd rounders are Danielle Hunter...4th Griffen, 5th Diggs, etc.
4th rounders are typically role players--contributing depth. And that's exactly what Jaleel Johnson is.
Look at the 4th round of the 2017 draft, the year Johnson was taken. 38 players taken in the 4th round, ONE above average starter by my count (Eddie Jackson). And 37 players either out of the NFL or role players like Johnson.
Go ahead and look at the DTs taken in the 3rd round that year. Nazier Jones, taken by Seattle in the...out of the NFL. Montravius Adams by the Packers, 3 starts in 4 seasons. Eddie Vanderdoes, drafted by the Raiders. Waived a year later. And that's the 3rd round!
Hell, go to the 2nd round! Dalvin Tomlinson has been OK (7 sacks in 4 seasons). The first DT taken in the draft was Malik McDowell taken 35th overall. That's three picks after the 1st round. Out of the NFL.
Just some perspective.
Who picked the players you listed? Weren't they selected as a result of team research and scouting? So if the players suck then the people that picked and or recommended the players should be held responsible. That is their job. The reason they selected the players they did at the positions they did was because that is where they thought the players ranked or how they prioritized their picks. So please I don't buy that excuse. To every player you listed above, I can show a corresponding player that was picked lower that blossomed.
Who said we had to pick DT in round 3? We picked a DT there because that is where we thought the value was. Alvin Kamara, Kuper Kupp, Chris Goodwin, Kareem Hunt, Shaquille Griffin were all picked in round 3.
1. You can't say the tools you have at your disposal are sub par when you are the one who selected the tools
2. Many teams have found players late in drafts and made them better. Even the Vikings have done that. Again, they had a year to develop the players and build a competitive roster.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
Our coach is WAAAAAY past his sell by date. He is outdated beyond belief. He thinks insulting his players will somehow motivate them and that it will take the focus off of him. His excuse is this is the worst defense he has coached? Nice. He is the defensive guru. Whatever. The guy is an old sad clown. Time to part ways.
Would have never known you felt this way Mike.
I have seen the guy up close and I have to say I am not impressed. I know people like him. I am just not sure why. He has done nothing.
Some people like him or liked him initially because he seemed like a Bud Grant type of personality and who doesn't like Bud Grant. Now it is very split on who likes him and who doesn't. He is going to get a pass on this year though.
Quote: @mblack said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
the majority of that front 7 were coveted draft picks by Spelly and Zim, to me it looks like most are not even backup level.
Really? Which of Odenigbo (7th), Johnson (4th), Stephen (7th), Wonnum (rookie 4th), Wilson (UDFA), Lynch (rookie UDFA) and Nickerson (UDFA) were "coveted draft picks."
Wonnum is a rookie so I can only assume you're referring to maybe Johnson? Because I've heard that criticism before. Johnson sucks! Johnson is a bust! LOL.
Viking fans need to get used to the fact that not all 1st rounders are Justin Jefferson, not all 2nd rounders are Dalvin Cook, not all 3rd rounders are Danielle Hunter...4th Griffen, 5th Diggs, etc.
4th rounders are typically role players--contributing depth. And that's exactly what Jaleel Johnson is.
Look at the 4th round of the 2017 draft, the year Johnson was taken. 38 players taken in the 4th round, ONE above average starter by my count (Eddie Jackson). And 37 players either out of the NFL or role players like Johnson.
Go ahead and look at the DTs taken in the 3rd round that year. Nazier Jones, taken by Seattle in the...out of the NFL. Montravius Adams by the Packers, 3 starts in 4 seasons. Eddie Vanderdoes, drafted by the Raiders. Waived a year later. And that's the 3rd round!
Hell, go to the 2nd round! Dalvin Tomlinson has been OK (7 sacks in 4 seasons). The first DT taken in the draft was Malik McDowell taken 35th overall. That's three picks after the 1st round. Out of the NFL.
Just some perspective.
Who picked the players you listed? Weren't they selected as a result of team research and scouting? So if the players suck then the people that picked and or recommended the players should be held responsible. That is their job. The reason they selected the players they did at the positions they did was because that is where they thought the players ranked or how they prioritized their picks. So please I don't buy that excuse. To every player you listed above, I can show a corresponding player that was picked lower that blossomed.
Who said we had to pick DT in round 3? We picked a DT there because that is where we thought the value was. Alvin Kamara, Kuper Kupp, Chris Goodwin, Kareem Hunt, Shaquille Griffin were all picked in round 3.
1. You can't say the tools you have at your disposal are sub par when you are the one who selected the tools
2. Many teams have found players late in drafts and made them better. Even the Vikings have done that. Again, they had a year to develop the players and build a competitive roster.
What in the wide world of sports are you talking about? You do realize that 6 out of the 7 players were backups forced into action because of injury or an opt out, right? That Odenigbo is starting because Hunter is out. Johnson is starting because Pierce is out. Wonnum is starting because Holmes is out. Wilson moved over to Sam because Barr is out. Lynch and Nickerson starting because Kendricks, Davis and Dye were all out.
Sure, I guess you can SAY that Odenigbo, Johnson, Lynch and Nickerson should’ve been able to come in and play just as good as the starters who had 7 PRO BOWLS between them, because, hey, the Vikings picked their tools, had their tools at their disposal for a year, and, goddammit, should have been able to turn them into the kind of players Hunter, Pierce, Barr and Kendricks were…but that would be crazy.
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