Quote: @Canthony said:
I really want to know your opinion on this. I really would love if it turned out this way and we could benefit right away. I am okay with people laughing at me if that is what they choose to do.
I would love if we went.... This all depends on if we add a CB in FA
22. A.J. Epenesa, DE - Great at point of contact. Power, speed, and moves
25. Ross Blacklock, DT - Great power and motor. Perfect addition to a hole in need
58. Prince Tega Wanogho, OT - Perfect in the zone blocking scheme. Moves well. Perfect fit.
89.
Chase Claypool, WR - This is about where I want to get our WR. Has is
it all speed, power, feet, great at contested catches, good route runner
I think there is a lot of good here. Going Epenesa / Blacklock in the first is probably over-kill. I like both fits for different reasons but don't think you're creating value by taking both.
Epenesa is a nice fit since he can play 4-3 DE and will be a stout edge opposite of Hunter. He also is more athletic than he tested. His real value though is in a rotation with Odenigbo. If they can slide both of those guys in at DE and down the line to 3-tech, you really have something. In time Epenesa may end up playing primarily inside but I think that isn't a day 1 experiment.
Blacklock doesn't give you the same flexibility but is the 3T upfield penatrator that unlocks Zimmer's pass rush. I do wonder if flexibility is worth more early since you can find more one-dimensional interior pass rushers later.
Don't mind Prince but don't necessarily think he fits the Vikings typical draft profile. They typically draft underclassmen for their developmental prospects. Prince is on the older side for that. Shaddiq Charles (if off-field is ok) or Isaiah Wilson maybe fit a bit better. For a team that likes to draft and develop age is an underlying concern.
Like Claypool as an "X" receiver in Kubiak's offense but like Maroon mentioned, he has a TE feel to him. Pittman is the guy I really like in this offense.
I keep playing around with these mock draft simulators. Sometimes they come up with results that are quite enticing. Did this one the other day, and must say I wouldn't be too upset if it turned out as such. Added a 5th as a bonus 
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
brother we laugh, but its not because of your picks. :p
personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder. I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time. I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year, as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year. I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.
I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too.
The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy.
Some people here need to get real with their expectations.
I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.
You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team.
They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired.
Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.
This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters.
I mentioned moving 2 picks to next year, one first and one third, and the first would still likely net us a pick this year in the 2nd or 3rd , hardly throwing in the towel on this years draft. I just dont see this year being a good one so unless there is some special talent at OL or DL sitting there with both of those first round picks I would rather see them moved to the future.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
brother we laugh, but its not because of your picks. :p
personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder. I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time. I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year, as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year. I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.
I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too.
The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy.
Some people here need to get real with their expectations.
I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.
You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team.
They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired.
Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.
This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters.
I mentioned moving 2 picks to next year, one first and one third, and the first would still likely net us a pick this year in the 2nd or 3rd , hardly throwing in the towel on this years draft. I just dont see this year being a good one so unless there is some special talent at OL or DL sitting there with both of those first round picks I would rather see them moved to the future.
That's a thought...but according to the experts, they don't believe the Viking will have a very good season this year and with that...the Vikings will probably end up with a high draft pick anyways. Along with some compensatory picks too.
Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
brother we laugh, but its not because of your picks. :p
personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder. I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time. I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year, as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year. I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.
I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too.
The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy.
Some people here need to get real with their expectations.
I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.
You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team.
They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired.
Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.
This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters.
I mentioned moving 2 picks to next year, one first and one third, and the first would still likely net us a pick this year in the 2nd or 3rd , hardly throwing in the towel on this years draft. I just dont see this year being a good one so unless there is some special talent at OL or DL sitting there with both of those first round picks I would rather see them moved to the future.
That's a thought...but according to the experts, they don't believe the Viking will have a very good season this year and with that...the Vikings will probably end up with a high draft pick anyways. Along with some compensatory picks too.
My thoughts are if we end up with around an early to mid 1st round pick of our own, plus what ever we would get from a team this year that wants that 22nd or 25th pick, it would give us enough ammo to easily jump into the top 5 for either Kirks eventual replacement, or being able to get at least one if not 2 blue chip type players, as opposed to picking in the 20s and getting good but not great prospects.
Given that I think the Vikings will focus on the trenches heavily early I definitely see a scenario they try to trade up with someone like SF at #13 who would be interested in adding a few additional picks. There is a price associated with that, but then you can use #25 to trade back and recoup some of those assets and still get a strong D-lineman at the top of round 2. You could also flip-flop the D-line and O-lineman. But the idea would be to make sure you're getting at least 1 elite trench player. To play it out:
Say that SF at #13 would be open to moving back to #22. To do that MN gives up #22, #58, and their 2021 comp 3rd (Waynes). Pitt's trade up to #10 last year had about the same valuation.
The MN can trade back off #25 with someone like Indy who has dual 2nds. End up adding back #34 & #75.
End result is you still have the same # of picks in the top 100 of this years draft. But you add a much more talented player like Wirfs/Thomas at OT or Derrick Brown/Kinlaw at DT. All 4 of those guys are significantly better at their given positions than the drop-off at WR or CB.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
Given that I think the Vikings will focus on the trenches heavily early I definitely see a scenario they try to trade up with someone like SF at #13 who would be interested in adding a few additional picks. There is a price associated with that, but then you can use #25 to trade back and recoup some of those assets and still get a strong D-lineman at the top of round 2. You could also flip-flop the D-line and O-lineman. But the idea would be to make sure you're getting at least 1 elite trench player. To play it out:
Say that SF at #13 would be open to moving back to #22. To do that MN gives up #22, #58, and their 2021 comp 3rd (Waynes). Pitt's trade up to #10 last year had about the same valuation.
The MN can trade back off #25 with someone like Indy who has dual 2nds. End up adding back #34 & #75.
End result is you still have the same # of picks in the top 100 of this years draft. But you add a much more talented player like Wirfs/Thomas at OT or Derrick Brown/Kinlaw at DT. All 4 of those guys are significantly better at their given positions than the drop-off at WR or CB.
I like this idea a lot. If it did happen, I hope we would abandon that usual strategy of trading 3rds and 4ths for a pile of 7ths.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
brother we laugh, but its not because of your picks. :p
personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder. I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time. I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year, as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year. I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.
I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too.
The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy.
Some people here need to get real with their expectations.
I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.
You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team.
They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired.
Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.
This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters.
I hear you. But as to the bolded part... sure we can draft 4-6 guys and give them starting roles, but getting 4-6 quality starters is a different story. It's almost impossible.
In 2019 by most accounts the Vikings had a good draft, and we got exactly 1 starter (Bradbury). Irv, Mattison, and Bisi also saw significant time.
In 2018, we got 2 rookie starters. O'Neill, and a Kicker who was cut after 2 games. Hughes also saw significant time.
2017- Dalvin, Elflein (No first round pick that year).
If the Vikings hit home runs on 6 different picks this year it would be an absolute miracle and Rick, who I already do think should be extended, should get a statue outside US Bank Stadium.
I hope Minnesota recognizes the predicament, and moves a few 2020 picks for better ones in 2021.
I agree, the Draft will be fascinating. Can't wait!
There is alot of projectable talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in this draft. I am hoping Love is there at 22 so we can trade back. the other first needs to be an immediate starter so most likely S or OL.
I am out on tank suggestions, this is the roster you built, coach their asses up and lets effing go, no excuses
Quote: @Bullazin said:
There is alot of projectable talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in this draft. I am hoping Love is there at 22 so we can trade back. the other first needs to be an immediate starter so most likely S or OL.
I am out on tank suggestions, this is the roster you built, coach their asses up and lets effing go, no excuses
I dont think anybody is suggesting tanking, I think most are just a little bleak on next years prognosis.
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