I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
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I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
You'd think. But then you hear this and know better:
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@ wiviking said:
I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
You'd think. But then you here this and know better:
I think we are likely in a different time now, if nothing else the money involved is significantly greater and all the leagues are much more competitive now. I am sure that there are still racists and racially motivated individuals in positions of authority in the NFL, just as there are in everything we encounter, but the claim of it being systemic is a false narrative and really needs to cease to be used IMO. ending racism is a great thing, but by over blowing it every time it can be done, IMO its only going to create more resentment and push the needle the other way.
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I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
Oh my. Isn't this a little like claiming your school district does not discriminate because your janitorial and support staff are 80% black... despite the fact that all of your teachers and administrators are white?
The assumption that non-white persons are only qualified for certain, lower-level positions is the very definition of discrimination.
Also, I don't think the problem is that "owners and GMs are driven by racism." It's more that they're driven by stereotype and preconception.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
Oh my. Isn't this a little like claiming your school district does not discriminate because your janitorial and support staff are 80% black... despite the fact that all of your teachers and administrators are white?
The assumption that non-white persons are only qualified for certain, lower-level positions is the very definition of discrimination.
Also, I don't think the problem is that "owners and GMs are driven by racism." It's more that they're driven by stereotype and preconception.
At no point have I implied that. Or is it inferred? You are equating an entry level job with a job that pays upwards of 30 million dollars annually. Who make more money, the coach or the players? Hard to call that lower level.
NFL is all about money. Team owners are going to hire the best coach they feel they can get.This isn't the 80's.
Screaming racism is the soup of the day. You don't have to be able to prove it, because just the accusation has half the people assuming its true. Social media is the courtroom.
Quote: @wiviking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
Oh my. Isn't this a little like claiming your school district does not discriminate because your janitorial and support staff are 80% black... despite the fact that all of your teachers and administrators are white?
The assumption that non-white persons are only qualified for certain, lower-level positions is the very definition of discrimination.
Also, I don't think the problem is that "owners and GMs are driven by racism." It's more that they're driven by stereotype and preconception.
At no point have I implied that. Or is it inferred? You are equating an entry level job with a job that pays upwards of 30 million dollars annually. Who make more money, the coach or the players? Hard to call that lower level.
NFL is all about money. Team owners are going to hire the best coach they feel they can get.This isn't the 80's.
Screaming racism is the soup of the day. You don't have to be able to prove it, because just the accusation has half the people assuming its true. Social media is the courtroom.
Money is irrelevant to this issue. And the NFL shouldn't stop trying to be an equal opportunity employer just because a few Gomers on social media are tired of hearing about it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
Oh my. Isn't this a little like claiming your school district does not discriminate because your janitorial and support staff are 80% black... despite the fact that all of your teachers and administrators are white?
The assumption that non-white persons are only qualified for certain, lower-level positions is the very definition of discrimination.
Also, I don't think the problem is that "owners and GMs are driven by racism." It's more that they're driven by stereotype and preconception.
At no point have I implied that. Or is it inferred? You are equating an entry level job with a job that pays upwards of 30 million dollars annually. Who make more money, the coach or the players? Hard to call that lower level.
NFL is all about money. Team owners are going to hire the best coach they feel they can get.This isn't the 80's.
Screaming racism is the soup of the day. You don't have to be able to prove it, because just the accusation has half the people assuming its true. Social media is the courtroom.
Money is irrelevant to this issue. And the NFL shouldn't stop trying to be an equal opportunity employer just because a few Gomers on social media are tired of hearing about it.
is it really equal opportunity when there are incentives to hire one race over another?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
Oh my. Isn't this a little like claiming your school district does not discriminate because your janitorial and support staff are 80% black... despite the fact that all of your teachers and administrators are white?
The assumption that non-white persons are only qualified for certain, lower-level positions is the very definition of discrimination.
Also, I don't think the problem is that "owners and GMs are driven by racism." It's more that they're driven by stereotype and preconception.
At no point have I implied that. Or is it inferred? You are equating an entry level job with a job that pays upwards of 30 million dollars annually. Who make more money, the coach or the players? Hard to call that lower level.
NFL is all about money. Team owners are going to hire the best coach they feel they can get.This isn't the 80's.
Screaming racism is the soup of the day. You don't have to be able to prove it, because just the accusation has half the people assuming its true. Social media is the courtroom.
Money is irrelevant to this issue. And the NFL shouldn't stop trying to be an equal opportunity employer just because a few Gomers on social media are tired of hearing about it.
is it really equal opportunity when there are incentives to hire one race over another?
If you're starting from a position of inequality, you should try to discourage the kind of personal biases and preconceptions that led you there.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ wiviking said:
I guess I just dont get it. If the team owners and GM's are so driven by racism, why are there so many non-white players that are getting paid 10's of millions of dollars every year? If racism is more important than wins, you would think the teams would be about 80 percent white.
I think pretty much every nfl team is going to hire what they feel is the best candidate to be their head coach. More wins equates to more money, more prestige.
Also, nepotism is not racism. It is a form of favorism, but its not about race. As a side note: I think zimmer making his son the co- DC probably hurt his kids career. Everyone in the league knew that Dre had earned that job.
Oh my. Isn't this a little like claiming your school district does not discriminate because your janitorial and support staff are 80% black... despite the fact that all of your teachers and administrators are white?
The assumption that non-white persons are only qualified for certain, lower-level positions is the very definition of discrimination.
Also, I don't think the problem is that "owners and GMs are driven by racism." It's more that they're driven by stereotype and preconception.
At no point have I implied that. Or is it inferred? You are equating an entry level job with a job that pays upwards of 30 million dollars annually. Who make more money, the coach or the players? Hard to call that lower level.
NFL is all about money. Team owners are going to hire the best coach they feel they can get.This isn't the 80's.
Screaming racism is the soup of the day. You don't have to be able to prove it, because just the accusation has half the people assuming its true. Social media is the courtroom.
Money is irrelevant to this issue. And the NFL shouldn't stop trying to be an equal opportunity employer just because a few Gomers on social media are tired of hearing about it.
is it really equal opportunity when there are incentives to hire one race over another?
If you're starting from a position of inequality, you should try to discourage the kind of personal biases and preconceptions that led you there.
IMO you cant change the way people feel and think through legislation and gimmicks. you can however increase anger by shoving this shit in peoples faces all the time, especially when so many are quick to slap the racist term on anybody that doesnt fall in line with the narrative. I still dont buy that all this race race race shit the last decade or so has improved anything in terms of equality or removing bias. corporations can play woke, because people buy it, but its rarely genuine and if its nothing more than a marketing ploy, what has it really accomplished besides create more anger from those that are tired of hearing about it?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
is it really equal opportunity when there are incentives to hire one race over another?
If you're starting from a position of inequality, you should try to discourage the kind of personal biases and preconceptions that led you there.
IMO you cant change the way people feel and think through legislation and gimmicks. you can however increase anger by shoving this shit in peoples faces all the time, especially when so many are quick to slap the racist term on anybody that doesnt fall in line with the narrative. I still dont buy that all this race race race shit the last decade or so has improved anything in terms of equality or removing bias. corporations can play woke, because people buy it, but its rarely genuine and if its nothing more than a marketing ploy, what has it really accomplished besides create more anger from those that are tired of hearing about it?
Hi Jimmy: Obviously this a hot button topic but I think it is a worthwhile topic. Totally understand your view regarding "woke" companies saying the right thing for marketing purposes while not walking the walk. It sounds like you agree that there still is bias in society and I wonder how you think we should go about removing bias.
I often think prejudice in society like walking half way to the wall. Every step you get closer but you will never reach the actual wall. I think the question is how can you speed up every step at least.
I would love to hear your thoughts on how we as a country should move forward to eliminate racism or, at least move closer to the wall at a faster pace. I look forward to your thoughts.
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