Harry for a late 2nd
Rudy for a 5th
Reiff for a 4th
Adam for . . not for your life. Unless you are getting a 1st AND another pick, you keep Adam until we bury him in Purple. End of story.
This team moves on from these 4 because of Kirk Fucking Cousins and Spielman, fuck this franchise
Quote: @Skodin said:
Harry for a late 2nd
Rudy for a 5th
Reiff for a 4th
Adam for . . not for your life. Unless you are getting a 1st AND another pick, you keep Adam until we bury him in Purple. End of story.
This team moves on from these 4 because of Kirk Fucking Cousins and Spielman, fuck this franchise
Double thumbs up Skodin! Don't want Speilman or Zimmer controlling our future drafts or any future decisions after this season. Actually, can their ass now...
I don't see a sell off because other teams are looking for bargains compensation wise....and Minnesota wants good value. I don't think they'll get it so no deal. But if its a salary dump, then maybe.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I don't see a sell off because other teams are looking for bargains compensation wise....and Minnesota wants good value. I don't think they'll get it so no deal. But if its a salary dump, then maybe.
It's got to be both, we know they are well over the cap so they are going to have to dump a bunch of salary, and at the same time they need more draft ammo to ensure that this rebuild is as short of a process as possible so its a sell off.
Quote: @Skodin said:
Harry for a late 2nd
Rudy for a 5th
Reiff for a 4th
Adam for . . not for your life. Unless you are getting a 1st AND another pick, you keep Adam until we bury him in Purple. End of story.
None of those players would bring the picks you're suggesting. Every one of them is over 30 and every one of the has a big contract. Players like that don't draw valuable picks in return. What's more, everyone knows the Vikings are dumping salary, which lessens their value even more. Remember, it's happened in the NFL where a team trades a player AND a pick in order to get a team to take on his contract. That won't happen with these guys, but they're certainly not going to draw picks like that in return. And you're not getting a 1st for Adam either.
We're $3M Over right now in 2021
Barr, Reiff, Rudolph seem like no brainers.
Kirk Cousins has that contract clause that guarantees his 2022 $35M base salary if he's on the team in 2021, but we'd eat $41M in 2021, so ...
Cap Hits - 2021, Cap Savings if Cut
Cousins - $31, -$10
Hunter - $17, $6
Barr - $15, $7
Reiff - $14, $12
Thielen - $13.5, $8
Kendricks - $12.5, $2.5
Smith - $10, $10
Rudolph - $9.5, $5
Cook - $5.2, -$7
Stephen - $5, $4
Pierce - $5, -$4
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Skodin said:
Harry for a late 2nd
Rudy for a 5th
Reiff for a 4th
Adam for . . not for your life. Unless you are getting a 1st AND another pick, you keep Adam until we bury him in Purple. End of story.
None of those players would bring the picks you're suggesting. Every one of them is over 30 and every one of the has a big contract. Players like that don't draw valuable picks in return. What's more, everyone knows the Vikings are dumping salary, which lessens their value even more. Remember, it's happened in the NFL where a team trades a player AND a pick in order to get a team to take on his contract. That won't happen with these guys, but they're certainly not going to draw picks like that in return. And you're not getting a 1st for Adam either.
True. Probably more like a 6th for any one of them. Every team knows all 3 will be waived this offseason so they are only paying for the rest of this season.
I'm hoping the front office can break that nasty trend of always trading back in the draft. Hopefully, they stockpile lots of draft picks and start trading up for quality starters...As it looks, this will be a 2 to 3 year project anyways.
Quote: @medaille said:
We're $3M Over right now in 2021
Barr, Reiff, Rudolph seem like no brainers.
Kirk Cousins has that contract clause that guarantees his 2022 $35M base salary if he's on the team in 2021, but we'd eat $41M in 2021, so ...
Cap Hits - 2021, Cap Savings if Cut
Cousins - $31, -$10
Hunter - $17, $6
Barr - $15, $7
Reiff - $14, $12
Thielen - $13.5, $8
Kendricks - $12.5, $2.5
Smith - $10, $10
Rudolph - $9.5, $5
Cook - $5.2, -$7
Stephen - $5, $4
Pierce - $5, -$4
Over the Cap has the Vikings at 8.7 million over for 2021, Spotrac has us about 5 million over, either way we need to do some serious work.
as far as Cousins goes, we can cut him after the year with a June 1st designation which will then leave that addional 10 million of prorated bonus on 2022 instead of accelerating it into next years cap, so 31 million in 2021 and 10 in 2022... so we got that going for us.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ medaille said:
We're $3M Over right now in 2021
Barr, Reiff, Rudolph seem like no brainers.
Kirk Cousins has that contract clause that guarantees his 2022 $35M base salary if he's on the team in 2021, but we'd eat $41M in 2021, so ...
Cap Hits - 2021, Cap Savings if Cut
Cousins - $31, -$10
Hunter - $17, $6
Barr - $15, $7
Reiff - $14, $12
Thielen - $13.5, $8
Kendricks - $12.5, $2.5
Smith - $10, $10
Rudolph - $9.5, $5
Cook - $5.2, -$7
Stephen - $5, $4
Pierce - $5, -$4
Over the Cap has the Vikings at 8.7 million over for 2021, Spotrac has us about 5 million over, either way we need to do some serious work.
as far as Cousins goes, we can cut him after the year with a June 1st designation which will then leave that addional 10 million of prorated bonus on 2022 instead of accelerating it into next years cap, so 31 million in 2021 and 10 in 2022... so we got that going for us.
overthecap initially had the cap number for 2021 at 215 mil.
Now the number is down to 176 mil because the league and the players union agreed to a floor of 176 mil. But they are negotiating still.
Considering the TV contracts are coming up for renewal by 2022, that money is what drove that initial 215 mil number.
I expect that the two sides will reach an agreement where the cap stays at 198.2 mil for at least two seasons.
If you subtract the 198 from the 215 you get 17 mil per team saved in 2021.
overthecap has the 2022 number at 227.5 mil. If you subtract the 198 from the 227 you get 29 mil per team saved.
In two years they can save 46 mil per team which is about 1.47 billion.
I could see them keeping the cap at 198 for another season too.
They are smarter than me so they will figure out how to smooth it out over 5 or more seasons.
There are too many teams way over the cap next year to lower it to 176 mil.
Having said all that, the two players most likely not to return for sure are Reiff and Stephen.
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