11-08-2020, 02:12 PM
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Fat lady sings. Biden is your new POTUS
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11-08-2020, 02:22 PM
Quote: @AGRforever said:Not so sure about that. Went to a place yesterday in South Florida called Johnnie Browns: its a bar with live music and food. This was about 3:00 pm. As my wife and I get out of the Uber in front of the place, 4 cars with Biden signs were honking and waving down the street and passed in front. About 15 people inside JBs yelled 'Fuck you!!' and flipped them off screaming the whole time. Real white trash dumbshits. Kids all over the place, they didn't care. So lets not act like the Trumpers are just this big group of sweethearts. It's laughable.
11-08-2020, 04:38 PM
Did any three locations have a bigger impact on the election than Philly, Atlanta and Phoenix? I just think it’s perfect that America defeated its biggest threat to democracy in the city where it was born….said no to hate and divisiveness in the city where civil rights icons Dr. King and John Lewis lived…and said no to petty and juvenile nastiness in the home of "loser," John McCain. Shine the light, Philadelphia. It's a day to celebrate. https://twitter.com/Medusa_A_LaMode/stat...28738?s=20 https://twitter.com/JayRollinsArt/status...13859?s=20 https://twitter.com/saraschaefer1/status...40006?s=20 https://twitter.com/bencschmitt/status/1...72577?s=20
11-08-2020, 04:47 PM
This whole election underscores how polarized the country is. No blue wave, new POTUS.
I heard something this morning from a data analyst that I thought was fascinating and confirming all at the same time
Is there a political reward for working together or being "in the middle?" Thats a tough line to identify, let alone live by. I was telling people long ago the words of "Defund The Police" would be devastatingly destructive to liberals politically and I was right. I think it's a significant causal for why so many Republicans kept their seats. And look, living in Mpls for 50+ years??? I believe there is tremendous systemic racism here. From housing regulations and so much more. I believe in the need/notion of evolving how we keep communities safe and police, I empathize greatly for black parents worried about their kids and having to have "the talk." But you'd better be prepared for the consequences if you freak-out 1/2 the country with labels like that one. On top of it all? The changing demographics that were brought up in this thread earlier. Both parties have so much work to do...
11-08-2020, 04:59 PM
What started it all honestly was something that Hilary Clinton said when she called Trump's base 'deplorables'. That was an inflection point. It was harsh and really sunk home her elitist ideology. IMO, she would have won the election if not for that comment. It galvanized the far Right and created even greater separation.
11-09-2020, 12:58 AM
Quote: @StickyBun said:
11-09-2020, 02:58 PM
The old sage nails it: House Majority Whip James Clyburn criticized calls to "defund the police" during several media appearances on Sunday, saying that the phrase hurt Democratic congressional candidates and could potentially derail the Black Lives Matter movement.Clyburn said on CNN's "State of the Union" that he'd spoken with the late Rep. John Lewis about the phrase this summer, the two concluding "that it had the possibilities of doing to the Black Lives Matter movement and current movements across the country what 'Burn, baby, burn' did to us back in 1960." Clyburn, a prominent student activist during the civil rights movement who has ascended to become the nation's most powerful Black legislator, has repeatedly denounced calls to "defund the police" as "sloganeering" that harms the overall cause of the Black Lives Matter movement. The South Carolina Democ points to his own generation of activists' experience with provocative catchphrases for his reasoning. "We lost that movement over that slogan," he said of the phrase "Burn, baby, burn," which became a popular song and chant during the 1965 Watts Riots, and later again during the riots that followed the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968. Clyburn also cited calls to "defund the police" as a reason why Democrats lost races for Congress in the election, saying "these headlines can kill a political effort." "I really believe that that's what cost Joe Cunningham his seat," Clyburn said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" as to why the freshman Democratic congressman lost his bid for reelection. Cunningham's Republican challenger, Nancy Mace, ran Facebook ads calling to "defend, not defund the police," attempting to tie Cunningham to the phrase. "Jaime Harrison started to plateau when 'defund the police' showed up with a caption on TV, ran across his head. That stuff hurt Jaime," Clyburn also said of the South Carolina Democratic Senate candidate, who was a former aide and mentee of Clyburn's. Despite record campaign donations, Harrison lost his bid to unseat Republican incumbent Sen. Lindsey Graham by more than 10 percentage points. Clyburn's comments also come alongside a broader Democratic reckoning about why the party underperformed expectations in races across the country. The anger among House Democrats came to a boil during a private caucus call on Thursday where some members insisted that calls to "defund the police" and attacks tying Democrats to "socialism" cost several members their seats in Congress. Progressive Democrats have pushed back on the characterization, claiming that such attacks are inevitable or more easily blunted with stricter and bolder messaging. Calls to "defund the police" gained prominence this summer during national protests for racial justice after the killing of George Floyd. The phrase varies in meaning from calls for police reform to the reallocation of resources from law enforcement to social services to the full defunding and abolition of police forces. Clyburn has not been shy about the electoral consequences of the rhetoric, emphasizing in June during the height of the protests that "We need the police. We want the police. They have a role to play." Integral to Clyburn's critique is the idea that the phrase distorts the intentions of many activists who support using the term. "I don't want us to allow sloganeering to hijack this movement & cause people of goodwill to resist making the changes we need to make," Clyburn said on MSNBC in June. Even as public opinion on police officers has fallen sharply, polls find that most Americans still oppose "defunding the police" when asked. Polling at the height of the protests this summer found only an average of 31% of respondents supported "defunding the police." Most Americans agree, however, that policing in the United States requires serious changes, according to a July Gallup poll. That same poll found 47% support reducing police department budgets and shifting the money to social programs versus 28% who oppose. A July study from the Pew Research Center also found that three-quarters of Americans support keeping funding for their local police departments the same or increasing the budgets. Black Americans and Democrats are the most open to sweeping police reform, though polls consistently show both groups are less enthusiastic about complete defunding. Clyburn, who played a major role in changing the trajectory of President-elect Joe Biden's campaign during the Democratic primary, has been an advocate for a more compromising approach to politics that he believes would better enable progressive change. "I feel very strongly we can't pick up these things just because it makes a good headline," Clyburn warned. "It sometimes destroys headway. We need to work on what makes headway, rather than what makes headlines. "https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/08/james-clyburn-defund-police-cost-democrats-seats-hurt-black-lives-matter/6216371002/
11-09-2020, 03:19 PM
Quote: @AGRforever said:
11-09-2020, 03:48 PM
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
11-09-2020, 04:06 PM
You dont have to look hard to find anything you want:
Arkansas police chief resigns after threatening DemocratsMARSHALL, Ark. — The police chief of a small Arkansas city has resigned after posting online threats of violence that targeted Democrats. Marshall Mayor Kevin Elliott said in a statement Saturday that Police Chief Lang Holland had resigned effective immediately. Elliott said the city “strongly condemns” Holland's posts. He said the community doesn't “in any way support or condone bullying or threats of violence to anyone of any political persuasion.” Holland made the comments on Parler, a right-wing site similar to Twitter, and they were no longer viewable as of Saturday evening, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported. In his posts, Holland echoed President Donald Trump’s baseless allegations that the election wasn’t fair and that “illegal” votes were counted, the newspaper reported. In one post, Holland said that when seeing a “Marxist Democrat” in public, one should “get in their face and do not give them peace.” He continued: “Throw water on them at restaurants. Push them off sidewalks. Never let them forget they are traitors and have no right to live in this Republic after what they have done.” Another stated: “Death to all Marxist Democrats. Take no prisoners leave no survivors!!” Holland also shared an illustration that included Democratic leaders, including former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, wearing orange prison-style jumpsuits, the paper reported. “I pray all those in that picture hang on the gallows and are drawn and quartered!!!!” he wrote. “Anything less is not acceptable.” Holland had been police chief in Marshall, a city of about 1,300 in the Ozarks, for the past two years, Elliott said. A home phone number for Holland couldn't be found. Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican, told the newspaper on Saturday that Holland's comments were “dangerous” and that Holland’s departure would be merited. Holland was among a number of police chiefs and sheriffs in Arkansas who said they wouldn't support Hutchinson's statewide face mask requirement aimed to curb the spread of the coronavirus. After Hutchinson signed the order in July, Holland called it an unconstitutional overreach and said he wouldn't make his officers wear masks. At the time, Holland, who said he supported President Donald Trump, said: “All I'm saying is if you want to wear a mask, you have the freedom to choose that. It should not be dictated by the nanny state." Holland was among a number of police chiefs and sheriffs in Arkansas who said they wouldn’t support Hutchinson’s statewide face mask requirement aimed to curb the spread of the coronavirus. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...218557002/ |
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