Quote: @comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
Could be, but not quite the epic failure as the consensus #1 overall pick.
My point is not the Richardson is going to succeed necessarily, but that he's going to be drafted very highly for his potential. GMs can't help themselves.
Quote: @comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.
Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.
If this QB class plays out like most, one of these guys will be good, one will be OK and other two will bust.
If I were to pick one QB for each, I would say Levis is the good one, Young the OK one and the other two the busts. And I fully realize I'm in the minority on that.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
If this QB class plays out like most, one of these guys will be good, one will be OK and other two will bust.
If I were to pick one QB for each, I would say Levis is the good one, Young the OK one and the other two the busts. And I fully realize I'm in the minority on that.
how much of that is on the prospects, vs going to teams that have nothing in place to develop a prospect and throw them to the wolves far to soon? Personally I think the later is much more likely the cause of so many decent college QBs failing in the pros, and then we see later round players develop into successful players. IMO the coaching staff and a strong ownership group that isnt expecting immediate results is much more important than just getting the right kid out of the pool of prospects.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.
Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.
I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently. Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff. My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst. Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.
I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL. He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.
Quote: @comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.
Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.
I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently. Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff. My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst. Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.
I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL. He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.
I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.
Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.
I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently. Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff. My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst. Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.
I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL. He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.
I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie.
And QBs that have to run are about as predictable and vulnerable as QBs like Cousins that never leave their spot in the pocket. Ideally I wouldnt really want a QB that is under 6'3", I know that there are plenty of exceptions ( Pat Mahomes ) but the shorter guys have to rely a lot more on arm angles and other things to create passing lanes, than a guy that can stand in there and fire it over the OL and defenders. Im not saying a shorter QB cant have success, but when we are talking about prospects that all need to develop, the less obstacles the better IMO.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.
Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.
I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently. Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff. My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst. Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.
I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL. He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.
I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie.
And QBs that have to run are about as predictable and vulnerable as QBs like Cousins that never leave their spot in the pocket. Ideally I wouldnt really want a QB that is under 6'3", I know that there are plenty of exceptions ( Pat Mahomes ) but the shorter guys have to rely a lot more on arm angles and other things to create passing lanes, than a guy that can stand in there and fire it over the OL and defenders. Im not saying a shorter QB cant have success, but when we are talking about prospects that all need to develop, the less obstacles the better IMO.
To me, 6' and 200 pounds is the minimum standard for an NFL QB and Young is below both those standards. Sure, there have been smaller QB's that have had some success in the league but those guys are rare and even then, were not thought to be elite level QB's. Kyler Murray is kind of carrying that flag and hope, but how many coaching candidates turned down the Cardinals job because they didn't want to be saddled with Murray and his attitude/limitations? So, the Bryce Young stuff is surprising to me. I understand he's from the football factory that is Alabama and won the Heisman, but I wouldn't gamble on him with a top 20 pick.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.
The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.
Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.
I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently. Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff. My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst. Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.
I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL. He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.
I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie.
And QBs that have to run are about as predictable and vulnerable as QBs like Cousins that never leave their spot in the pocket. Ideally I wouldnt really want a QB that is under 6'3", I know that there are plenty of exceptions ( Pat Mahomes ) but the shorter guys have to rely a lot more on arm angles and other things to create passing lanes, than a guy that can stand in there and fire it over the OL and defenders. Im not saying a shorter QB cant have success, but when we are talking about prospects that all need to develop, the less obstacles the better IMO.
To me, 6' and 200 pounds is the minimum standard for an NFL QB and Young is below both those standards. Sure, there have been smaller QB's that have had some success in the league but those guys are rare and even then, were not thought to be elite level QB's. Kyler Murray is kind of carrying that flag and hope, but how many coaching candidates turned down the Cardinals job because they didn't want to be saddled with Murray and his attitude/limitations? So, the Bryce Young stuff is surprising to me. I understand he's from the football factory that is Alabama and won the Heisman, but I wouldn't gamble on him with a top 20 pick.
I think with DL getting bigger and stronger, we will need to get bigger and stronger on the OL to counter, the days to those guys being about 285 and listed as 305 are coming to a close because if they cant anchor in pass pro... in a pass happy league, there isnt really a place for them, but simply being fat isnt going to cut it, I see OL becoming monsters like the DTs have become, we used to see those huge humans at the OL positions, but they transitioned to smaller faster guys, I think we see that trend reverse, as such the smaller QBs will have a harder time.
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