Quote: @greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?
Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....
But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots.
I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution? Maybe I missed that part?
The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply.
Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins.
Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them. What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.
seems odd to me that about every other part of the constitution is timeless, a document drafted over 200 years ago applies to current situations in about every instance, ie freedom of speech applying to social media and other situations that the founding fathers could have never dreamed of, but the 2nd, nope, that was never meant to apply to semiautomatic weapons, it was written for muskets.
Not sure where you are going with this, please expound. What groups are you trying to alighn or just saying there are less restrictions on free speech and should be more or that something should be done about the 2nd.
2nd amendment literally says citizens can own guns. If you don’t like it, amend it. We have a straight forward simple process to righting the ship as you see it.
okay, but isn't it explicitly for the purpose of “well regulated” militias, which are at the discretion of the “state”? If so Heller is a wet dream result for gunsluts.
There is nothing in the second amendment that limits gun ownership for malitias. Militias are made up from citizens. The amendment says we need malitias to protect us from a federal gov that oversteps and goes onto say that my right to keep and use arms shall not be infringed.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
You can tell when the debate is over, the loser starts using slurs.
You wear it well. You would reconsider your antichoice stance if you could get pregnant for your preferred and lascivious proclivities, your just too easy in so many ways.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?
Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....
But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots.
I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution? Maybe I missed that part?
The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply.
Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins.
Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them. What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.
seems odd to me that about every other part of the constitution is timeless, a document drafted over 200 years ago applies to current situations in about every instance, ie freedom of speech applying to social media and other situations that the founding fathers could have never dreamed of, but the 2nd, nope, that was never meant to apply to semiautomatic weapons, it was written for muskets.
Not sure where you are going with this, please expound. What groups are you trying to alighn or just saying there are less restrictions on free speech and should be more or that something should be done about the 2nd.
2nd amendment literally says citizens can own guns. If you don’t like it, amend it. We have a straight forward simple process to righting the ship as you see it.
okay, but isn't it explicitly for the purpose of “well regulated” militias, which are at the discretion of the “state”? If so Heller is a wet dream result for gunsluts.
There is nothing in the second amendment that limits gun ownership for malitias. Militias are made up from citizens. The amendment says we need malitias to protect us from a federal gov that oversteps and goes onto say that my right to keep and use arms shall not be infringed.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
You can tell when the debate is over, the loser starts using slurs.
You wear it well. You would reconsider your antichoice stance if you could get pregnant for your preferred and lascivious proclivities, your just too easy in so many ways.
As I said, loser starts throwing slurs.
And then devolves into unintelligible lunacy.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Either you care more about guns.....or you care more about kids. There's no other direction. If we can't get bipartisan action on this, what could we ever get it on?
Oh stop politicizing this tragedy. Never mind that if a bridge collapses, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, change laws, codes, standards, etc. Never mind that if a texting teen crashes his car into a family, we don't hesitate to politicize the tragedy by enacting legislation, pass laws, etc. Never mind that if a nut brings down a plane, we don't hesitate to beef up airport security, change laws, enact legislation. Never mind that if an idiot blows his face off with a roman candle, we make them illegal, pass laws, enact legislation. We politicize the tragedy. Etc, etc, etc....
But if nuts go into schools and shoot kids with combat weapons over and over and over again, we do nothing. Because if we do, if we even TALK about possible solutions, we're accused of "politicizing the tragedy." Fucking idiots.
I dont recall reading about fireworks and codes in the constitution? Maybe I missed that part?
The laws are already in place to remedy the situation in the manner you seek. By all means politicize your cause and make the change to the constitution. If the people of the country approve, I’ll happily comply.
Until then, my heart bleeds for anyone negativly impacted by firearms. I didnt sleep much last night. Something is seriously fucked up in this country. I kept thinking of the horror these kids experienced. My youngest is just 1 grade ahead of these kids. I’m on board with changes that obviously need to happen somewhere somehow. I don’t have a clue where one begins.
Just as an fyi, prior to reading about the school, we had intruders on our property last night. (9ish PM). I certainly went armed (concealed) when I confronted them. What is your solution for such an incident? They had a “I’m lost” story but they were awful close to buildings for someone “lost”.
seems odd to me that about every other part of the constitution is timeless, a document drafted over 200 years ago applies to current situations in about every instance, ie freedom of speech applying to social media and other situations that the founding fathers could have never dreamed of, but the 2nd, nope, that was never meant to apply to semiautomatic weapons, it was written for muskets.
Not sure where you are going with this, please expound. What groups are you trying to alighn or just saying there are less restrictions on free speech and should be more or that something should be done about the 2nd.
2nd amendment literally says citizens can own guns. If you don’t like it, amend it. We have a straight forward simple process to righting the ship as you see it.
okay, but isn't it explicitly for the purpose of “well regulated” militias, which are at the discretion of the “state”? If so Heller is a wet dream result for gunsluts.
There is nothing in the second amendment that limits gun ownership for malitias. Militias are made up from citizens. The amendment says we need malitias to protect us from a federal gov that oversteps and goes onto say that my right to keep and use arms shall not be infringed.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
You are correct about limitations for malitias, but in every context of the time and authors intent the right was granted by the “state” so Heller is going to go. Also historically arm were limited, not everyone could own a cannon or unlimited black powder. Look at what Washington did for punishment in the Whiskey Rebellion.
You think a court that allegedly is going to strike down Roe is going to do anything about Heller lol. Conservatives will own the courts for the rest of my life. Elections have consequences. For whatever reason liberals found the only person more unelectable then Trump in 2020 and then because Trump was an asshole, put the current clown show in charge. The current clown show has figured out how to have a unapproval rating just as bad as Trump had on 1-7-21 lol.
The constitution is clear. Dont like it. Amend it. Thats your only path forwatd.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.
quite the olive branch lol
Just sick of the hypocrisy. Either killing is wrong or it isn't. Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning? And why are we so surprised when they act on it?
Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.
Or that women should have bodily autonomy or be able to exercise their right to choose. There are people in power that do not want women to have ownership over their own bodies. They believe that the woman should not have all rights and protections under the law. And there are more laws being pushed supporting this.
The hypocrisy is that once there is actually a baby, all bets are off, pro-life is not an issue then. You want or need help with housing, education, healthcare or employment screw you. Another elementary school shooting and there is no action. There are states allowing the right to carry without a license or training. We are definitely going backwards.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
Anyone that supports the mass killing of babies can STFU.
quite the olive branch lol
Just sick of the hypocrisy. Either killing is wrong or it isn't. Why are we surprised these kids learned that life has no meaning? And why are we so surprised when they act on it?
Ridiculous. Not everyone agrees that a pregnancy, a fertilized egg, a clump of cells, is a human being deserving of all the rights and protections under the law.
Or that women should have bodily autonomy or be able to exercise their right to choose. There are people in power that do not want women to have ownership over their own bodies. They believe that the woman should not have all rights and protections under the law. And there are more laws being pushed supporting this.
The hypocrisy is that once there is actually a baby, all bets are off, pro-life is not an issue then. You want or need help with housing, education, healthcare or employment screw you. Another elementary school shooting and there is no action. There are states allowing the right to carry without a license or training. We are definitely going backwards.
We’re top 10 in social spending per capita in the world. If its so bad here we wouldn’t have people flocking here every year.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/social-spending-highest-lowest-country-comparison-oecd-france-economics-politics-welfare
There are people flocking here for opportunities and there are people in the United States that are being denied access to opportunities. Both these things are true.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
There are people flocking here for opportunities and there are people in the United States that are being denied access to opportunities. Both these things are true.
Is there no limit to what we should spend on social programs?
Someone, sometime is going to be denied access to something. We spend roughly 20% of our gdp which figures to about $4T annual on social programs. Heck that 4x the military lol.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Vikergirl said:
There are people flocking here for opportunities and there are people in the United States that are being denied access to opportunities. Both these things are true.
Is there no limit to what we should spend on social programs?
Someone, sometime is going to be denied access to something. We spend roughly 20% of our gdp which figures to about $4T annual on social programs. Heck that 4x the military lol.
It's not just about money, it is about access and opportunities. There is systemic racism in education, housing and healthcare. These issues need to be addressed. There are schools that get more money that others. There are people without healthcare. There is discrimination in housing. Rents are rising rapidly right now. All of these are having devastating effects on generations. This will continue to be an issue.
Let's just get back to moments of silence & thoughts and prayers.
We'll wait for the next one - cause there will be a next one. Sure as the sun sets in the West.
We gotta find a way to be able to discuss this across political divides. Its not just better mental health care for more or background chx to keep the wrong people from owning a fire-arm. ITs gotta be both.
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