Reboot this shit show

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@Purpleblooded said:
Quarterbacks picked in the top 10 since 2000 (you don't have to go down very far on this list to realize that drafting one of the top QBs in the draft is still a crapshoot):

Mahomes
Rivers
Ryan
Newton
E. Manning
Vick
Stafford
Luck 
Wentz
Goff
Alex Smith
Palmer
Mayfield
Tannenhill
Sanchez
Bradford
Allen
Darnold
Winston
Trubisky
Mariota
Young
Leftwich
Bortles
RG III
K. Murray
Harrington
David Carr
Gabbert
D. Jones
Leinart
Rosen
Locker
J. Russell

Yep, that's exactly right. The odds are definitely against getting a good one, no matter where you pick. People forget this, but even Mahomes had a lot of questions around him. He was considered a risky, boom or bust player with a lot of scouts siding more on the bust side. 

I will say this, though. The three top QBs in '21 all look to be very good prospects and all three are modern style QBs. Plus, either college is getting better at preparing QBs, or the NFL is getting better at identifying them....considering the early success of Burrow, Murray, Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, etc. It's not a lot better, but it does seem to be a little better than the days of Bortles, Manziel, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, etc. 

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@pattersaur said:


Best case scenario for MIN is a team like the Bengals or Texans gets a top 3 pick and is willing to move it. The price will be astronomical because they’ll be passing on Sewell, but that’s our only shot at a top QB I think. I personally would be fine with just about any price paid if it means we get a cost controlled QB with a big arm and quick feet for the next few seasons. 

Thing is, we have a team with serious gaps in the middle of the OL and DL, and the OL problems are going to hurt the success of any QB, even a mobile QB. If we "earn" the 2nd overall pick and can get Lance or Fields and keep the rest of our draft picks, we might be able to rebuild the team around that QB. But if we land with the 8th or 9th pick, we will be in a bidding war with several teams interested in a QB, trying to move 6-7 slots, and I think we would end up trading most of our 2021 and 2022 picks to do it. Then that great young QB is in a situation where he's playing on a team with big gaps around him and no hope for help  until 2023.

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@Jor-El said:

@pattersaur said:


Best case scenario for MIN is a team like the Bengals or Texans gets a top 3 pick and is willing to move it. The price will be astronomical because they’ll be passing on Sewell, but that’s our only shot at a top QB I think. I personally would be fine with just about any price paid if it means we get a cost controlled QB with a big arm and quick feet for the next few seasons. 

Thing is, we have a team with serious gaps in the middle of the OL and DL, and the OL problems are going to hurt the success of any QB, even a mobile QB. If we "earn" the 2nd overall pick and can get Lance or Fields and keep the rest of our draft picks, we might be able to rebuild the team around that QB. But if we land with the 8th or 9th pick, we will be in a bidding war with several teams interested in a QB, trying to move 6-7 slots, and I think we would end up trading most of our 2021 and 2022 picks to do it. Then that great young QB is in a situation where he's playing on a team with big gaps around him and no hope for help  until 2023.

I hear you, and giving up that many picks would be a big risk. But the Vikings do have some good players who will still be around. Spend what draft capital they have left on the OL and try to win some shootouts, while patching together a defense for a couple years.

That’s not the ideal scenario for winning a SB while your QB is on a rookie deal, but it sounds a lot more fun than what I’ve watched the past 3 weeks.

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@Hawkvike25 said:

@StickyBun said:
I watched the Redzone Channel yesterday and here's the problem: there are some truly HORRIBLE teams in the NFL, maybe 5 that are worse than Minnesota. Its early, but many draft projections have all 3 QBs gone by the #5 pick. Just say the Vikings pick #7: they'll miss the QBs and the best OL in the last probably 5-7 years. The drop-off for the QBs after the top 3 is tremendous. The freaking Jets, who just got Sam Darnold a few years ago, are going to pick a QB. 

I'm getting this feeling that the team is stepping into possibly a big window of bad teams and/or at best, mediocrity. 

I was talking to a buddy about Darnold this weekend. Say we do miss out on Lawrence, Fields, and Lance. Should we try to get Darnold? He's a good quarterback who was zero help on offense...and Gase is an awful coach. Acquiring him and then addressing the OL with the first round pick would be nice. I'm still in favor of trading one of our veterans and a later pick to achieve the currently vacant 2nd round pick to snag another DT.

A lot of the talk is that it is hard to evaluate Darnold because of how much of a shit show the Jets are. It is sad that they got a quarterback but might draft another one. I don't understand how Gase still has a job. Something needs to change. The thought was get a qb (Cousins) and shape the OL, except not enough was done. So do we insert another qb? Maybe get some more personnel to scout qbs and OL too, of course to develop the talent too.

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@AGRforever said:

@Zanary said:
MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

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@Zanary said:

@AGRforever said:

@Zanary said:
MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

To each their own. I don't begrudge anyone for feeling that way, but I'll speak for myself: I don't judge long time fans. I enjoy being a part of this board but I can tell you that I've de-emphasized the importance of the Vikings over the last 10+ years because of all the disappointment. Its just not worth the emotional energy for me. I'm older and I'm not going to waste my personal time on a bad product. Its a bad use of those hours for me personally in that way. I stopped getting the NFL Sunday Ticket years ago and I haven't bought any Vikings merchandise at least for the last 12+ years if not longer. But I do attend an early game a year in Minneapolis because its fun, exciting and my wife and I enjoy downtown areas of major cities and having good food (we're foodies).

I'm a 'real' fan of my family and those that I love unconditionally. This is just a football team that in all honesty, I've put too much emotional intensity toward when I was younger. Its crazy that in the 40+ years I've been a fan, no Superbowl win. It gets old. No payoff if you will for all the heartache. But this is just my story as a fan.

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@Zanary said:

@AGRforever said:

@Zanary said:
MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

So wanting the team to tank to get a generational talent to make the Vikings Super Bowl contenders doesnt make me a real fan? Realizing this team is nowhere near a playoff team and wanting them to get better at the most important position in football makes me not a real fan? I dont mind when people say they dont like tanking, but claiming it makes someone not a real fan is just ignorant.

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When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.