Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Hilarious. This isn't Hilary's fault. It isn't Biden's fault. It isn't Trump's fault. Or Bush. It's Putin's fault. He's nuts. When did we start blaming others for what a dictator like Putin does? He's been after the Ukraine forever. This was coming regardless.
If our country can't unite behind a common dislike of Putin, we are beyond fucked.
It's worse than not being able to unite against Putin. Many in the cult actually support Putin in this.
Think about that. Support the dictator against the sovereign democracy.
Could you could point me in the direction of a poll or something showing this? I know of no one regardless of politicals that supports the Ukranian invasion.
its amazing that the only time I see shit like Maroon posts is from Maroon and others like him. Half the time I dont even know who the people are that he is using to support his position against what he thinks is the postion of those that think he is full of shit.
everyone needs to shut off the MSM and the sound bite machines and start using their own eyes and minds on this shit. we are where we are because of many people that once again will get a pass in their involvements with shit that kills people and ruins lives all over the world.
No doubt. I've actually done a lot of self reflection with all this happening.
How lucky do we have it to have won the birthplace lottery. We have houses with heat, computers/phones that can answer any question in seconds. Most of us have vehicles that can travel anywhere at anytime. We have money in the bank account.
We don't have missiles cruising over our heads. Bombs going off. Fear for loved ones. Grandparents getting called back up by the government to fight. The list is long and ridiculous.
Its also a time for us to set aside our differences and unite when we see aggression ala Russia today.
This is all I'm asking.....and a little dumbfounded that we can't all agree on that. Instead, we get 'if Trump were in office' or 'the timing is suspicious'. Its like, c'mon now. Good lord.
I added politics to this thread, and probably should have left it out. The world changes so significantly from what might be small decisions at the time. I brought up politics more as an interesting backdrop to what is happening. More of a bad case of the game would you rather that my kids play.
I can squarely say that I'm pro Biden right now and will be while he's our president. I hope and pray that he and his/our allies can figure out the mess the planet is in right now and come to a peaceful resolution.
The world needs peace.
I see and hear a lot of frustration with our leadership in Washington. Really, so called leadership, because they are leading from the rear and not at the front. They flip-flop. Say an invasion is wrong and will result in severe sanctions if invade but will not do anything if it is only a "minor incursion". The administration promises tough sanctions but only after an invasion. Have they followed through with these so tough sanctions yet? Why not prevent the invasion with severe sanctions beforehand to save lives and preserve peace?
There is anger because the President is not talking to us. He does not respond to questions. He has significant explaining to do, including the tough questions he doesn't want to answer. He leader takes on the battle, a coward walks. His portrait in the white house should be of him walking away rather than a frontal view. Hard to support a leader that does not lead and does not communicate with us.
It is also very hard to support a leader that proudly took away our energy independence and has us dependent on foreign oil production. Since we now buy significant amounts of oil from Russia, hands are tied relative to possible sanctions. And now with the invasion, fuel prices will be even higher! Nice job Joe, way to fight inflation by driving up fuel prices and all goods and services involving the use of fuel.
So many areas to be unhappy with this administration, little to be happy with, IMO.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
I see and hear a lot of frustration with our leadership in Washington. Really, so called leadership, because they are leading from the rear and not at the front. They flip-flop. Say an invasion is wrong and will result in severe sanctions if invade but will not do anything if it is only a "minor incursion". The administration promises tough sanctions but only after an invasion. Have they followed through with these so tough sanctions yet? Why not prevent the invasion with severe sanctions beforehand to save lives and preserve peace?
There is anger because the President is not talking to us. He does not respond to questions. He has significant explaining to do, including the tough questions he doesn't want to answer. He leader takes on the battle, a coward walks. His portrait in the white house should be of him walking away rather than a frontal view. Hard to support a leader that does not lead and does not communicate with us.
It is also very hard to support a leader that proudly took away our energy independence and has us dependent on foreign oil production. Since we now buy significant amounts of oil from Russia, hands are tied relative to possible sanctions. And now with the invasion, fuel prices will be even higher! Nice job Joe, way to fight inflation by driving up fuel prices and all goods and services involving the use of fuel.
So many areas to be unhappy with this administration, little to be happy with, IMO.
fuck sanction... sanctions only hurt the citizens of those countries that are stuck with their bull shit leaders. By the time a country being sanctioned has its ability to wage war damaged, the people of that country are starving/suffering and the only narrative they hear is that its the fault of the US and so then we have created a whole new generation of people with hatred of the US in their DNA and are primed for anything that is suggested to them as a way to hurt the US back.
we are really helpless here, the US really has no good angles to play here unless we wanted to go toe to toe militarily and that is not the answer either.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
I see and hear a lot of frustration with our leadership in Washington. Really, so called leadership, because they are leading from the rear and not at the front. They flip-flop. Say an invasion is wrong and will result in severe sanctions if invade but will not do anything if it is only a "minor incursion". The administration promises tough sanctions but only after an invasion. Have they followed through with these so tough sanctions yet? Why not prevent the invasion with severe sanctions beforehand to save lives and preserve peace?
There is anger because the President is not talking to us. He does not respond to questions. He has significant explaining to do, including the tough questions he doesn't want to answer. He leader takes on the battle, a coward walks. His portrait in the white house should be of him walking away rather than a frontal view. Hard to support a leader that does not lead and does not communicate with us.
It is also very hard to support a leader that proudly took away our energy independence and has us dependent on foreign oil production. Since we now buy significant amounts of oil from Russia, hands are tied relative to possible sanctions. And now with the invasion, fuel prices will be even higher! Nice job Joe, way to fight inflation by driving up fuel prices and all goods and services involving the use of fuel.
So many areas to be unhappy with this administration, little to be happy with, IMO.
fuck sanction... sanctions only hurt the citizens of those countries that are stuck with their bull shit leaders. By the time a country being sanctioned has its ability to wage war damaged, the people of that country are starving/suffering and the only narrative they hear is that its the fault of the US and so then we have created a whole new generation of people with hatred of the US in their DNA and are primed for anything that is suggested to them as a way to hurt the US back.
we are really helpless here, the US really has no good angles to play here unless we wanted to go toe to toe militarily and that is not the answer either.
Nonsense. Sanctions hurt the Russia people yes, but they also start destabilization with the oligarchs who might not A) agree with Putin's need for a reunited Soviet Union and B) want Putin out because he is bad for business. With say 100 oligarchs whose lives are being upended by Purtin's hard on for Ukraine, that creates a problem at home. Considering the oligarchs have their own private military in Russia to cause issues with, it could be a mess in Russia and the best outcome for the world.
1) Tough sanctions today
2) SWIFT shutdown once EU gives the blessing (not controlled by the US BTW)
3) Support the Ukrainians in ultimately will be a quagmire for Russia to maintain control. As if we haven't learned from Afghanistan and Iraq. Occupations do not work.
My belief is that Putin has changed, potentially Parkinson's, and is starting to wild out. With the resource available in Ukraine I can see why Russia wants control in a world that needs Russia less and less everyday. But to think that it will be easy to control of the resource and build export, that seems foolish.
His statements regarding nuclear capabilities seems to show his current mindset, weakness and instability. That's not his history, something is not right with Putin
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
I see and hear a lot of frustration with our leadership in Washington. Really, so called leadership, because they are leading from the rear and not at the front. They flip-flop. Say an invasion is wrong and will result in severe sanctions if invade but will not do anything if it is only a "minor incursion". The administration promises tough sanctions but only after an invasion. Have they followed through with these so tough sanctions yet? Why not prevent the invasion with severe sanctions beforehand to save lives and preserve peace?
There is anger because the President is not talking to us. He does not respond to questions. He has significant explaining to do, including the tough questions he doesn't want to answer. He leader takes on the battle, a coward walks. His portrait in the white house should be of him walking away rather than a frontal view. Hard to support a leader that does not lead and does not communicate with us.
It is also very hard to support a leader that proudly took away our energy independence and has us dependent on foreign oil production. Since we now buy significant amounts of oil from Russia, hands are tied relative to possible sanctions. And now with the invasion, fuel prices will be even higher! Nice job Joe, way to fight inflation by driving up fuel prices and all goods and services involving the use of fuel.
So many areas to be unhappy with this administration, little to be happy with, IMO.
fuck sanction... sanctions only hurt the citizens of those countries that are stuck with their bull shit leaders. By the time a country being sanctioned has its ability to wage war damaged, the people of that country are starving/suffering and the only narrative they hear is that its the fault of the US and so then we have created a whole new generation of people with hatred of the US in their DNA and are primed for anything that is suggested to them as a way to hurt the US back.
we are really helpless here, the US really has no good angles to play here unless we wanted to go toe to toe militarily and that is not the answer either.
Nonsense. Sanctions hurt the Russia people yes, but they also start destabilization with the oligarchs who might not A) agree with Putin's need for a reunited Soviet Union and B) want Putin out because he is bad for business. With say 100 oligarchs whose lives are being upended by Purtin's hard on for Ukraine, that creates a problem at home. Considering the oligarchs have their own private military in Russia to cause issues with, it could be a mess in Russia and the best outcome for the world.
1) Tough sanctions today
2) SWIFT shutdown once EU gives the blessing (not controlled by the US BTW)
3) Support the Ukrainians in ultimately will be a quagmire for Russia to maintain control. As if we haven't learned from Afghanistan and Iraq. Occupations do not work.
My belief is that Putin has changed, potentially Parkinson's, and is starting to wild out. With the resource available in Ukraine I can see why Russia wants control in a world that needs Russia less and less everyday. But to think that it will be easy to control of the resource and build export, that seems foolish.
His statements regarding nuclear capabilities seems to show his current mindset, weakness and instability. That's not his history, something is not right with Putin
typically I would agree, but in a global market that we are dealing with, those oligarchs have plenty of ways to move around assets and ride this thing out, much much longer than the people of those countries. I just dont think we have a very solid track record of economic sanctions really doing much to stop a government that we dont approve of. How many years of sanctions have we seen in the middle east against Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.... whats that done for us, vs what has that done to the peoples of those countries?
I agree that Putin has changed, he is definitely acting much more aggressive, but I dont know that its lunacy as much as ego. either way its un-nerving to think that we could end up back in another damn cold war like so many of us grew up under. it wasnt so much that I thought it was going to end up in global destruction, but there was so much more tension in the world it seemed. I think the issue between the US and USSR destabilized the rest of the planet.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Trump on his hero...
“I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.”
lol. So stupid.
Why didn't you finish the quote? Did you actually listen to it? Trump was being sarcastic about the shear size of the invasion force for what Putin was describing as a peacekeeping force.
"That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right.
No, but think of it. Here’s guy who’s very savvy. I know him very well – very, very well. By the way, this never would’ve happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here’s a guy, that says, “You know, I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent.” He used the word independent. “And we’re gonna go out, and we’re gonna in and we’re gonna help keep peace.”
You gotta say this pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad."
How about we quit concentrating on the ex-President and concentrate on President Potatohead instead which is a lot more relevant. Or do you want to go back and talk about Obama's lack of action regarding Crimea which set the table for this military action. Haven't we spent more than enough time talking about Trump and Russia? Here's a newsflash. It was all BS. Three people knew that from the get go...Clinton, Trump..and Putin who watched the 3 year Russia Collusion narrative with pee tapes and endless treason discussions and realized the US left is easily manipulated for political gain.
I'm sure Putin is shaking in his boots right now at the feckless President...between a Carter like foreign policy of projected weakness including removing sanctions on Russia for the Nordstream pipeline, renewed dependence on foreign oil, the Afghan debacle, etc...I'm sure Putin is scared to death of Biden. Doesn't Putin know our military has spent the last year training extensively...on critical race theory, inclusiveness and gender issues? Maybe we need to send someone over there to explain it? Maybe we can send a pregnant aviator to model our new maternity flight suits. Yep...that should dissuade Putin.
Thank God the adults are finally in charge. John Kerry made the strongest point for the Administration today..pointing out the Ukraine conflict is taking attention away from the Climate Change agenda...again...someone needs Putin to hear that....that'll stop him in his tracks.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...ate-change
Seriously, Biden needs a new theme song while out on the trail..
For those of you old enough, let me make a suggestion...
He's just....misunderstood.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
He's just....misunderstood.
Biden or Trump? For the record, I think they're both buffoons. Maybe Biden can send Hunter in to negotiate a peace treaty ala Jerod Kushner. I hear he has experience in the region.
Quote: @badgervike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
He's just....misunderstood.
Biden or Trump? For the record, I think they're both buffoons. Maybe Biden can send Hunter in to negotiate a peace treaty ala Jerod Kushner. I hear he has experience in the region.
Doesnt Joe already have Hunter busy handing out crack pipes to those in need? He cant be bothered to get involved with this as well, it would leave no time for his art pursuits.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ badgervike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
He's just....misunderstood.
Biden or Trump? For the record, I think they're both buffoons. Maybe Biden can send Hunter in to negotiate a peace treaty ala Jerod Kushner. I hear he has experience in the region.
Doesnt Joe already have Hunter busy handing out crack pipes to those in need? He cant be bothered to get involved with this as well, it would leave no time for his art pursuits.
I called put Maroons “many” BS. The crack pipe this is entirely fabricated. They are in fact handing out safer smoking kits that have lip baulm, cleaner, gauze etc.
I’ve yet to find a source that would be trustworthy enough claim pipes are included.
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