Flynn...

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Why wasn't it reasonable for an investigation?   Back channel communications with Russian agents is nothing of interest?   How about Colombians, North Koreans, Chinese, Iranians .....?  If this is so all cut and dried why so much effort to block the redacted portions of the Muller report?    

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@PSBLAKE said:

@savannahskol said:

@PSBLAKE said:
liberals used to rail against the MAN for over reach, intimidation, trampling on due process and working in secret.  And real liberals still do that noble work.  

There are a few still noble libs out there.  
Dersh has been fantastic on this issue...so has lib Gatown law professor Jonathon Turley.  

""This is an extraordinary decision but we are living in extraordinary times. It is very rare for such a dismissal to be sought based on its own misconduct.," George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley tweeted.

"Flynn was a major target for Mueller. Comey et al sought to create a crime in the absence of any evidence of criminal conduct. The case has now collapsed and represents one of the most ignoble moments for Mueller," Turley added."

 Turley is an honest man who believes everyone has the same rights.

That's an Oxymoron right there

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@PSBLAKE said:
liberals used to rail against the MAN for over reach, intimidation, trampling on due process and working in secret.  And real liberals still do that noble work.  

Leftists cheer on a government that over reaches, tramples on due process, and works in secret,  as long as it is thier enemy.

Conservatives used to be the party of law and order, fiscal conservatism and family values, and the Constitution and it’s rights ...
 

Yeah but what you wrote is bullshit, just a blathering of white noise.  

The facts remain:

Flynn lied to federal agents
He told two federal judges he lied, pleaded guilty to it
He told Trump he lied to federal agents


But in comes our new Trump sycophant AG Barr, who hired a new prosecutor to review the case, and has it dropped - not because Flynn didn’t lie to federal agents, not because Flynn didn’t admit to lying - but because Barr and his new BFF think the investigation lacked the merits to target him .... 


You boys think this is a win for team Trump but it’s America who lost today.  You want to set precedents that we can start throwing out all our safeguards of checks and balances and getting cases thrown out when people admitted under oath they committed crimes, God help us all.


Just remember this moment in time when there’s a Democrat POTUS that pulls this same shit.  

USA now officially a 3rd world banana republic run by a dictator and his lemmings because his gullible base doesn’t care as long as they’re freeing criminal Republicans and trying to jail the other side.

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@SFVikeFan said:
The facts remain:

Flynn lied to federal agents
He told two federal judges he lied, pleaded guilty to it
He told Trump he lied to federal agents

You forgot the most important fact: 

"Flynn case dismissed."   B)  

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@JimmyinSD said:
is there anybody that can honestly say they are truly "up to speed" on all this shit?  so many moving parts,  so many pieces go from good to bad and back to good (depending on what side you cheer for)  

imagine if somebody tried to make a movie about this era in American politics... what a shit fest that would be to follow.

This will get you up to speed.  

Last week:
1. New documents suggest the FBI laid a trap for Flynn. In February, Attorney General William Barr appointed U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Jensen to review the prosecution against Flynn after reports of irregularities. Last week, Jensen delivered a trove of documents to Flynn’s defense team — including handwritten notes showing FBI agents discussed whether they would “get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired.” In addition, emails showed the FBI had not properly warned Flynn that lying to the FBI was a crime when they met with him in the White House — a meeting then-Director James Comey planned to catch Flynn off guard.
2. Text messages showed the FBI leadership kept the case open: Jensen’s trove included a memorandum showing that the FBI wanted to close the case against Flynn on Jan. 4, 2017, but that agent Peter Strzok — who hated Trump and had led the troubled investigations into both Hillary Clinton and the Trump campaign — ordered that the case be kept open. When asked why, Strzok referred to the “7th floor,” i.e. the FBI leadership.

3. Flynn’s former law firm handed over documents suggesting secret pressure from the DOJ. Covington and Burling LLP, the legal team that handled his guilty plea in 2017, “discovered” that they had not handed all their documents to his new lawyer, Sidney Powell. Powell then told the court that the new documents showed the DOJ had threatened to indict his son unless Flynn pleaded guilty — a “side deal” that the DOJ kept hidden.
This week:
4. President Barack Obama set the Flynn investigation in motion: The House Intelligence Committee released 53 transcripts of interviews it conducted in the early days of the “Russia collusion” investigation. Former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates toldthe committee it was Obama himself who told her about Flynn’s phone calls with the Russian ambassador. That information led the DOJ to investigate him under the obscure Logan Act of 1799, which bars private citizens from diplomacy and is almost never enforced.
What comes next:
5. Flynn could go free for now, but could be prosecuted for perjury if Joe Biden wins the election. Sol Wisenberg, who helped investigate President Bill Clinton, pointed out on Fox News that Flynn could still be prosecuted for perjury, since he told the court he was guilty before deciding to withdraw his plea. Wisenberg said that a Biden administration could pursue those charges — unless President Trump pardoned Flynn.
6. What did Obama know? What did Biden know? The crucial event behind the investigation of Flynn and the public smearing of President-elect Trump through the “Steele dossier” now appears to be the Oval Office meeting where Obama told Yates about Flynn’s phone calls, and Comey was assigned to inform Trump about the dossier. Biden was among those present, and the Trump campaign has started to demand answers. Obama’s role now appears much more direct, and may not have been “by the book,” as former NSA Susan Rice claimed.
7. Possible indictment of former Obama officials. U.S. Attorney John Durham is still pursuing a criminal investigation into the origins of the Obama administration’s inquiry into the Trump campaign. Many believe indictments are imminent. Powell told Breitbart News Sunday last weekend that Comey and other officials may have committed obstruction of justice and similar crimes, though she did not echo Trump’s claims of treason.
 @joelpollak.

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“Laid a trap by investigators”

LMAO

Because Flynn had to be told it’s a crime to lie to FBI investigators?

This is the guy appointed to Director of National Security?

Because they discussed tactics of what their goal was, pretty standard tactics by prosecutors?  Like Catching people in a lie, because they knew he had illegally contacted Russian Ambassador and would probably deny it?


Your hyper-partisan articles are a joke.  

He committed a crime.  He admitted he committed a crime to two federal judges.  

Glad you think this is a case that deserved to be dismissed, because our new Director of National Security should have been warned not to lie to FBI agents about his illegal contact with the Russian Ambassador.


What a fucking joke. 

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@medaille said:

@savannahskol said:
Justice!  Long time coming. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/michael-flynn-prosecution/index.html

It kind of sounds like we’re back to where we started, with
nothing having been accomplished except that Flynn’s been pushed close to
bankruptcy due to legal fees.


I think that could fit under both potential timelines.  Is it real or theatre?  All he needs is a book deal or speaking gig,
to refill his coffers and we’ll be fully back to square one.


I hope this is real though and it leads somewhere good.

3 federal prosecutors now reviewing   Obama holdovers/Comey FBI.  Looks to go into late summer. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-moving-full-throttle-on-russia-probe-review-with-top-federal-prosecutors-involved-sources

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@savannahskol said:

@medaille said:

@savannahskol said:
Justice!  Long time coming. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/michael-flynn-prosecution/index.html

It kind of sounds like we’re back to where we started, with
nothing having been accomplished except that Flynn’s been pushed close to
bankruptcy due to legal fees.


I think that could fit under both potential timelines.  Is it real or theatre?  All he needs is a book deal or speaking gig,
to refill his coffers and we’ll be fully back to square one.


I hope this is real though and it leads somewhere good.

3 federal prosecutors now reviewing   Obama holdovers/Comey FBI.  Looks to go into late summer. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-moving-full-throttle-on-russia-probe-review-with-top-federal-prosecutors-involved-sources

We’ll see if anything comes of this or if it’s just more
theatre.  Hopefully at somepoint we’ll
get past investigations or trials that don’t lead to meaningful change.

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@medaille said:

@savannahskol said:

@medaille said:

@savannahskol said:
Justice!  Long time coming. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/michael-flynn-prosecution/index.html

It kind of sounds like we’re back to where we started, with
nothing having been accomplished except that Flynn’s been pushed close to
bankruptcy due to legal fees.


I think that could fit under both potential timelines.  Is it real or theatre?  All he needs is a book deal or speaking gig,
to refill his coffers and we’ll be fully back to square one.


I hope this is real though and it leads somewhere good.

3 federal prosecutors now reviewing   Obama holdovers/Comey FBI.  Looks to go into late summer. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-moving-full-throttle-on-russia-probe-review-with-top-federal-prosecutors-involved-sources

We’ll see if anything comes of this or if it’s just more
theatre.  Hopefully at somepoint we’ll
get past investigations or trials that don’t lead to meaningful change.

i there with you.  its really hard to get excited over anything either side wants to trumpet since we have seen nothing come from any of these "wait and see"  allegations that we have been hearing about for the last decade.   from the birth certificate,  to hillarys servers, to fantasy island,  to the daily Trump shit that gets some all wet.... neither side can close the deal... if there really were to sides fighting it out,  wouldnt at least one of them have a big win by now?

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@SFVikeFan said:

@PSBLAKE said:
liberals used to rail against the MAN for over reach, intimidation, trampling on due process and working in secret.  And real liberals still do that noble work.  

Leftists cheer on a government that over reaches, tramples on due process, and works in secret,  as long as it is thier enemy.

Conservatives used to be the party of law and order, fiscal conservatism and family values, and the Constitution and it’s rights ...
 

Yeah but what you wrote is bullshit, just a blathering of white noise.  

The facts remain:

Flynn lied to federal agents
He told two federal judges he lied, pleaded guilty to it
He told Trump he lied to federal agents


But in comes our new Trump sycophant AG Barr, who hired a new prosecutor to review the case, and has it dropped - not because Flynn didn’t lie to federal agents, not because Flynn didn’t admit to lying - but because Barr and his new BFF think the investigation lacked the merits to target him .... 


You boys think this is a win for team Trump but it’s America who lost today.  You want to set precedents that we can start throwing out all our safeguards of checks and balances and getting cases thrown out when people admitted under oath they committed crimes, God help us all.


Just remember this moment in time when there’s a Democrat POTUS that pulls this same shit.  

USA now officially a 3rd world banana republic run by a dictator and his lemmings because his gullible base doesn’t care as long as they’re freeing criminal Republicans and trying to jail the other side.

This was from 2 years ago:https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#67e50ccf14fe

This "fact" has also come up in recent days: that the only reason Flynn admitted to "lying" was to protect his son.  Having spent some time working in the legal "system", I know that there are times when people will confess to doing something that they didn't really do, in order to protect themselves- or those they love- from suffering even greater harm.

Does that factor into this discussion at all?  I think it should.