Quote: @Bullazin said:
There is alot of projectable talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in this draft. I am hoping Love is there at 22 so we can trade back. the other first needs to be an immediate starter so most likely S or OL.
I am out on tank suggestions, this is the roster you built, coach their asses up and lets effing go, no excuses
I don't mind the idea of trading back from one of the first to acquire an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. Though Spielman seems to take a more swings approach, so if we traded back, it might just end up being more late round picks over getting back a higher value pick.
I do agree with the sentiment of the thread that the Vikings need to find 4+ starters from the draft. Some of those guys may not be long term starters, but maybe some high floor low ceilings guys that can be plugged in. Basically, the Gedeon type players who don't really have a future, but can hold the fort until we develop better players. Though maybe they can try to find some low to mid level vets to fill the immediate needs while they try to develop higher ceiling prospects. Though I assume that not wanting to lose compensation picks will be part of who they sign.
I get it i guess. allocating to next year is not really tanking, i just hate to think we are not 100 in on this year.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
I get it i guess. allocating to next year is not really tanking, i just hate to think we are not 100 in on this year.
i think sometimes its best to take a step back to really be able to see where your next step forward should be. I dont expect that they will do that, but I think as long as we have been banging on that door, maybe they need to look for a doorbell.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
I get it i guess. allocating to next year is not really tanking, i just hate to think we are not 100 in on this year.
I would have to disagree. For a couple of years we all knew that the day would eventually come where some of the older guys get bounced out. Sure, Diggs makes a lot of people think we aren't all in but I think they've done a good job on trying to free up cap and draft some new blood. I think the perception changes if the two first round picks make an instant impact.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
Round 3 Pick 25: Ben Bartch, OT, St. John's (B)
Is Bartch really a possibility in the 3rd?? Feels like that would be a big gamble.
IDK tbh. That draft wasnt too realistic actually, i was just bored being in the house for 10 days straight and picked players i like. Lamb is prolly top 10 lock and many other of my picks will go quite a bit higher.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
Like Claypool as an "X" receiver in Kubiak's offense but like Maroon mentioned, he has a TE feel to him. Pittman is the guy I really like in this offense.
Claypool and Pittman seem like very parallel WR prospects. I'm kind of bemused by the perception of Claypool having "a TE feel", especially if comparing him to Pittman. These guys are both big WRs, both excellent blocking receivers...but Claypool had higher YPC and TD ratio, and his 40, broad, and vertical were better...but since he weighs 238 instead of 223, he's going to grow into TE? Calvin Johnson carried 239 at the combine, I don't recall him sliding to TE.
IMO Vikings would be lucky if either or both were still around in the 3rd. If they had the choice, how much would preference for the college factor? I don't think GMs and scouts like to admit they have any such bias, but Spielman used to have a clear affection for Notre Dame players, maybe that is now faded. The Vikings have had good luck with USC players, too.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
Like Claypool as an "X" receiver in Kubiak's offense but like Maroon mentioned, he has a TE feel to him. Pittman is the guy I really like in this offense.
Claypool and Pittman seem like very parallel WR prospects. I'm kind of bemused by the perception of Claypool having "a TE feel", especially if comparing him to Pittman. These guys are both big WRs, both excellent blocking receivers...but Claypool had higher YPC and TD ratio, and his 40, broad, and vertical were better...but since he weighs 238 instead of 223, he's going to grow into TE? Calvin Johnson carried 239 at the combine, I don't recall him sliding to TE.
IMO Vikings would be lucky if either or both were still around in the 3rd. If they had the choice, how much would preference for the college factor? I don't think GMs and scouts like to admit they have any such bias, but Spielman used to have a clear affection for Notre Dame players, maybe that is now faded. The Vikings have had good luck with USC players, too.
The way they play is very different on tape although I see how you come to the similarities based on how they grade athletically. Claypool is a great size/speed athlete but he has a lot more stiffness than Pittman and doesn't track the ball down the field nearly as well. Which kind of gets you back to the TE "feel". If you want someone who will work well within 15-20 yards of the LOS Claypool uses leverage better. If you want a guy who can take the top off with his size and pluck the ball, Pittman is a better option.
i like Jalen Reagor as a sleeper. He doesnt have the size of the other top wideouts but he is strong and explosive on tape.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
Given that I think the Vikings will focus on the trenches heavily early I definitely see a scenario they try to trade up with someone like SF at #13 who would be interested in adding a few additional picks. There is a price associated with that, but then you can use #25 to trade back and recoup some of those assets and still get a strong D-lineman at the top of round 2. You could also flip-flop the D-line and O-lineman. But the idea would be to make sure you're getting at least 1 elite trench player. To play it out:
Say that SF at #13 would be open to moving back to #22. To do that MN gives up #22, #58, and their 2021 comp 3rd (Waynes). Pitt's trade up to #10 last year had about the same valuation.
The MN can trade back off #25 with someone like Indy who has dual 2nds. End up adding back #34 & #75.
End result is you still have the same # of picks in the top 100 of this years draft. But you add a much more talented player like Wirfs/Thomas at OT or Derrick Brown/Kinlaw at DT. All 4 of those guys are significantly better at their given positions than the drop-off at WR or CB.
Not a bad idea. I tried it out using this new site ...
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/
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Brown, Jackson, and Cushenbery certainly beefs up the trenches. Cushenberry is believed to be able to play guard and won the right to wear #18 at LSU due to his outstanding leadership. I think the Vikings like those kind of players.
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