Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This team needs a lot of things. OL. DT, QB, DB, LB. I know last week felt good, but we need to make some hard decisions on the direction of this team from the top down.
I am afraid that if they try and band aid this shit to try and get another run we are just delaying the inevitable. We are good enough to be stuck in purgatory. I would rather have a 3-13 year or two and know that we are reloading for a real chance, overpaying declining vets isnt the answer IMO.
This I 100% agree with. But I can't agree with @ Ralphie 's comment saying it begins and ends with the line. It begins there, sure. But it doesn't end there.
Kirk was under duress all day, so that's a giant problem. But it's a problem that good defenses are going to be able to do. So you can either build the best O-line ever or you can try to find a mobile QB. It's debatable which option is easier.
Sorry Pattersaur, but if Cook can't run and Cousins can't stay upright it's on the line.
Frisco has a solid secondary but they are nothing without that D line. If we give Cousins time the Frisco secondary becomes average.
By "it ends there" I meant that's how games are finished...just like Frisco did today, having a dominant O line sucks the air out of the D at the end of the game.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
This team needs a lot of things. OL. DT, QB, DB, LB. I know last week felt good, but we need to make some hard decisions on the direction of this team from the top down.
I am afraid that if they try and band aid this shit to try and get another run we are just delaying the inevitable. We are good enough to be stuck in purgatory. I would rather have a 3-13 year or two and know that we are reloading for a real chance, overpaying declining vets isnt the answer IMO.
I guarantee that's exactly what is going to happen. They think they are knocking on the door of a Lombardi. I think they have way to many deficiencies and holes to fill.
They will get one more year to work on it.
But right now, the defense doesn't dominate and the offense struggles to do anything against winning teams. Not a formula for ongoing success.
I just can't help beating a dead horse on the playcalling right now.
Having a gameplan that Christian Ponder could have handled as your playoff gameplan doesn't help the quarterback. :/ The screen orientated passing attack has to go. It doesn't need to go away entirely, it's just not going to trick a defense every time, and surely not when they're aware it's your bread and butter.
A mobile QB might have extended plays, and might have given WRs a 2nd opportunity to break open. I don't think any QB is going to really fix a passing game that depends on screens, especially when the playcaller doesn't react to it being covered by lineman or doesn't sense the defense waiting on it.
Quote: @Ralphie said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This team needs a lot of things. OL. DT, QB, DB, LB. I know last week felt good, but we need to make some hard decisions on the direction of this team from the top down.
I am afraid that if they try and band aid this shit to try and get another run we are just delaying the inevitable. We are good enough to be stuck in purgatory. I would rather have a 3-13 year or two and know that we are reloading for a real chance, overpaying declining vets isnt the answer IMO.
This I 100% agree with. But I can't agree with @ Ralphie 's comment saying it begins and ends with the line. It begins there, sure. But it doesn't end there.
Kirk was under duress all day, so that's a giant problem. But it's a problem that good defenses are going to be able to do. So you can either build the best O-line ever or you can try to find a mobile QB. It's debatable which option is easier.
Sorry Pattersaur, but if Cook can't run and Cousins can't stay upright it's on the line.
Frisco has a solid secondary but they are nothing without that D line. If we give Cousins time the Frisco secondary becomes average.
By "it ends there" I meant that's how games are finished...just like Frisco did today, having a dominant O line sucks the air out of the D at the end of the game.
problem is, i cant see turning this line around in one offseason. Elf was below average, Bradbury was bad in pass pro, Reiff was average at best. With our cap situation we wont fix this line for an immobile QB
If cousins wont resign for around 25 to 28 per year so we can fix the OL quicker, then move on and start the rebuild now.
Garappolo is not mobile and could win the Superbowl. It's the Lines. And shit CBs.
But it's not a multi-season solution. That's horseshit, frankly. Teams go from Superbowl losers to out of the Playoffs the next year and bottom dwellers to Playoffs participants constantly. To say it's a multi-season Line rebuild when teams turn it around in 1 offseason defies logic.
Bradbury profiles very highly to improve. 2nd year in an NFL weight room has benefited hundreds of players including players on this team. Kline will compete with Samia, and hopefully Collins. O'Neill will continue to get better.
Elf sucks. He's can't be in the plans. Period. Slow and weak. Bad combination. Reiff is aging and not worth the paycheck. There are teams left in the Playoffs that don't have Top 10 in the Draft Left Tackles. In fact, most don't. You can absolutely find Reiff's replacement in the 1st or 2nd Round. Or sign Jason Peters, who's playing as well as Wentworth was when everyone went gaga over him.
Kline was barely a Tier 2 FA. I wouldn't argue that he's Tier 3. Even a Tier 3 guy is an upgrade over Elf, who is maybe worse than Compton or Remmers. The Vikings can sign a Tier 2 guy and add a mid-round pick to increase the competition for both Guard spots.
The O-Line improved this year. Not by enough. The next improvement is not hard to attain with decent upgrades. Year 2 in the same scheme will also help. As well as growth from Irv and Bisi. And Playcalling.
The Defense needs a 3T. And CBs. But Zimmer made some nice late season adjustments to shore up that side of the ball. The Draft and in-house development of some young guys should keep it Top 10. If the Offense can improve again like it did this year that should be enough to have a really good year.
And if it doesn't result in a deep run you start making changes. Signing Kirk Cousins was always a 3 year ride. The idea that you start preparing for the after his deal is up at the expense of maximizing the final year of his deal is poor management.
They will extend Cousins, lower his cap hit, and free up some space. However, fixing both lines will need to happen for this team to take the next step.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
with pocket awareness and see if the accuracy develops. It adds such a dimension to a modern offense.
Cousins is a good QB, but the best qb’s in todays game have that extra dimension
Cousins was not the problem today. We were TORCHED on the OL/DL.
Your wish (Lamar Jackson) went down hard tonite. Why? The Titans have OT's Lewan & Conklin and very solid elsewhere on OL.
Would I take Tua? Absotively posolutely. He can spin the rock, ultimate pocket awareness and accurate.
But we won't have a chance to draft Tua. But we do have a chance to draft OL/DL/WR.
Rushing QB and MVP meets dominant OL and RB.
Congrats Titans.
I still have to push back on the idea that, "fix the O-Line and the offense will level up".
It will definitely help, but I'm still not certain that even with a great O-line that Kirk can take us to the promised land. The Great O-Line is the mythical thing we fans have been wanting for years, but I'm starting to think it's not what we NEED.
I'm stating here, in a "We Need To Draft A Mobile QB" thread, that I'd like to see us draft a guy in the first 2 days with some mobility. Will Rick? Probably not. But I'd like to see it.
And yes @ purplefaithful , finding a franchise QB is hard. But there's a couple new ones every year. So it's not impossible. I'd like to see the Vikings be more proactive in finding a mobile one.
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