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OT: Coronavirus
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@bigbone62 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
not making a political statement here,  but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate.  he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right.  its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man.  what are we all to believe?
I dont really have an opinion on the guy one way or another. But Something I think people continually miss whether it be things Fauci or "fill in the blank politician" say. Or a model shows, is that we arent talking about a static topic, its a biological life form that has countless variables impacting its growth.  The point of social distancing, obsessive hand washing, sheltering in place, shutting down gatherings and so on was to do the very  thing people are shitting on these models and experts for being "wrong about".If the deaths and cases are ending up fewer than thought 2,3,4 weeks ago thats what we wanted from the precautions, right? So then the precautions to varying degrees are working, right? 
i dont care about dates and numbers,  thats all a guessing game based on variable that nobody can predict.  I am talking about his statements about transfer and who should quarantine vs who would be fine to go on spring vacations and cruises and shit.  we were all talking about this thing by mid March and he was still telling the media it was ok for healthy people to go on cruises.  He is a very smart man,  but I think his role has him a little out of his element at times and its reflected in what he has said.
Got ya. My point in bold remains the same based on your clarifications. This thing was going on large scale in places other than the US for months before it started really hitting us. None of those countries that had a "head start" on us had those answers either. Reason being? My point in bold. To get an idea of how many years truly understanding a complex thing like this can take Id encourage you to check out the Frontline episodes on PBS titled "Hunting the Nightmare Bacteria" and "The Trouble with Antibiotics". Full disclosure, yes I know viruses and bacteria's are not that same, yes I know anti-biotics are not recommended for viruses. The point is to illustrate how long it can take for breakthroughs. The one things we have going for us is that as a pandemic and one greatly impacting world economy everyone who can is chipping in on the research end. 
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Quote: @A1Janitor said:
@bigbone62 said:
@A1Janitor said:
The models assumed social distancing and proper hygiene practices already.  
This is not at all accurate. If the models did not specifically state they accounted for social distancing, proper hygiene and shelter in place then they did not. At least not any model the government or those of us in healthcare were using. The respected models displayed breakdowns on possible outcomes for various scenarios. No action, social distancing, stay at home order, shelter in place and are updated daily. The models that were touting massive numbers were models to forecast what MAY happen if people didn't take this serious.  Basically to scare people. 
The models that said over a million assumed nothing.

The models that assumed 200k ... revised down to 100k ... revised down to 60k assumed social distancing.  

Per Dr. Birx.  

We did not need 40k ventilators in NY.  We were not in need of beds.  More reports are coming out in at least three states that they put down coronavirus as the cause of death without knowing it. 

The projections were faulty.  They never knew the denominator.  
I was shocked to see that 50k per year die of pneumonia per year and up to 60k for the flu. It will be interesting to see how these deaths compare to prior years.  
Correct, we are essentially saying the same thing in different ways. 
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Quote: @A1Janitor said:
@bigbone62 said:
@A1Janitor said:
The models assumed social distancing and proper hygiene practices already.  
This is not at all accurate. If the models did not specifically state they accounted for social distancing, proper hygiene and shelter in place then they did not. At least not any model the government or those of us in healthcare were using. The respected models displayed breakdowns on possible outcomes for various scenarios. No action, social distancing, stay at home order, shelter in place and are updated daily. The models that were touting massive numbers were models to forecast what MAY happen if people didn't take this serious.  Basically to scare people. 
The models that said over a million assumed nothing.

The models that assumed 200k ... revised down to 100k ... revised down to 60k assumed social distancing.  

Per Dr. Birx.  

We did not need 40k ventilators in NY.  We were not in need of beds.  More reports are coming out in at least three states that they put down coronavirus as the cause of death without knowing it. 

The projections were faulty.  They never knew the denominator.  
I was shocked to see that 50k per year die of pneumonia per year and up to 60k for the flu. It will be interesting to see how these deaths compare to prior years.  




The real question is how much of an even bigger catastrophe would Covid-19 be (especially relative to seasonal pneumonia and influenza) if we didnt social distance to the degree we did and will need to do on-going?

Pray god we may never know - even though were not out of the woods yet...
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Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@A1Janitor said:
@bigbone62 said:
@A1Janitor said:
The models assumed social distancing and proper hygiene practices already.  
This is not at all accurate. If the models did not specifically state they accounted for social distancing, proper hygiene and shelter in place then they did not. At least not any model the government or those of us in healthcare were using. The respected models displayed breakdowns on possible outcomes for various scenarios. No action, social distancing, stay at home order, shelter in place and are updated daily. The models that were touting massive numbers were models to forecast what MAY happen if people didn't take this serious.  Basically to scare people. 
The models that said over a million assumed nothing.

The models that assumed 200k ... revised down to 100k ... revised down to 60k assumed social distancing.  

Per Dr. Birx.  

We did not need 40k ventilators in NY.  We were not in need of beds.  More reports are coming out in at least three states that they put down coronavirus as the cause of death without knowing it. 

The projections were faulty.  They never knew the denominator.  
I was shocked to see that 50k per year die of pneumonia per year and up to 60k for the flu. It will be interesting to see how these deaths compare to prior years.  




The real question is how much of an even bigger catastrophe would Covid-19 be (especially relative to seasonal pneumonia and influenza) if we didnt social distance to the degree we did and will need to do on-going?

Pray god we may never know - even though were not out of the woods yet...
We won’t know until we see the antibody tests.  I suspect more people have it than we realize and this will end up being much like h1n1.

I have read discussions that the way we handled it will make a second round more likely - people didn’t build the antibodies.  Maybe we will have a confirmed treatment or vaccine next time around.   

The push for vaccines scared me though. 
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There is a growing hypothesis that Covid-19 may have a seasonal element to it. Race is definitely on for vaccine and therapeutics. 

Now we've got to figure out how to re-open and not kill people doing so. 
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 Confused Confused Confused

Best Buy to furlough 51,000 workers as stores provide only curbside pickupCoronavirus epidemic has upended most retail, and Best Buy's sales are down 30% in last month.
By  Kavita Kumar Star TribuneApril 15, 2020 — 8:34am
Best Buy will furlough 51,000 store employees in the U.S., or about 40% of its total workforce, as its stores remain closed nationwide aside from curbside pickup.
The Richfield-based retailer’s sales were up 4% heading into the pandemic, and surged 25% in one week in mid-March as consumers preparing to hunker down at home rushed to buy computers, keyboards, webcams and home needs.
While it continues to see strong demand for those products, Best Buy said Wednesday that sales have plummeted 30% in the last month since stores have closed to the public.
CEO Corie Barry said the quick pivot to curbside pickup last month when stores were closed has been a “remarkable success,” helping the company to retain many sales. Online sales have skyrocketed 250% in that time, about half of which have come through curbside pickup orders and rest being orders shipped to homes.
“Seventy percent of our normal business is quite an achievement given that we have gone from being a retailer with nearly 1,000 stores to one that does all of its business online,” she said in a video message sent to corporate employees Wednesday morning. “But 70% also means we’re losing 30% of our normal business. This means we cannot operate normally for very long or we risk harming the company.”
Barry said she and the board of directors will forgo 50% of their base salary or cash retainer fees through at least Sept. 1. Executives who report directly to her are taking a 20% pay cut.
In recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of retail workers across the U.S. have been furloughed as many stores shuttered for an unknown period of time during the pandemic. Department stores and specialty apparel retailers have been hit especially hard. Macy’s, for example, has said that it has lost the majority of its sales, even though it continues to fulfill online orders.
Best Buy will furlough all of its part-time store employees and about 20% of its full-time hourly workers in the U.S. Most of its in-home advisers and Geek Squad agents will stay on the payroll.
Furloughed employees are eligible for unemployment and Best Buy will cover any company health benefits, including premiums, for at least three months.
“We prolonged this decision as long as we could, working to save as much money in every other area of the company,” Barry said. “We halted all travel and hiring, renegotiated every contract we could and worked with our vendors on more favorable terms.”
Furloughed employees will be paid through Saturday. The company had continued to pay workers the last few weeks even as many of them had no hours as Best Buy moved to a curbside-only model.
Best Buy said Wednesday that its foundation has also partnered with Dick Schulze, the retailer’s founder, to establish a $10 million employee assistance fund to help workers financially impacted by the pandemic.
Other cost cuts include suspending Best Buy’s 401(k) matching program, reducing promotional and marketing spending and lowering capital expenditures.
Some corporate employees also will be taking voluntary furloughs or have opted to reduce their hours and pay. Best Buy did not say how many headquarters employees have chosen to do so.
“The situation remains very fluid, and there is still a great deal of uncertainty, particularly as it relates to depth and duration of store closures and consumer confidence over time,” Barry said in a statement on Wednesday.
Best Buy has been deemed “essential” and allowed to remain open during stay-at-home orders in nearly every part of the country aside from New Mexico and Puerto Rico, said Carly Charlson, a Best Buy spokeswoman.
Still, Best Buy decided to close its stores to foot traffic on March 22, limiting purchases to curbside pickup, as a safety measure for employees and customers. It also has voluntarily closed about 40 stores, even for curbside pickup, for at least 10 days in hot spots such as parts of New York and New Jersey.
Best Buy will reopen stores as soon as it’s safe to do so, with the timing expected to vary across the country, Barry said.
She added that the company hopes to resume making in-home deliveries, installations and repairs — which had been suspended at the same time as stores were closed — in the “near future.” In the meantime, deliveries of items such as refrigerators are being left on doorsteps.
Last month, Best Buy drew the full amount its $1.25 billion revolving credit facility and suspended all share repurchases.
On Wednesday, the company also said it was lowering its merchandise orders from vendors in some areas as it focuses on essential items in higher demand and is extending its payment terms with some of its key vendors.
It said overall sales were down 5% in the first nine weeks of the quarter, as of April 4.
The company will release its full first-quarter results in late May.
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Quote: @purplefaithful said:
 Confused Confused Confused

Best Buy to furlough 51,000 workers as stores provide only curbside pickupCoronavirus epidemic has upended most retail, and Best Buy's sales are down 30% in last month.
By  Kavita Kumar Star TribuneApril 15, 2020 — 8:34am
Best Buy will furlough 51,000 store employees in the U.S., or about 40% of its total workforce, as its stores remain closed nationwide aside from curbside pickup.
The Richfield-based retailer’s sales were up 4% heading into the pandemic, and surged 25% in one week in mid-March as consumers preparing to hunker down at home rushed to buy computers, keyboards, webcams and home needs.
While it continues to see strong demand for those products, Best Buy said Wednesday that sales have plummeted 30% in the last month since stores have closed to the public.
CEO Corie Barry said the quick pivot to curbside pickup last month when stores were closed has been a “remarkable success,” helping the company to retain many sales. Online sales have skyrocketed 250% in that time, about half of which have come through curbside pickup orders and rest being orders shipped to homes.
“Seventy percent of our normal business is quite an achievement given that we have gone from being a retailer with nearly 1,000 stores to one that does all of its business online,” she said in a video message sent to corporate employees Wednesday morning. “But 70% also means we’re losing 30% of our normal business. This means we cannot operate normally for very long or we risk harming the company.”
Barry said she and the board of directors will forgo 50% of their base salary or cash retainer fees through at least Sept. 1. Executives who report directly to her are taking a 20% pay cut.
In recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of retail workers across the U.S. have been furloughed as many stores shuttered for an unknown period of time during the pandemic. Department stores and specialty apparel retailers have been hit especially hard. Macy’s, for example, has said that it has lost the majority of its sales, even though it continues to fulfill online orders.
Best Buy will furlough all of its part-time store employees and about 20% of its full-time hourly workers in the U.S. Most of its in-home advisers and Geek Squad agents will stay on the payroll.
Furloughed employees are eligible for unemployment and Best Buy will cover any company health benefits, including premiums, for at least three months.
“We prolonged this decision as long as we could, working to save as much money in every other area of the company,” Barry said. “We halted all travel and hiring, renegotiated every contract we could and worked with our vendors on more favorable terms.”
Furloughed employees will be paid through Saturday. The company had continued to pay workers the last few weeks even as many of them had no hours as Best Buy moved to a curbside-only model.
Best Buy said Wednesday that its foundation has also partnered with Dick Schulze, the retailer’s founder, to establish a $10 million employee assistance fund to help workers financially impacted by the pandemic.
Other cost cuts include suspending Best Buy’s 401(k) matching program, reducing promotional and marketing spending and lowering capital expenditures.
Some corporate employees also will be taking voluntary furloughs or have opted to reduce their hours and pay. Best Buy did not say how many headquarters employees have chosen to do so.
“The situation remains very fluid, and there is still a great deal of uncertainty, particularly as it relates to depth and duration of store closures and consumer confidence over time,” Barry said in a statement on Wednesday.
Best Buy has been deemed “essential” and allowed to remain open during stay-at-home orders in nearly every part of the country aside from New Mexico and Puerto Rico, said Carly Charlson, a Best Buy spokeswoman.
Still, Best Buy decided to close its stores to foot traffic on March 22, limiting purchases to curbside pickup, as a safety measure for employees and customers. It also has voluntarily closed about 40 stores, even for curbside pickup, for at least 10 days in hot spots such as parts of New York and New Jersey.
Best Buy will reopen stores as soon as it’s safe to do so, with the timing expected to vary across the country, Barry said.
She added that the company hopes to resume making in-home deliveries, installations and repairs — which had been suspended at the same time as stores were closed — in the “near future.” In the meantime, deliveries of items such as refrigerators are being left on doorsteps.
Last month, Best Buy drew the full amount its $1.25 billion revolving credit facility and suspended all share repurchases.
On Wednesday, the company also said it was lowering its merchandise orders from vendors in some areas as it focuses on essential items in higher demand and is extending its payment terms with some of its key vendors.
It said overall sales were down 5% in the first nine weeks of the quarter, as of April 4.
The company will release its full first-quarter results in late May.
is this who you are with now?

I know we have one more poster for sure on here that is a BB employee.
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Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@purplefaithful said:
 Confused Confused Confused

Best Buy to furlough 51,000 workers as stores provide only curbside pickupCoronavirus epidemic has upended most retail, and Best Buy's sales are down 30% in last month.
By  Kavita Kumar Star TribuneApril 15, 2020 — 8:34am
Best Buy will furlough 51,000 store employees in the U.S., or about 40% of its total workforce, as its stores remain closed nationwide aside from curbside pickup.
The Richfield-based retailer’s sales were up 4% heading into the pandemic, and surged 25% in one week in mid-March as consumers preparing to hunker down at home rushed to buy computers, keyboards, webcams and home needs.
While it continues to see strong demand for those products, Best Buy said Wednesday that sales have plummeted 30% in the last month since stores have closed to the public.
CEO Corie Barry said the quick pivot to curbside pickup last month when stores were closed has been a “remarkable success,” helping the company to retain many sales. Online sales have skyrocketed 250% in that time, about half of which have come through curbside pickup orders and rest being orders shipped to homes.
“Seventy percent of our normal business is quite an achievement given that we have gone from being a retailer with nearly 1,000 stores to one that does all of its business online,” she said in a video message sent to corporate employees Wednesday morning. “But 70% also means we’re losing 30% of our normal business. This means we cannot operate normally for very long or we risk harming the company.”
Barry said she and the board of directors will forgo 50% of their base salary or cash retainer fees through at least Sept. 1. Executives who report directly to her are taking a 20% pay cut.
In recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of retail workers across the U.S. have been furloughed as many stores shuttered for an unknown period of time during the pandemic. Department stores and specialty apparel retailers have been hit especially hard. Macy’s, for example, has said that it has lost the majority of its sales, even though it continues to fulfill online orders.
Best Buy will furlough all of its part-time store employees and about 20% of its full-time hourly workers in the U.S. Most of its in-home advisers and Geek Squad agents will stay on the payroll.
Furloughed employees are eligible for unemployment and Best Buy will cover any company health benefits, including premiums, for at least three months.
“We prolonged this decision as long as we could, working to save as much money in every other area of the company,” Barry said. “We halted all travel and hiring, renegotiated every contract we could and worked with our vendors on more favorable terms.”
Furloughed employees will be paid through Saturday. The company had continued to pay workers the last few weeks even as many of them had no hours as Best Buy moved to a curbside-only model.
Best Buy said Wednesday that its foundation has also partnered with Dick Schulze, the retailer’s founder, to establish a $10 million employee assistance fund to help workers financially impacted by the pandemic.
Other cost cuts include suspending Best Buy’s 401(k) matching program, reducing promotional and marketing spending and lowering capital expenditures.
Some corporate employees also will be taking voluntary furloughs or have opted to reduce their hours and pay. Best Buy did not say how many headquarters employees have chosen to do so.
“The situation remains very fluid, and there is still a great deal of uncertainty, particularly as it relates to depth and duration of store closures and consumer confidence over time,” Barry said in a statement on Wednesday.
Best Buy has been deemed “essential” and allowed to remain open during stay-at-home orders in nearly every part of the country aside from New Mexico and Puerto Rico, said Carly Charlson, a Best Buy spokeswoman.
Still, Best Buy decided to close its stores to foot traffic on March 22, limiting purchases to curbside pickup, as a safety measure for employees and customers. It also has voluntarily closed about 40 stores, even for curbside pickup, for at least 10 days in hot spots such as parts of New York and New Jersey.
Best Buy will reopen stores as soon as it’s safe to do so, with the timing expected to vary across the country, Barry said.
She added that the company hopes to resume making in-home deliveries, installations and repairs — which had been suspended at the same time as stores were closed — in the “near future.” In the meantime, deliveries of items such as refrigerators are being left on doorsteps.
Last month, Best Buy drew the full amount its $1.25 billion revolving credit facility and suspended all share repurchases.
On Wednesday, the company also said it was lowering its merchandise orders from vendors in some areas as it focuses on essential items in higher demand and is extending its payment terms with some of its key vendors.
It said overall sales were down 5% in the first nine weeks of the quarter, as of April 4.
The company will release its full first-quarter results in late May.
is this who you are with now?

I know we have one more poster for sure on here that is a BB employee.
Nope - I work for one of the Pohlad businesses...


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Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@purplefaithful said:
 Confused Confused Confused

Best Buy to furlough 51,000 workers as stores provide only curbside pickupCoronavirus epidemic has upended most retail, and Best Buy's sales are down 30% in last month.
By  Kavita Kumar Star TribuneApril 15, 2020 — 8:34am
Best Buy will furlough 51,000 store employees in the U.S., or about 40% of its total workforce, as its stores remain closed nationwide aside from curbside pickup.
The Richfield-based retailer’s sales were up 4% heading into the pandemic, and surged 25% in one week in mid-March as consumers preparing to hunker down at home rushed to buy computers, keyboards, webcams and home needs.
While it continues to see strong demand for those products, Best Buy said Wednesday that sales have plummeted 30% in the last month since stores have closed to the public.
CEO Corie Barry said the quick pivot to curbside pickup last month when stores were closed has been a “remarkable success,” helping the company to retain many sales. Online sales have skyrocketed 250% in that time, about half of which have come through curbside pickup orders and rest being orders shipped to homes.
“Seventy percent of our normal business is quite an achievement given that we have gone from being a retailer with nearly 1,000 stores to one that does all of its business online,” she said in a video message sent to corporate employees Wednesday morning. “But 70% also means we’re losing 30% of our normal business. This means we cannot operate normally for very long or we risk harming the company.”
Barry said she and the board of directors will forgo 50% of their base salary or cash retainer fees through at least Sept. 1. Executives who report directly to her are taking a 20% pay cut.
In recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of retail workers across the U.S. have been furloughed as many stores shuttered for an unknown period of time during the pandemic. Department stores and specialty apparel retailers have been hit especially hard. Macy’s, for example, has said that it has lost the majority of its sales, even though it continues to fulfill online orders.
Best Buy will furlough all of its part-time store employees and about 20% of its full-time hourly workers in the U.S. Most of its in-home advisers and Geek Squad agents will stay on the payroll.
Furloughed employees are eligible for unemployment and Best Buy will cover any company health benefits, including premiums, for at least three months.
“We prolonged this decision as long as we could, working to save as much money in every other area of the company,” Barry said. “We halted all travel and hiring, renegotiated every contract we could and worked with our vendors on more favorable terms.”
Furloughed employees will be paid through Saturday. The company had continued to pay workers the last few weeks even as many of them had no hours as Best Buy moved to a curbside-only model.
Best Buy said Wednesday that its foundation has also partnered with Dick Schulze, the retailer’s founder, to establish a $10 million employee assistance fund to help workers financially impacted by the pandemic.
Other cost cuts include suspending Best Buy’s 401(k) matching program, reducing promotional and marketing spending and lowering capital expenditures.
Some corporate employees also will be taking voluntary furloughs or have opted to reduce their hours and pay. Best Buy did not say how many headquarters employees have chosen to do so.
“The situation remains very fluid, and there is still a great deal of uncertainty, particularly as it relates to depth and duration of store closures and consumer confidence over time,” Barry said in a statement on Wednesday.
Best Buy has been deemed “essential” and allowed to remain open during stay-at-home orders in nearly every part of the country aside from New Mexico and Puerto Rico, said Carly Charlson, a Best Buy spokeswoman.
Still, Best Buy decided to close its stores to foot traffic on March 22, limiting purchases to curbside pickup, as a safety measure for employees and customers. It also has voluntarily closed about 40 stores, even for curbside pickup, for at least 10 days in hot spots such as parts of New York and New Jersey.
Best Buy will reopen stores as soon as it’s safe to do so, with the timing expected to vary across the country, Barry said.
She added that the company hopes to resume making in-home deliveries, installations and repairs — which had been suspended at the same time as stores were closed — in the “near future.” In the meantime, deliveries of items such as refrigerators are being left on doorsteps.
Last month, Best Buy drew the full amount its $1.25 billion revolving credit facility and suspended all share repurchases.
On Wednesday, the company also said it was lowering its merchandise orders from vendors in some areas as it focuses on essential items in higher demand and is extending its payment terms with some of its key vendors.
It said overall sales were down 5% in the first nine weeks of the quarter, as of April 4.
The company will release its full first-quarter results in late May.
is this who you are with now?

I know we have one more poster for sure on here that is a BB employee.
Nope - I work for one of the Pohlad businesses...



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