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12-14-2020, 05:54 AM

We are on to nowhere land that is 8-8, normal Vikings territory in the past 20 years.

12-14-2020, 12:22 PM

Even Tommy Kramer checked in and said, 'Just do your job. Make the kicks. Its no an organization or coaching issue. When does not doing your job in the kicking department in a game situation suddenly become a coaching problem??' (paraphrasing)

12-14-2020, 01:00 PM

Quote: @StickyBun said:
Even Tommy Kramer checked in and said, 'Just do your job. Make the kicks. Its no an organization or coaching issue. When does not doing your job in the kicking department in a game situation suddenly become a coaching problem??' (paraphrasing)

If Kirk was having an off day and was missing receivers by entire zip codes,, but the game was still close, would you tell the OC to dial up more pass plays and give up valuable field position by throwing a bomb on 4th down? That is essentially what Zimmer did by trying that 54 yards. I dont know any coach that would suggest working through bad form/mental issues by attempting the hardest kicks to get your confidence back.

Smart play there would have been to punt. Even a touch back would have been 24 yards of field position gained. A run for no yards would have been 7 yards gained.

I agree with Olson here, in that moment the right option would have been take the field position over the long odds of Bailey making that kick.

12-14-2020, 01:17 PM

Given the factors--down, distance, score, Bailey's history at that distance, and the two missed kicks earlier in the game, I kick that field goal probably 10 times outta 10.

I have my problems with Zimmer but that wasn't one of them. In fact, my biggest problem with him (game prep) wasn't an issue in this game. We seemed to have come out well prepared.

12-14-2020, 01:18 PM

7th best record since 2014

12-14-2020, 01:45 PM

Quote: @StickyBun said:
Even Tommy Kramer checked in and said, 'Just do your job. Make the kicks. Its no an organization or coaching issue. When does not doing your job in the kicking department in a game situation suddenly become a coaching problem??' (paraphrasing)

When it goes on continuously for 7 years? Just like not building an oline for years and years. Sure blame the players, makes sense. Get a new kicker today. And when he turns into a head case blame him and get a new guy again. And again.

But God forbid the guys who are in charge ever be held accountable, we can't have that.... extensions for all!

12-14-2020, 01:50 PM

Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
7th best record since 2014

Jason Garrett territory. 'Hurray we're sorta good but we'll never win anything.' That's your cuppa tea, cool. I expect better, especially from an ownership that brags ad nauseum via the p.r. department about it's championship intent and philosophy and alleged wonderfulness.

12-14-2020, 01:53 PM

Quote: @comet52 said:

@StickyBun said:
Even Tommy Kramer checked in and said, 'Just do your job. Make the kicks. Its no an organization or coaching issue. When does not doing your job in the kicking department in a game situation suddenly become a coaching problem??' (paraphrasing)
But God forbid the guys who are in charge ever be held accountable, we can't have that.... extensions for all!

I'm not saying that and never have: I've been critical of both Zimmer and Spielman. What I'm talking about is specific to this game, which I've said now ad nauseam.

12-14-2020, 01:58 PM

Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Given the factors--down, distance, score, Bailey's history at that distance, and the two missed kicks earlier in the game, I kick that field goal probably 10 times outta 10.

I have my problems with Zimmer but that wasn't one of them. In fact, my biggest problem with him (game prep) wasn't an issue in this game. We seemed to have come out well prepared.

This is exactly what I have said time without number. Thanks for explaining it very well. I don't have any problem with that decision.

12-14-2020, 02:07 PM

Quote: @comet52 said:

@StickyBun said:
Even Tommy Kramer checked in and said, 'Just do your job. Make the kicks. Its no an organization or coaching issue. When does not doing your job in the kicking department in a game situation suddenly become a coaching problem??' (paraphrasing)
When it goes on continuously for 7 years? Just like not building an oline for years and years. Sure blame the players, makes sense. Get a new kicker today. And when he turns into a head case blame him and get a new guy again. And again.

So...wait, what? We should get a new guy? Or keep the old guy, because if we got a new guy and he turns into a head case like the old guy, instead of blaming the coach like we should, we would just blame new guy, cut him, and get a newer guy? Is that pretty much it?

If you're saying that Zim is too impatient with kickers, I might agree. That Carlson guy has turned into a pretty good kicker for the Raiders. But the decision to move on from Blair Walsh has turned into a wise decision.

Up until last week, Bailey had been pretty good. And he was very good last year. Do you move on from that after a two-game slump? Maybe. Tough call. But whatever decision is made, you can bet it will be the wrong one.