GM Does About Face...

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@Chuckf said:
That is all great and stuff, but what source will produce the electricity to charge these vehicles?   

and along comes Chuck to poke that hornets nest... why coal of coarse!   B)

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In the Dakota's, methane may be a good source of energy, cow belching and farts produces between 160-320 liters a day.  So the infrastructure may already be there.   

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@BigAl99 said:
In the Dakota's, methane may be a good source of energy, cow belching and farts produces between 160-320 liters a day.  So the infrastructure may already be there.   

aah, but you have to capture it, and to do that effectively you need to keep the animals in a confinement which typically leads to a mess of environmental issues, so pick your poison.  also where its been tried on large scales its been a disaster in terms of maintenance costs.  

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@JimmyinSD said:

@Chuckf said:
That is all great and stuff, but what source will produce the electricity to charge these vehicles?   

and along comes Chuck to poke that hornets nest... why coal of coarse!   B)

Yes, it is coal. But this is the kind of cynical political game playing I'm talking about. Progress takes time and we're not going to become zero-carbon overnight. No one believes we will.

Eliminating fossil fuels from car emissions is a start, a huge step in the right direction. Reducing greenhouse gas production in electrical power plants is behind, but actually moving in the same direction. I think I read about half of all coal plants in the US have either been retired or converted to cleaner energy. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:
In the Dakota's, methane may be a good source of energy, cow belching and farts produces between 160-320 liters a day.  So the infrastructure may already be there.   

aah, but you have to capture it, and to do that effectively you need to keep the animals in a confinement which typically leads to a mess of environmental issues, so pick your poison.  also where its been tried on large scales its been a disaster in terms of maintenance costs.  

What comes to mind is sealed tank cars, kind pay as you ride, capture it for a few hours, fire up the generator, and viola recharge on the fly.  Your later point also makes the Dakotas the perfect place, if it's a disaster who would admit it. 

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@BigAl99 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:
In the Dakota's, methane may be a good source of energy, cow belching and farts produces between 160-320 liters a day.  So the infrastructure may already be there.   

aah, but you have to capture it, and to do that effectively you need to keep the animals in a confinement which typically leads to a mess of environmental issues, so pick your poison.  also where its been tried on large scales its been a disaster in terms of maintenance costs.  

What comes to mind is sealed tank cars, kind pay as you ride, capture it for a few hours, fire up the generator, and viola recharge on the fly.  Your later point also makes the Dakotas the perfect place, if it's a disaster who would admit it. 

I dont think you understand how methane capture works or how concentrated it would need to be to even come close to capturing it and then concentrating it enough for combustion.  The wasted fuel required to haul all that equipment around would make it a net loss endeavor. 

The people that tried it admitted it was a waste,  thats why they aren't doing it any longer.  But keep taking your pot shots,  sooner or later you will hit your mark.

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Oh really.

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GM Will Pay Cadillac Dealerships Over $500,000 to Go Away If They’d Rather Not Sell EVsCadillac has wanted to thin its dealership herd for a while, and the high price of EV upgrades plus a beefy buyout deal might just do it.
Cadillac is staring down an awkwardly-named all-electric future, but not all of its dealerships are ready for some $200,000 in mandated upgrades, including the charging infrastructure, training and tooling to handle the cars. So, General Motors is offering them an easy out, Automotive News reports. Cadillac dealerships who aren't onboard with the automaker's big electric vehicle push can get upwards of half a million bucks to simply drop the brand. 

The brand's first full-electric vehicle, the Lyriq crossover, drops nine months earlier than Cadillac originally planned in early 2022, and the brand hopes to go full-electric by 2030, so they don't have much time to pump up dealerships who are uncertain with these changes. GM is also investing big in Cadillac's electric and autonomous budget, Automotive News notes, to the tune of 35% more through 2025. 
So, instead of spending too much time gathering everyone into the electric fold, the brand is looking towards something they've wanted to do quite a bit in recent years: cull some dealerships. 
"We wanted to move fast and make sure dealers are ready for the acceleration," Cadillac North America Vice President Mahmoud Samara told Automotive News. "This is purely an option for those dealers who feel the EV journey is not suitable for them."
Former Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen firmly believed that Cadillac had too many dealers compared to its competition, as if playing harder-to-get-service is some marker of luxury, or maybe just that sharing service bays with Chevy Cobalts wasn't the best look. Under de Nysschen's leadership in 2016, Cadillac's 400 lowest-volume dealerships were offered a similar voluntary buyout, but for less money: $100,000 to $180,000. Few took them up on it at the time.  
This time, all 880 U.S. Cadillac dealers have until November 30 to decide whether they'd like to make the necessary EV upgrades or take the money and run. While Cadillac declined to give Automotive News any specifics on terms, and dealerships who take the buyouts are prohibited from discussing their terms, offers Automotive News learned of have ranged from $300,000 to over $500,000—with dealerships who play hard-to-convince often walking away with more. 
To put this in perspective, for some of the lowest-volume Cadillac sellers, $300,000-$400,000 in buyout money may be more than they make on five to 10 years of new Cadillac sales. However, lawyer Len Bellavia explained to Automotive News that a franchise alone is worth more than $300,000 to $500,000, and for dealers looking at the long-haul, this buyout may simply not be enough:
"If I'm 50 years old and planned on keeping [the dealership] for 20 more years and making half a million a year, how does $300,000 to $500,000 make me whole? Any franchise on its worst day could be worth over a million dollars, unrelated to how many cars the dealer is selling."
Unless an alternate arrangement is made, dealers who take the buyout will have new Cadillac inventory through 2021 and access to Cadillac's used vehicle auctions through 2024. Samara declined to tell Automotive News how many dealerships took them up on the offer. 
Perhaps this deal will make it tougher for Aunt Edna in Bumblepines, Texas, to get her XTS serviced, but it's clear that she's not who Cadillac feels is their target market anymore. It's tough to say exactly who Cadillac thinks they're for nowadays, though, with all the whiplash over everything from high-performance V-cars to the death-by-wiener-stepping of the short-lived Blackwing V8 to some genuinely lackluster crossovers. There's some vague notion of "Youth! Maybe?," but that's about all I can figure out for sure.
I want to be optimistic that focusing on fewer dealers will allow them to cultivate some kind of focus elsewhere—especially in their product lineup. I want to believe! Yet if there's anything Cadillac's confusing recent history shows us for sure, it's that one does not merely emulate the superficial aspects of other luxury brands and find success.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/37801/gm-will-pay-cadillac-dealerships-over-500000-to-go-away-if-theyd-rather-not-sell-evs

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Reminds me of a song lyric: "You can stay if you want but for the 3rd time you can leave."