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@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
especially those opinion-facts that the left states as fact, without any facts.
Sorry, but saying Facts... doesn't make it so. But keep wishing.
Lets start with the recently signed covid executive orders. Is what is being said by the president what he signed? Again I am talking about facts not "alternative facts"
Pretty sure we were talking Creepy Joe and lyin Harris.
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@ IDVikingfan said:
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Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You are going to mention honesty while we are under the Trump administration? Really? Some of you have no shame. We have leaders to lead and if we have a terrible economy due to the pandemic it is because Trump failed as a leader. The spin cannot hide that.
Talk about no shame. She is clearly lying. The economy had not tanked until the pandemic. No where can you find anyone saying the economy had tanked earlier. Never said Trump was perfect nor totally honest. You leapt to a strawman and apparently have the same level of honesty as Harris. Or do you admit that she is wrong?
You were questioning Harris honesty. I asked if you ever questioned Trumps. You cant even try to equate both. If you are concerned about Harris' honestly because of the "lie" above, one would expect you being more vocal or more than concerned about Trumps (someone who has lied over 2000 times, lies all the time about the pandemic and keeps lying and hurting the country). All you can come up with is the pathetic and biased statement that "I never said Trump was perfect" (neither did you say he was terrible but you called out Harris - hence my point). By the way that is the wrong statement. "Trump is terrible" when it comes to honesty is a more appropriate statement.
I would gladly be associated with Harris than Trump when it comes to honesty. Can you say the same?
Answer the question mblack, is Harris telling the truth? did the economy crater in 2019, pre pandemic. I'm trying to get you to answer a simple question. You brought up Trump.
Stop moving the goal post.
This is what you said....
Quote:Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You said she "lacks" honesty and I merely pointed out that Trump was worse (and I did not see you questioning his). And yes I brought Trump to show your hypocrisy.
so when a trump supporter brings up obama to make a point that pisses dems off, but you can bring up Trump to try and make a counter point defending Harris's honesty?
news flash to all.... how can you tell if a politician is lying? their lips are moving. ![[Image: d172jh-382ab487-7f73-471f-b573-23c374725...dK-FxuB-n4]](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ceb34671-de95-4761-a67c-ae34f15d6030/d172jh-382ab487-7f73-471f-b573-23c374725c75.gif?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvY2ViMzQ2NzEtZGU5NS00NzYxLWE2N2MtYWUzNGYxNWQ2MDMwXC9kMTcyamgtMzgyYWI0ODctN2Y3My00NzFmLWI1NzMtMjNjMzc0NzI1Yzc1LmdpZiJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTpmaWxlLmRvd25sb2FkIl19.-nS--6W0UgIGB0YkV6yaNLqA5mDko8k7edK-FxuB-n4) At the italic: Trump supporters bring up Obama "to make a point" while I bring up Trump "to try and make" a counter point. I guess all I can do is try but not actually make a point like Trump supporters do. How noble of you to notice my effort. I guess saying "thanks" to the almighty moderator is in order here.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
especially those opinion-facts that the left states as fact, without any facts.
Sorry, but saying Facts... doesn't make it so. But keep wishing.
Lets start with the recently signed covid executive orders. Is what is being said by the president what he signed? Again I am talking about facts not "alternative facts"
Pretty sure we were talking Creepy Joe and lyin Harris.
Sorry Mr. "President" this is not twitter. Putin will be upset you posted this here instead.
Quote: @mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
especially those opinion-facts that the left states as fact, without any facts.
Sorry, but saying Facts... doesn't make it so. But keep wishing.
Lets start with the recently signed covid executive orders. Is what is being said by the president what he signed? Again I am talking about facts not "alternative facts"
Pretty sure we were talking Creepy Joe and lyin Harris.
Sorry Mr. "President" this is not twitter. Putin will be upset you posted this here instead.
You make no sense as usual. Have a nice day.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
especially those opinion-facts that the left states as fact, without any facts.
Sorry, but saying Facts... doesn't make it so. But keep wishing.
Lets start with the recently signed covid executive orders. Is what is being said by the president what he signed? Again I am talking about facts not "alternative facts"
Pretty sure we were talking Creepy Joe and lyin Harris.
Sorry Mr. "President" this is not twitter. Putin will be upset you posted this here instead.
You make no sense as usual. Have a nice day.
I see mentioning Putin scared you as usual. Wish I could say same to you.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
especially those opinion-facts that the left states as fact, without any facts.
Sorry, but saying Facts... doesn't make it so. But keep wishing.
Lets start with the recently signed covid executive orders. Is what is being said by the president what he signed? Again I am talking about facts not "alternative facts"
Pretty sure we were talking Creepy Joe and lyin Harris.
He doesn’t like having to change subjects if he can’t wield it to his advantage.
A simple question Greed:
So how many lies from Harris vs Trump? Trump’s told more lies in the last 24 hours than Kamala has in probably a year but you want to smear her for being dishonest? Oh yeah you’re real objective and honest yourself then ....
This is why you are just as big of a hypocritical joke as your buddy A1.
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@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
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@ mblack said:
Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You are going to mention honesty while we are under the Trump administration? Really? Some of you have no shame. We have leaders to lead and if we have a terrible economy due to the pandemic it is because Trump failed as a leader. The spin cannot hide that.
Talk about no shame. She is clearly lying. The economy had not tanked until the pandemic. No where can you find anyone saying the economy had tanked earlier. Never said Trump was perfect nor totally honest. You leapt to a strawman and apparently have the same level of honesty as Harris. Or do you admit that she is wrong?
You were questioning Harris honesty. I asked if you ever questioned Trumps. You cant even try to equate both. If you are concerned about Harris' honestly because of the "lie" above, one would expect you being more vocal or more than concerned about Trumps (someone who has lied over 2000 times, lies all the time about the pandemic and keeps lying and hurting the country). All you can come up with is the pathetic and biased statement that "I never said Trump was perfect" (neither did you say he was terrible but you called out Harris - hence my point). By the way that is the wrong statement. "Trump is terrible" when it comes to honesty is a more appropriate statement.
I would gladly be associated with Harris than Trump when it comes to honesty. Can you say the same?
Answer the question mblack, is Harris telling the truth? did the economy crater in 2019, pre pandemic. I'm trying to get you to answer a simple question. You brought up Trump.
Stop moving the goal post.
This is what you said....
Seriously, I did not move the goalpost. That was my original question to you. And you keep dancing and are unwilling to admit that she is not telling the truth. It's very simple, the economy did not crater until the pandemic. Harris is not being truthful when she says Trump triggered the economy. No, the pandemic triggered the economy. The administration went with their advisors. Fauci early on said no masks were needed. The only available test was inaccurate. Took time for new tests to be developed and become distributed.
I was curious if you admit Harris should say the pandemic cratered the economy, something new that the country was not prepared for. The administration was far from perfect in their decision making but very difficult to believe results would have been better with Biden. Remember how he criticized Trump blocking flights from China. Initial situation would have been much worse without that step.
Besides, all politicians stretch the truth or flat out lie. We do need to be honest about that. This year's election gives me two less than desirable POTUS candidates but I'll have to plug my nose and vote for the one whose platform more closely matches my conservative views. The progressive platform is way too far out for me. Besides, I live a very conservative state that has voted D only once since 1952. Joe Biden is not likely to break that trend no matter which way I vote.
Quote:Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You said she "lacks" honesty and I merely pointed out that Trump was worse (and I did not see you questioning his). And yes I brought Trump to show your hypocrisy. If that's all it takes for someone to lose credibility in your eyes I wonder how you see Trump. I'll answer your question when you answer mine
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You are going to mention honesty while we are under the Trump administration? Really? Some of you have no shame. We have leaders to lead and if we have a terrible economy due to the pandemic it is because Trump failed as a leader. The spin cannot hide that.
Talk about no shame. She is clearly lying. The economy had not tanked until the pandemic. No where can you find anyone saying the economy had tanked earlier. Never said Trump was perfect nor totally honest. You leapt to a strawman and apparently have the same level of honesty as Harris. Or do you admit that she is wrong?
You were questioning Harris honesty. I asked if you ever questioned Trumps. You cant even try to equate both. If you are concerned about Harris' honestly because of the "lie" above, one would expect you being more vocal or more than concerned about Trumps (someone who has lied over 2000 times, lies all the time about the pandemic and keeps lying and hurting the country). All you can come up with is the pathetic and biased statement that "I never said Trump was perfect" (neither did you say he was terrible but you called out Harris - hence my point). By the way that is the wrong statement. "Trump is terrible" when it comes to honesty is a more appropriate statement.
I would gladly be associated with Harris than Trump when it comes to honesty. Can you say the same?
Answer the question mblack, is Harris telling the truth? did the economy crater in 2019, pre pandemic. I'm trying to get you to answer a simple question. You brought up Trump.
Stop moving the goal post.
This is what you said....
Quote:Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You said she "lacks" honesty and I merely pointed out that Trump was worse (and I did not see you questioning his). And yes I brought Trump to show your hypocrisy.
so when a trump supporter brings up obama to make a point that pisses dems off, but you can bring up Trump to try and make a counter point defending Harris's honesty?
news flash to all.... how can you tell if a politician is lying? their lips are moving. At the italic: Trump supporters bring up Obama "to make a point" while I bring up Trump "to try and make" a counter point. I guess all I can do is try but not actually make a point like Trump supporters do. How noble of you to notice my effort. I guess saying "thanks" to the almighty moderator is in order here.
1. you are wound to fucking tight to have conversations in here if that simple make vs try to make sets you off.
2. i am just a poster in here until I have to moderate, i am just as entitled to post my views as I see fit as you are, so take off your pissy pants or just put me on ignore.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
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@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You are going to mention honesty while we are under the Trump administration? Really? Some of you have no shame. We have leaders to lead and if we have a terrible economy due to the pandemic it is because Trump failed as a leader. The spin cannot hide that.
Talk about no shame. She is clearly lying. The economy had not tanked until the pandemic. No where can you find anyone saying the economy had tanked earlier. Never said Trump was perfect nor totally honest. You leapt to a strawman and apparently have the same level of honesty as Harris. Or do you admit that she is wrong?
You were questioning Harris honesty. I asked if you ever questioned Trumps. You cant even try to equate both. If you are concerned about Harris' honestly because of the "lie" above, one would expect you being more vocal or more than concerned about Trumps (someone who has lied over 2000 times, lies all the time about the pandemic and keeps lying and hurting the country). All you can come up with is the pathetic and biased statement that "I never said Trump was perfect" (neither did you say he was terrible but you called out Harris - hence my point). By the way that is the wrong statement. "Trump is terrible" when it comes to honesty is a more appropriate statement.
I would gladly be associated with Harris than Trump when it comes to honesty. Can you say the same?
Answer the question mblack, is Harris telling the truth? did the economy crater in 2019, pre pandemic. I'm trying to get you to answer a simple question. You brought up Trump.
Stop moving the goal post.
This is what you said....
Quote:Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You said she "lacks" honesty and I merely pointed out that Trump was worse (and I did not see you questioning his). And yes I brought Trump to show your hypocrisy.
so when a trump supporter brings up obama to make a point that pisses dems off, but you can bring up Trump to try and make a counter point defending Harris's honesty?
news flash to all.... how can you tell if a politician is lying? their lips are moving. At the italic: Trump supporters bring up Obama "to make a point" while I bring up Trump "to try and make" a counter point. I guess all I can do is try but not actually make a point like Trump supporters do. How noble of you to notice my effort. I guess saying "thanks" to the almighty moderator is in order here.
1. you are wound to fucking tight to have conversations in here if that simple make vs try to make sets you off.
2. i am just a poster in here until I have to moderate, i am just as entitled to post my views as I see fit as you are, so take off your pissy pants or just put me on ignore.
I am not the one swearing so I guess we know who is set off. Why would I ignore you? I am not the one pissed off (based on your post above).
It's a useless online forum so calm down. All I did was call out your bias (whether intentional or not).
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You are going to mention honesty while we are under the Trump administration? Really? Some of you have no shame. We have leaders to lead and if we have a terrible economy due to the pandemic it is because Trump failed as a leader. The spin cannot hide that.
Talk about no shame. She is clearly lying. The economy had not tanked until the pandemic. No where can you find anyone saying the economy had tanked earlier. Never said Trump was perfect nor totally honest. You leapt to a strawman and apparently have the same level of honesty as Harris. Or do you admit that she is wrong?
You were questioning Harris honesty. I asked if you ever questioned Trumps. You cant even try to equate both. If you are concerned about Harris' honestly because of the "lie" above, one would expect you being more vocal or more than concerned about Trumps (someone who has lied over 2000 times, lies all the time about the pandemic and keeps lying and hurting the country). All you can come up with is the pathetic and biased statement that "I never said Trump was perfect" (neither did you say he was terrible but you called out Harris - hence my point). By the way that is the wrong statement. "Trump is terrible" when it comes to honesty is a more appropriate statement.
I would gladly be associated with Harris than Trump when it comes to honesty. Can you say the same?
Answer the question mblack, is Harris telling the truth? did the economy crater in 2019, pre pandemic. I'm trying to get you to answer a simple question. You brought up Trump.
Stop moving the goal post.
This is what you said....
Quote:Harris lacks honesty when she does not separate the excellent economy early in the year versus the effects of shutdowns due to the pandemic.
You said she "lacks" honesty and I merely pointed out that Trump was worse (and I did not see you questioning his). And yes I brought Trump to show your hypocrisy.
so when a trump supporter brings up obama to make a point that pisses dems off, but you can bring up Trump to try and make a counter point defending Harris's honesty?
news flash to all.... how can you tell if a politician is lying? their lips are moving. At the italic: Trump supporters bring up Obama "to make a point" while I bring up Trump "to try and make" a counter point. I guess all I can do is try but not actually make a point like Trump supporters do. How noble of you to notice my effort. I guess saying "thanks" to the almighty moderator is in order here.
1. you are wound to fucking tight to have conversations in here if that simple make vs try to make sets you off.
2. i am just a poster in here until I have to moderate, i am just as entitled to post my views as I see fit as you are, so take off your pissy pants or just put me on ignore.
I am not the one swearing so I guess we know who is set off. Why would I ignore you? I am not the one pissed off (based on your post above).
It's a useless online forum so calm down.
i am not uncalm, if swearing is your measure of a persons anger then you need another barometer. ( or I need to clean up my vocabulary which is probably just as likely)
as far as useless, it didnt used to be that way until the angry all the time crowd shows up and tries to shove their views down others throats and belittles anybody who disagrees with them. honestly, before VFans got as big as it was, we used to have some great back and forth with opposing views and it was really informational because there was respect shown to those with opposing views.
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