Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Sharpies? Pffft....
Anyone else remember the fun of hanging chads???
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hanging chads, pregnant chads, we learned so much from Florida that year.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
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Interesting...I actually think that PA may go Biden with all the urban/suburb mail in votes rolling in. Last I saw I think it was at 64% reporting - far fewer than Wi or MI
80% reporting-- Trump leads PA by about 9% he could still lose it, but that one is getting closer to the point that you just assume he has it. IMO the only one left to watch is Nevada ( 25% still to report and biden leading by less than 8k votes). Maybe Michigan, about 9% left to report, but Biden is leading by a bit more there at about 33K votes.
Murmurings that Az not final/done?.....Early call to Biden (by Fox) some kind of retribution?
If so... Az reversal would be yuge.
looks like some major issues in AZ. Sharpies bled thru leading to invalidated ballots. Hand recounts possible.
Bottom line, this is gonna drag out for quite a while yet.
seriously? Who the hell came up with using markers for voting? seriously who the hell thought that would be a good idea? also, how many damn ballots are they giving each person that its bleeding through onto the next ballot?
States used Sharpies because they are smudge-proof. If the machine takes it, it's fine. Even in a normal election, one missed oval or contradiction and the machine spits your ballot out. The machines only read the ovals. Black or blue ink is required. If you used a red sharpie, that'd be a different story
im left handed and I can assure you that sharpies are indeed NOT smudge proof. we used #2 pencils until a couple years ago and now they have ink pens to fill in the ovals.
https://www.azfamily.com/news/politics/e...ca009.html
TAKE IT FWIW:
Biden projected to win MichiganJoe Biden is projected to win Michigan, perhaps the state he most needed to take back from President Donald Trump in his bid to become the nation’s 46th president.
NBC and CNN both projected Biden would win the state.
Biden overcame a hefty Trump lead on Wednesday in the “blue wall” state, which along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had crumbled in 2016, as more absentee ballots were counted.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Interesting...I actually think that PA may go Biden with all the urban/suburb mail in votes rolling in. Last I saw I think it was at 64% reporting - far fewer than Wi or MI
80% reporting-- Trump leads PA by about 9% he could still lose it, but that one is getting closer to the point that you just assume he has it. IMO the only one left to watch is Nevada ( 25% still to report and biden leading by less than 8k votes). Maybe Michigan, about 9% left to report, but Biden is leading by a bit more there at about 33K votes.
Murmurings that Az not final/done?.....Early call to Biden (by Fox) some kind of retribution?
If so... Az reversal would be yuge.
looks like some major issues in AZ. Sharpies bled thru leading to invalidated ballots. Hand recounts possible.
Bottom line, this is gonna drag out for quite a while yet.
seriously? Who the hell came up with using markers for voting? seriously who the hell thought that would be a good idea? also, how many damn ballots are they giving each person that its bleeding through onto the next ballot?
States used Sharpies because they are smudge-proof. If the machine takes it, it's fine. Even in a normal election, one missed oval or contradiction and the machine spits your ballot out. The machines only read the ovals. Black or blue ink is required. If you used a red sharpie, that'd be a different story
im left handed and I can assure you that sharpies are indeed NOT smudge proof. we used #2 pencils until a couple years ago and now they have ink pens to fill in the ovals.
So youre telling me us hillbillies down south are advanced enough to require an ID to make sure you are who you say you are AND a button to push to vote with?
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
TAKE IT FWIW:
Biden projected to win MichiganJoe Biden is projected to win Michigan, perhaps the state he most needed to take back from President Donald Trump in his bid to become the nation’s 46th president.
NBC and CNN both projected Biden would win the state.
Biden overcame a hefty Trump lead on Wednesday in the “blue wall” state, which along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had crumbled in 2016, as more absentee ballots were counted.
If Arizona stays as is, then Biden just needs Nevada, right/
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
TAKE IT FWIW:
Biden projected to win MichiganJoe Biden is projected to win Michigan, perhaps the state he most needed to take back from President Donald Trump in his bid to become the nation’s 46th president.
NBC and CNN both projected Biden would win the state.
Biden overcame a hefty Trump lead on Wednesday in the “blue wall” state, which along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had crumbled in 2016, as more absentee ballots were counted.
If Arizona stays as is, then Biden just needs Nevada, right/
Yes, thats my understanding as well.
PA and the rest wouldn't matter if that happens.
Spent the morning bemoaning the fact that I had to be in all-day meeting. But now I'm glad I wasn't able to keep up with the returns. Too stressful and really not any different than when I got up at 5 am.
Nate Silver has a pretty good blog going with several insiders...
Where The Race Stands For NowWe’re taking a bit of a pause on the live blog until we get more results from Arizona and Georgia — expected around 9 p.m. ET and potentially — in Arizona, anyway — again at 12:30 a.m. ET.
This initial overview from me got a bit buried earlier after Michigan was projected for Biden, so I wanted to leave you with this in the meantime. Some of the numbers are a little outdated as of now, but only by an hour or so.
Quote:Here’s where the presidential race stands from most likely Trump win to least likely Trump win:
North Carolina. Trump leads by 1.4 points or about 77,000 votes, but mail ballots can arrive after Election Day in North Carolina, so perhaps 5 percent of the vote is still outstanding. The mail vote should be pretty blue in North Carolina, but is it enough to flip the state? Probably not, according to The Upshot’s needle, which gave Biden about a 15 percent chance in North Carolina before it was frozen. I’d call this one Likely Trump, although 15 percent chances aren’t zero, obviously!
Georgia. Trump leads by 78,000 votes without around 200,000 votes outstanding (there’s some uncertainty over the exact number). That gap seems like a tall order for Biden to close, but the remaining vote is expected to be very blue: mail votes from blue counties plus some Election Day votes from predominantly Black precincts in blue counties. The Upshot’s needle actually had Biden slightly favored to pull it off as of last night. We’ll know more soon. Let’s say Toss-up, but you could force me into Lean Biden if you told me I had to make a pick.
Pennsylvania. As expected, far more uncounted votes here than elsewhere, mostly mail votes that should be quite Democratic-leaning, though. There are too many outstanding ballots for us to be in the endgame where we can game out exact scenarios, but in counties that have completed reporting, Biden looks to be hitting the targets he needs. Even with the Trump campaign filing a number of lawsuits, the margin is tightening quickly enough that I think this belongs in Lean Biden.
Arizona. We may need to do a longer post on Arizona later. What’s left to count is mostly mail votes that were returned late in the process — on Monday or Tuesday. There’s some ambiguity about how many ballots this actually is; Edison Research seems to think around 450,000. If so, Trump would need to win those votes by 21 points to overtake Biden’s current 93,000-vote lead. They’re distributed fairly evenly throughout the state.
Wait — outstanding mail votes? Shouldn’t those be good for Biden, as they are in other states? Well, not necessarily, because Republicans have a fairly strong mail voting program in Arizona and — this is the key part — the mail ballots that were returned later in the process (the ones yet to be counted) were significantly redder than the ones that came in earlier on, as Democrats sent their votes in early. For instance, the party registration breakdown of the votes that came in Monday and Tuesday was: 23 percent Democratic, 44 percent Republican, and 33 percent independent or other parties. That is to say, a 21-point GOP edge, which would put Trump on track to tie things up.
But … here’s the bad news for Trump. Party registration may be a misleading indicator in Arizona. The state has a lot of ancestral Republicans who have now turned into swing voters. Biden also had a big lead among independents in polls. And earlier batches of mail ballots were considerably stronger for Biden than party registration alone would suggest. So probably these ballots are going to come in more for Trump than for Biden, but not as strongly as he needs.
There’s also the fact that two other news organizations, the Associated Press and Fox News, have called the state for Biden. I’d assume they’ve looked into this more than I have, so that shifts my priors a bit, but you never know and you do get incorrect calls occasionally. Overall, I’d say this is Likely Biden, but I don’t think the state should have been called yet.
Nevada. This one’s a bit more straightforward. Biden leads by only 0.6 percent, or about 7,500 votes. But what’s remaining should be pretty good for him. It’s all mail-in ballots that were either received late in the process or that are still coming in — in Nevada, mail ballots can be received by Nov. 10 provided they’re postmarked by Election Day. The mail ballots were quite blue in Nevada by party registration, much more so than in Arizona, including votes that arrived relatively late in the process. Likely Biden.
Wisconsin. No known votes left to be counted. The Trump campaign says it will seek a recount, but recounts rarely change results, and certainly not with something on the magnitude of Biden’s 20,000-vote lead. Biden is the “apparent winner,” per ABC News.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Interesting...I actually think that PA may go Biden with all the urban/suburb mail in votes rolling in. Last I saw I think it was at 64% reporting - far fewer than Wi or MI
80% reporting-- Trump leads PA by about 9% he could still lose it, but that one is getting closer to the point that you just assume he has it. IMO the only one left to watch is Nevada ( 25% still to report and biden leading by less than 8k votes). Maybe Michigan, about 9% left to report, but Biden is leading by a bit more there at about 33K votes.
Murmurings that Az not final/done?.....Early call to Biden (by Fox) some kind of retribution?
If so... Az reversal would be yuge.
looks like some major issues in AZ. Sharpies bled thru leading to invalidated ballots. Hand recounts possible.
Bottom line, this is gonna drag out for quite a while yet.
seriously? Who the hell came up with using markers for voting? seriously who the hell thought that would be a good idea? also, how many damn ballots are they giving each person that its bleeding through onto the next ballot?
States used Sharpies because they are smudge-proof. If the machine takes it, it's fine. Even in a normal election, one missed oval or contradiction and the machine spits your ballot out. The machines only read the ovals. Black or blue ink is required. If you used a red sharpie, that'd be a different story
im left handed and I can assure you that sharpies are indeed NOT smudge proof. we used #2 pencils until a couple years ago and now they have ink pens to fill in the ovals.
So youre telling me us hillbillies down south are advanced enough to require an ID to make sure you are who you say you are AND a button to push to vote with?
I guess its because they didn't think yall were capable of using a pencil?
SD requires a picture ID as well, only makes sense IMO to limit fraud and ensure a fair election.
Still cant get over that had Trump not been a shithead to Mccain on his death bed he might have kept AZ red
Quote: @AGRforever said:
Still cant get over that had Trump not been a shithead to Mccain on his death bed he might have kept AZ red
Had Hillary visited WI more she could have kept it blue.
My point being, that is not the only reason he may have lost AZ (given the results are not final).
In this day and age everyone is quick to provide the "reason" something happened forgetting humans have a very complex decision making process.
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