Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ greediron said:
@ Wetlander said:
Greed, you're original statement that states require masks outdoors wasn't accurate. You're post (and subsequent post) implied that masks are mandatory outdoors no matter what... Skodin and Maroon pointed out that yes, masks are required outdoors, BUT only in situations where social distancing is not practical (i.e. outdoor seating at restaurants, bars, etc.).
Then Jimmy posts exactly what they said after googling the topic and all of a sudden you are proven right? I'm not following...
I never said no matter what, just required outdoors. MB said NO state does. Which is wrong. Then he pedaled back saying yes they do.
But that's just it, you're just saying masks are required outdoors which is not correct. They are only required outdoors if you can't social distance from others. So if you're outside by yourself, you don't need to wear a mask.
This thread has turned into pure comedy gold, he just can’t admit he didn’t read the entire sentence and the more he stubbornly digs in, the more hysterical it gets.
Just think if we left out qualifiers like he did:
IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, break glass.
IN THE EVENT OF A WATER LANDING, your seat can be used as a flotation device.
“But but but it says to break glass and use my seat as a flotation device!!! Damn tyrant Dems I know mah rights and I’m gonna have my seat cushion attached to my chest until this plane lands!!”
Jesus Christ his family must have to hide all warning labels on everything in the house from this dude ....
There are definitely some stubborn people in this world.
Remember the days when conviction usually meant something positive? Nah, me neither...
I try to tell my 27 year old just because you're so damn convicted, doesn't mean you're that much righter lol!
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Remember the days when conviction usually meant something positive? Nah, me neither...
I try to tell my 27 year old just because you're so damn convicted, doesn't mean you're that much righter lol!
Curious if you and your son agree politically. The only reason I ask is that I'm beginning to really notice my influence on my kids, for better or worse. I'm not trying to convince them to be left or right or blue or red, but I'll enthusiastically admit to trying to teach them to be compassionate, empathetic and progressive. And they are very much that.
We'll see how they turn out because when I was under the influence of my parents, I was an evangelical conservative republican. Voted for Reagan. By the time I was in my late 20s, I was working for the Jessie Jackson campaign. LOL
Quote: @greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
I have less trust of people with masks because I have observed most wearers exhibiting dangerous behaviors, such as touching their mask repeatedly, including touching the inside of the mask with their finger to pull it down, and then touching other surfaces.
I would rather have them healthy and not touching a snot rag constantly.
Maybe you should educate them. Just a crazy thought
working on it. See the post above about the NE Journal of Med stating masks don't protect against the virus. "the desire for
widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."
Greediron: Have you read what the authors of your article wrote afterwards? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836
"We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org)1 as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. ... We therefore strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods."
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Remember the days when conviction usually meant something positive? Nah, me neither...
I try to tell my 27 year old just because you're so damn convicted, doesn't mean you're that much righter lol!
Curious if you and your son agree politically. The only reason I ask is that I'm beginning to really notice my influence on my kids, for better or worse. I'm not trying to convince them to be left or right or blue or red, but I'll enthusiastically admit to trying to teach them to be compassionate, empathetic and progressive. And they are very much that.
We'll see how they turn out because when I was under the influence of my parents, I was an evangelical conservative republican. Voted for Reagan. By the time I was in my late 20s, I was working for the Jessie Jackson campaign. LOL Sometimes kids will take the polar opposite view of their parents, just because it's the opposite lol! Certainly many of us try and install an appropriate, sensitive, kind and progressive value system.
Me and my kid? Politically? We're more aligned than not, especially on social issues....They're a Bernie supporter, I'm a bit more conservative than that lol!
I always figured a parents job is to teach a value system, keep em safe and help them find their passion and pursue it.
We got lucky in that they are intelligent as hell and it was obvious in early teens this kid was destined to be an artist. So off to arts high-school they went. One of the best moves we made as parents.
They're an artist in LA now after spending time in NYC. That experience (along with a liberal arts education on both coasts) helped them mold their view/vision of the world as much or maybe even more than me or mom.
I'm actually quite a hawk when it comes to issues of national security. That's certainly an area where we diverge.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
I have less trust of people with masks because I have observed most wearers exhibiting dangerous behaviors, such as touching their mask repeatedly, including touching the inside of the mask with their finger to pull it down, and then touching other surfaces.
I would rather have them healthy and not touching a snot rag constantly.
Maybe you should educate them. Just a crazy thought
working on it. See the post above about the NE Journal of Med stating masks don't protect against the virus. "the desire for
widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."
Greediron: Have you read what the authors of your article wrote afterwards? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836
"We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org) 1 as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. ... We therefore strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods."
Funny thing about science...
Facts don't care about your intent.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ VikingOracle said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
I have less trust of people with masks because I have observed most wearers exhibiting dangerous behaviors, such as touching their mask repeatedly, including touching the inside of the mask with their finger to pull it down, and then touching other surfaces.
I would rather have them healthy and not touching a snot rag constantly.
Maybe you should educate them. Just a crazy thought
working on it. See the post above about the NE Journal of Med stating masks don't protect against the virus. "the desire for
widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."
Greediron: Have you read what the authors of your article wrote afterwards? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836
"We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org) 1 as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. ... We therefore strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods."
Funny thing about science...
Facts don't care about your intent.
Funny thing about science, truth ultimately wins out. Now, I know you rely on one article that the authors (all of them) assert should be read as a push for more masking. In contrast, I rely on the plethora of studies that say masks should be used as one of the tools against the virus. I include the Wall Street Journal article because I thought that might be influential in your sphere.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html:
1. How do cloth face coverings prevent the spread of COVID-19? Chu: In order to answer this, it’s first important to understand the concept of source control. We’ve learned that as many as 40% of people infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 may have no symptoms. But when they talk, cough or sneeze, they can still spread the virus to others in the form of respiratory droplets expelled into the air. Those droplets evaporate into fine particles that may linger. The mask traps these larger droplets before they can evaporate. So, wearing a mask regularly can prevent spreading at the source even when we don’t know we are sick. But masks are just one important way to prevent this disease from spreading. Washing your hands regularly and thoroughly and keeping at least 6 feet apart from one another are still vitally important.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768533:
Universal masking at MGB was associated with a significantly lower rate of SARS-CoV-2 positivity among HCWs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298:
Face masks are emerging as one of the most powerful weapons to fight the new coronavirus, with growing evidence that facial coverings help prevent transmission—even if an infected wearer is in close contact with others.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17922-x:
Here, we demonstrate that the use of face masks among the general public is an effective strategy in mitigating transmission of SARS-CoV-2 under a range of scenarios. Nonmedical masks, when deployed widely, can also reduce total cases and deaths.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200811152916.htm:
"If everyone wore a mask, we could stop up to 99% of these droplets before they reach someone else," Westman said. "In the absence of a vaccine or antiviral medicine, it's the one proven way to protect others as well as yourself."
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/science-and-psychology-behind-masking-prevent-spread-covid-19
Mounting scientific research shows that widespread wearing of masks, along with practicing social distancing and frequent hand-washing, would greatly reduce community transmission of the virus.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm
Previous studies show that both surgical masks and homemade cloth face coverings can reduce the aerosolization of virus into the air and onto surfaces (4,5). Although no studies have examined SARS-CoV-2 transmission directly, data from previous epidemics (6,7) support the use of universal face coverings as a policy to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, as does observational data for COVID-19 in an analysis of 194 countries that found a negative association between duration of a face mask or respirator policy and per-capita coronavirus-related mortality; in countries that did not recommend face masks and respirators, the per-capita coronavirus-related mortality increased each week by 54.3% after the index case, compared with 8.0% in those countries with masking policies (CT Leffler, Virginia Commonwealth University, unpublished data, 2020).
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ greediron said:
Funny thing about science...
Facts don't care about your intent.
Funny thing about science, truth ultimately wins out. Now, I know you rely on one article that the authors (all of them) assert should be read as a push for more masking. In contrast, I rely on the plethora of studies that say masks should be used as one of the tools against the virus. I include the Wall Street Journal article because I thought that might be influential in your sphere.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html:
1. How do cloth face coverings prevent the spread of COVID-19? Chu: In order to answer this, it’s first important to understand the concept of source control. We’ve learned that as many as 40% of people infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 may have no symptoms. But when they talk, cough or sneeze, they can still spread the virus to others in the form of respiratory droplets expelled into the air. Those droplets evaporate into fine particles that may linger. The mask traps these larger droplets before they can evaporate. So, wearing a mask regularly can prevent spreading at the source even when we don’t know we are sick. But masks are just one important way to prevent this disease from spreading. Washing your hands regularly and thoroughly and keeping at least 6 feet apart from one another are still vitally important.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768533:
Universal masking at MGB was associated with a significantly lower rate of SARS-CoV-2 positivity among HCWs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298:
Face masks are emerging as one of the most powerful weapons to fight the new coronavirus, with growing evidence that facial coverings help prevent transmission—even if an infected wearer is in close contact with others.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17922-x:
Here, we demonstrate that the use of face masks among the general public is an effective strategy in mitigating transmission of SARS-CoV-2 under a range of scenarios. Nonmedical masks, when deployed widely, can also reduce total cases and deaths.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200811152916.htm:
"If everyone wore a mask, we could stop up to 99% of these droplets before they reach someone else," Westman said. "In the absence of a vaccine or antiviral medicine, it's the one proven way to protect others as well as yourself."
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/science-and-psychology-behind-masking-prevent-spread-covid-19
Mounting scientific research shows that widespread wearing of masks, along with practicing social distancing and frequent hand-washing, would greatly reduce community transmission of the virus.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm
Previous studies show that both surgical masks and homemade cloth face coverings can reduce the aerosolization of virus into the air and onto surfaces ( 4, 5). Although no studies have examined SARS-CoV-2 transmission directly, data from previous epidemics ( 6, 7) support the use of universal face coverings as a policy to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, as does observational data for COVID-19 in an analysis of 194 countries that found a negative association between duration of a face mask or respirator policy and per-capita coronavirus-related mortality; in countries that did not recommend face masks and respirators, the per-capita coronavirus-related mortality increased each week by 54.3% after the index case, compared with 8.0% in those countries with masking policies (CT Leffler, Virginia Commonwealth University, unpublished data, 2020).
If you think it is one article alone, then you haven't been paying
attention. I could pull up 10+ out of my recent history that show masks
don't stop a minute virus, that some mask actually arosolize breath
into smaller droplets that stay airborne longer, that masks are causing
multiple health issues in the wearers, how devastating it is on people,
especially kids, how the elderly are being muted because they can't hear
well anyway. You wanna protect grandma, give her a voice, give her
family back.
You could look at countries that are mask wearers
and see the "cases" are still rising. While countries that didn't
follow the WHO are finding herd immunity.
And
no science or internet articles will show how poorly the general
populace wears a mask. Constantly touching, reaching inside to pull it
down, repeatedly grasping the mask to pull it looser because the wearer
is being suffocated, all while wearing gloves and handling food. Mask
wearing is going to make us all sick. I don't feel safe around people
that think crap science and propaganda will protect them while they are
disgusting and practice poor hygiene.
But the concrete minds are all mixed up and firmly set, so why bother.
will just leave with thishttps://www.mikewittmann.com/10-reasons-why-i-refuse-to-wear-a-mask/
#1 is good enough for me. If you need more, have at it.
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