Reboot this shit show

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Whats more beneficial for Vikings team of 2021 and 2022?

Finishing with 5 wins this year or 2?

If a fan wants to keep rooting, by all means have at it. After 5 decades of watching Vikings football? I know a bad team when I see it. This is 2013 bad. 

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@ArizonaViking said:
When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

Tanking is a FANtasy, so its a perfectly qualified take.  Its a product of hopelessness with the current situation. 

We have to draft better with the picks we get, especially the high and mid rounders. We have to coach better and we have to execute better. 

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@Bullazin said:

@ArizonaViking said:
When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

Tanking is a FANtasy, so its a perfectly qualified take.  Its a product of hopelessness with the current situation. 

We have to draft better with the picks we get, especially the high and mid rounders. We have to coach better and we have to execute better. 

That's not fantasy, you just spoken "Reality"...

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@ArizonaViking said:
When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

It is a little early for tanking. But you can do both. Put in youngsters like Cleveland, Collins, Udoh, Lynch, etc and go out there and try to win every game. If you continue to lose, there's a parting gift at the end in the form of a good young QB. If you win, you don't get the QB, but you put yourself in a better position for next year. 

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My personal attitude about intentionally tanking is that it's risky. You can miss the opportunity anyway, the player you want can get hurt (e.g. Tua), or they can fail no matter how "can't miss" the scouts say he is. But if fans are hoping we get a great talent when the team looks awful? Fine, hope all you want, we have no real say anyway!
Accusations about loyalty, not being a "real fan", etc. are one of the worst parts of fandom. But they pop up a lot and on this board. Some posters, including some I liked discussing with, have left due to criticism of their loyalty, and that's sad.
Sticky is right that loyalty is for family and friends and people in your life who deserve it. A NFL team? Ridiculous. You get trained to have loyalty to sports teams your kids play in, or maybe the local high school team where you know neighbors and relatives. The NFL uses that habit to tell you a team is "Minnesota" even though few or no one involved may be in your state.
NFL teams are entertainment companies. If someone in New Jersey started a film company and hired actors and writers etc. from all over the world but named it "Minnesota Movies", would you faithfully watch all of their movies - and say they were awesome, even if they were awful movies? Wouldn't it encourage them to make better movies if we all openly said they were bad?

We pin on our NFL allegiance by choice and should never get righteous or hostile about it, beyond very soft joking.

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being a fan for over 50 years, I too know when a team has a chance or not, this team cannot compete for a championship and is not in position to compete with the current makeup.  I think the fastest way to being able to compete would be by getting the top choice and getting the best QB prospect since Luck.  The I have watched what they have done since last Feb and could clearly see that there are huge holes in the roster that they filled with 2nd tier players and rookies.  To me they are intentionally putting the team at a competitive disadvantage.   As far as wanting my team to tank, well it will be a much quicker way to get where they want to be than drafting in the middle of rounds for the next 5 - 6 years and being happy with a 8-8 or 9-7 record and losing in the first round.  I want a championship! 

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@Hawkvike25 said:

@Zanary said:

@AGRforever said:

@Zanary said:
MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

So wanting the team to tank to get a generational talent to make the Vikings Super Bowl contenders doesnt make me a real fan? Realizing this team is nowhere near a playoff team and wanting them to get better at the most important position in football makes me not a real fan? I dont mind when people say they dont like tanking, but claiming it makes someone not a real fan is just ignorant.

No, for wanting a possible generational talent...and the odds are always against it, as pointed out above...and being willing to basically piss away the efforts of the existing talent (which is still formidable, even if out of sorts at this time) so we can wait for another generation of QB and surrounding talent to gel just for YOUR edification...

...I stand, easily, by my statement.  I find it to be the most spineless kind of fandom.

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I can guarantee this coaching staff is not interested in tanking for any of these QBs. They are truly trying to win. Their jobs are on the line.

@Zanary:

Football is a great game, but the sad reality is these player and coaches don't get a free pass to lose too many games. It's also a business.

When a fan base loses heart and wants change. You might see it as spineless or pissing away existing talent (as you say), while other might see it as wanting to find improvement or striving to make the most of the talent that is there.

What you're really saying is mediocracy is ok... rooting for a 6-10, 7-9 season will makes me a better fan??? 

Thank for your wisdom oh great one.  

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Maybe we should all look at it this way: no one really wants the Vikings to lose a lot of games, but some are trying to "look for the silver lining" if they do..

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@Carl Knowles said:
I can guarantee this coaching staff is not interested in tanking for any of these QBs. They are truly trying to win. Their jobs are on the line.

@Zanary:

Football is a great game, but the sad reality is these player and coaches don't get a free pass to lose too many games. It's also a business.

When a fan base loses heart and wants change. You might see it as spineless or pissing away existing talent (as you say), while other might see it as wanting to find improvement or striving to make the most of the talent that is there.

What you're really saying is mediocracy is ok... rooting for a 6-10, 7-9 season will makes me a better fan??? 

Thank for your wisdom oh great one.  

You're welcome, I know you can't provide your own!

What I actually say, and I'll try to keep it simple for the quit-b***h-cult, is that it's 3 weeks in, we know we have a ton of kids in important spots, so already talking about tanking for yet another kid who may or may not waste years of development (as most do, look it up) just so that they can fap themselves blind over the next potential draft pick is pathetic.

Were those words too big?  I assume that spinelessness can't really support much brain size.