Quote: @A1Janitor said:
I addressed the one issue that was given to me - Kenya. It isn’t a lie if he believed he was born in Kenya.
You now say he has a ton of erroneous statements.
Name the lies. Saying something is a lie has more than just saying something “erroneous”. You need intent.
You are a hopeless individual. You operate in a different reality than the rest of us. The question lots of us struggle with is: do you know you're completely full of shit and are constantly doing mental gymnastics, or are you mentally ill? Of course we've never met, but I doubt it's the latter. I think you're just an angry dude who's now a full on full of shit concerning all things political.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
There it is ... bullshit using the word or.
If you said the Vikings won the super bowl, you would most certainly be wrong. You may be lying ... if you knew they didn’t and you intentionally misrepresented the truth.
Lying and wrong are two different standards.
You are making my point. So we are at the point where being wrong consistently is OK. What happened to expecting our leaders to be correct more often than not? Trump does not even try to be correct.
Back to my example of the vikings... I would be wrong but what if i keep saying they won the superbowl despite being corrected numerous times?
I'll leave you with this video...
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/neil-cavu...president/
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
I addressed the one issue that was given to me - Kenya. It isn’t a lie if he believed he was born in Kenya.
You now say he has a ton of erroneous statements.
Name the lies. Saying something is a lie has more than just saying something “erroneous”. You need intent.
You're such a trainwreck.
Now you're quoting the George Castanza defense from Seinfeld??? "It's not a lie if you believe it?"
LMAO
Here's one you can't weasel out of:
"My father was born in Germany."
Trump said it on several occasions, repeated it at his rallies at different times and locations. Verified, on video, multiple times so it's not a slip of the tongue.
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics...utType=amp
Trump wrongly claims his dad was born in Germany — for the third time
Now do you want to tell me Trump doesn't even know where his Daddy was born? Do you still think the stable genius, greatest President ever, didn't actually lie .... because he is just too fucking stupid to know what country his Dad was born in??
I'll help you out with reality:
Trump knows Goddamn well where his Dad was born, therefore he L_ED
Can you solve the puzzle A1? Would you like to buy a vowel?
LMAO
Now ... are you going to keep riding this crazy train defending Trump with the George Castanza defense, or can you finally admit Trump lied?
Quote: @mblack said:
@ A1Janitor said:
There it is ... bullshit using the word or.
If you said the Vikings won the super bowl, you would most certainly be wrong. You may be lying ... if you knew they didn’t and you intentionally misrepresented the truth.
Lying and wrong are two different standards.
You are making my point. So we are at the point where being wrong consistently is OK. What happened to expecting our leaders to be correct more often than not? Trump does not even try to be correct.
Back to my example of the vikings... I would be wrong but what if i keep saying they won the superbowl despite being corrected numerous times?
I'll leave you with this video...
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/neil-cavu...president/
So now i somehow said being wrong consistently is ok? This is the second time you didn’t get it right.
You like to play loosely with rules. I will bow out. Either you are disingenuous or stupid.
Or both - libby.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ A1Janitor said:
I addressed the one issue that was given to me - Kenya. It isn’t a lie if he believed he was born in Kenya.
You now say he has a ton of erroneous statements.
Name the lies. Saying something is a lie has more than just saying something “erroneous”. You need intent.
You're such a trainwreck.
Now you're quoting the George Castanza defense from Seinfeld??? "It's not a lie if you believe it?"
LMAO
Here's one you can't weasel out of:
"My father was born in Germany."
Trump said it on several occasions, repeated it at his rallies at different times and locations. Verified, on video, multiple times so it's not a slip of the tongue.
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics...utType=amp
Trump wrongly claims his dad was born in Germany — for the third time
Now do you want to tell me Trump doesn't even know where his Daddy was born? Do you still think the stable genius, greatest President ever, didn't actually lie .... because he is just too fucking stupid to know what country his Dad was born in??
I'll help you out with reality:
Trump knows Goddamn well where his Dad was born, therefore he L_ED
Can you solve the puzzle A1? Would you like to buy a vowel?
LMAO
Now ... are you going to keep riding this crazy train defending Trump with the George Castanza defense, or can you finally admit Trump lied?
Clean up your act with the name calling.
Greedrino is lurking.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
@ mblack said:
@ A1Janitor said:
There it is ... bullshit using the word or.
If you said the Vikings won the super bowl, you would most certainly be wrong. You may be lying ... if you knew they didn’t and you intentionally misrepresented the truth.
Lying and wrong are two different standards.
You are making my point. So we are at the point where being wrong consistently is OK. What happened to expecting our leaders to be correct more often than not? Trump does not even try to be correct.
Back to my example of the vikings... I would be wrong but what if i keep saying they won the superbowl despite being corrected numerous times?
I'll leave you with this video...
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/neil-cavu...president/
So now i somehow said being wrong consistently is ok? This is the second time you didn’t get it right.
You like to play loosely with rules. I will bow out. Either you are disingenuous or stupid.
Or both - libby.
Trump gave away classified intel. This is literally the second time he's done it.
"No way. There's no way this happened. He can't possibly be this stupid."
This time he did it over Twitter.
A1Janitor: you're supporting a truly stupid, embarrassing person. Remember that.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
@ mblack said:
@ A1Janitor said:
There it is ... bullshit using the word or.
If you said the Vikings won the super bowl, you would most certainly be wrong. You may be lying ... if you knew they didn’t and you intentionally misrepresented the truth.
Lying and wrong are two different standards.
You are making my point. So we are at the point where being wrong consistently is OK. What happened to expecting our leaders to be correct more often than not? Trump does not even try to be correct.
Back to my example of the vikings... I would be wrong but what if i keep saying they won the superbowl despite being corrected numerous times?
I'll leave you with this video...
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/neil-cavu...president/
So now i somehow said being wrong consistently is ok? This is the second time you didn’t get it right.
You like to play loosely with rules. I will bow out. Either you are disingenuous or stupid.
Or both - libby.
Being wrong consistently despite being corrected means he is doing it intentionally. That should qualify as intent. And if there is intent it means it's a lie (going by your definition). So which is it?
Lastly,
I see you take pride in insulting or calling others names. I have given you utmost respect. I am trying to have a healthy discussion so if that's too much to ask then I guess I am done with this conversation.
Since all that matters in today's world is coming across as "winning" even if you actually are not, I guess you "win". Trump has never lied.
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You really like to twist stuff.
I never said Trump never lies.
I said it isn’t a lie if he believed it. If you think Trump knew he was born in the US, and lied about it, you don’t understand what a lie is. You need to know it isn’t true. Regardless of how many times he said it.
If he was born in Kenya, he didn’t lie. And he was right.
If he was born in USA, he was wrong.
If he was born in USA and he knew that, he was lying.
I really don’t know which one of the three it was. And I don’t know how anyone can prove it was a lie.
Name calling? I don’t appreciate your changing words repeatedly to make me look “wrong”.
I am sure Trump has lied. I am equally sure Obama lied, Bill Clinton lied, Comey lied, the media lied, Hillary lied, eyc.
I am sorry that there are many here that don’t know the truth about the russian hoax. I partially blame the MSM. They were very quiet about choirboy James Comey’s recent report.
I also blame stupid liberals who think the ends justify the means.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
You really like to twist stuff.
I never said Trump never lies.
I said it isn’t a lie if he believed it. If you think Trump knew he was born in the US, and lied about it, you don’t understand what a lie is. You need to know it isn’t true. Regardless of how many times he said it.
If he was born in Kenya, he didn’t lie. And he was right.
If he was born in USA, he was wrong.
If he was born in USA and he knew that, he was lying.
I really don’t know which one of the three it was. And I don’t know how anyone can prove it was a lie.
Name calling? I don’t appreciate your changing words repeatedly to make me look “wrong”.
All your examples above would have been ok the first time he uttered those words. He has been corrected a lot about every one of those things. So if he chose not to listen, take correction or still hang on to what he "believes" it means there is a reason for that (intent). And given we all know he is wrong on every one of the examples listed above then he is lying (again by your definition)
The born in the USA example. The standard for checking someone's birth place is a birth cert and in some cases verifying hospital records and supporting events. Obama passed all those tests. So why is this even still an issue?
I even provided examples where he contradicted himself on stuff he said. Yet he is not lying and you want to see proof of intent.
Last week we were told he skipped the climate session at the G7 cos he was meeting with the leaders of Germany and Iran. Well, both leaders were present at the entire climate session. Everyone was there but Trump. So I guess we need to wait for intent to know that was a lie.
At some point, it becomes clear that this is a pointless discourse. It's getting really close.
I am not twisting anything, I may be verbose but its cos I am trying to be clear so others can follow.
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