OT: Coronavirus

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Pence goes on to say: "It's not the healthy that need a doctor, it's the sick. If you don't have symptoms you don't need a corona virus test."

See the discussion about Rand Paul a few posts back and man... sometimes this coronavirus stuff just leads in circles. 

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@MaroonBells said:

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@purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. 
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality


Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune. 
When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then. 
I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

I have seen mention of immunity by several posters.  I havent actually seen any documented medical data that suggests that they body develops a long term immunity,  this isnt like the chicken pox where if you get it once you wont get it again from what I've read.  Some doctors are also suggesting that this will likely develop traits like the flu where it will run its course and then mutate into a similar but different strain that can reinfect. 

Yes, anything is possible and nothing is documented. Obviously. This is the great unknown. But most experts believe that it will behave like most infections and you will develop a level of immunity to it once you recover. The word I've heard bandied about is "likely." 

im no geek but even if it comes back around there should be some immunity ?  

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@Bullazin said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:
@purplefaithful I know we all have different perspectives on CNN and MSM. That aside, there's a lesson here...We're going to need to have enough test, tracing and isolating capability in place to address everyone - even the asymmetricals. 
I dont mean that to sound dire, but I do think it will be our reality - and the worlds reality


Just to play devil's advocate, I have to wonder if we won't get to a point where living (and, yes, dying) with corona is just the new normal. We’ll adjust, take precautions, and we’ll ACCEPT the fact that most of us are going to be infected. But 96% to 98% of us will survive, recover and then be immune. 
When we hit that realization--that new normal (a shitty normal to be sure, especially for the elderly)--restaurants will open, borders will open, businesses will open. Infections will increase again, because we won't be over the virus by a long shot, but because of the amount of those immune, and the knowledge of prevention we will then have, the curve will be seen as tolerable, especially considering where we once WERE, and what it will have done to the world's economy by then. 
I don't know if this is 6 weeks from now or 6 months, but at some point, we either have to get back to business or we'll be facing a Depression that will make the 30s look like a bad day on Wall Street. I know this might sound crass and uncaring, but I do believe that economic devastation with the job losses that come with it, the destruction of families and futures, suicides, etc. has the potential to do as much or more damage than a virus that will kill 3% of us could ever do. I don't know...just something I'm thinking. 

I have seen mention of immunity by several posters.  I havent actually seen any documented medical data that suggests that they body develops a long term immunity,  this isnt like the chicken pox where if you get it once you wont get it again from what I've read.  Some doctors are also suggesting that this will likely develop traits like the flu where it will run its course and then mutate into a similar but different strain that can reinfect. 

Yes, anything is possible and nothing is documented. Obviously. This is the great unknown. But most experts believe that it will behave like most infections and you will develop a level of immunity to it once you recover. The word I've heard bandied about is "likely." 

im no geek but even if it comes back around there should be some immunity ?  

Yes according to many ID's that have spoken using past flu seasons and even specific Coronavirus's (not 19 but others) it is very unlikely that you will get the same flu strain, like Covid-19, again.  Stress the same flu strain.  So the medical thought is that you will not get it again but it is possible that could get a different flu strain.  But that is also not overly common but we are in unchartered waters with Covid-19.  

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Sidenote:  I am really happy that the whole government conspiracy theorists have been laying low.  We are all in this together and under these circumstances is a perfect example of why we need both state and federal government.  Just my opinion.

But we all know it won't be long where all the wing nuts start.  If it happened after 9/11 it will certainly happen with this situation.  

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@BlackMagic7 said:
Pence goes on to say: "It's not the healthy that need a doctor, it's the sick. If you don't have symptoms you don't need a corona virus test."

See the discussion about Rand Paul a few posts back and man... sometimes this coronavirus stuff just leads in circles. 

There wasn't a lot in that presser I really thought much of.  Got a feeling we are gonna beat Italy on this one. {chant if you want}
Rand Paul is a doctor, if he needed to be tested, he should have been preparing for the results, not assuming anything.

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@minny65 said:
Sidenote:  I am really happy that the whole government conspiracy theorists have been laying low.  We are all in this together and under these circumstances is a perfect example of why we need both state and federal government.  Just my opinion.

But we all know it won't be long where all the wing nuts start.  If it happened after 9/11 it will certainly happen with this situation.  

Conspiracy theories love to go against the grain. They don't know up from down when the Trump administration offers "free money" and is lambasted by his own supporters while Dems reject it and get lambasted by their own supporters.

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@BlackMagic7 said:

@minny65 said:
Sidenote:  I am really happy that the whole government conspiracy theorists have been laying low.  We are all in this together and under these circumstances is a perfect example of why we need both state and federal government.  Just my opinion.

But we all know it won't be long where all the wing nuts start.  If it happened after 9/11 it will certainly happen with this situation.  

Conspiracy theories love to go against the grain. They don't know up from down when the Trump administration offers "free money" and is lambasted by his own supporters while Dems reject it and get lambasted by their own supporters.

Agree and not all are political but most are   I actually wouldn't call your above a conspiracy theory per say that is just different political spin which has been forever.  I am talking more of the "our government planned and executed 9/11 or for example this Covid-19 was purposely created by:_____________  fill in the blank.  

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Or my favorite today was the lack of testing has occurred because we were told it was going to be at no cost, so insurance companies are slow walking it.  That's BS, but why are they so slow?  Lack of trust spawns this crap. 

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Update for those that have inquired:

my symptoms really haven't changed for almost a week, now.  My fever is inching downward, and I think that some of my ongoing symptoms may actually be in response to allergy season kicking off.

Thanks, everyone that expressed concern.  So far, so good.

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@Zanary said:
Update for those that have inquired:

my symptoms really haven't changed for almost a week, now.  My fever is inching downward, and I think that some of my ongoing symptoms may actually be in response to allergy season kicking off.

Thanks, everyone that expressed concern.  So far, so good.

Good to hear,  I hope Havoc is having some positive changes as well.