Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Poiple said:
The Vikes have had some terrible luck with the health of O lineman. It really surprising to me that the O line is a well known weakness for several years and Rick hasnt done a great job of addressing it.
He is usually very methodical about fixing shortcomings. I thought i had a read on him and his mad methods. But this O line situation is surprising. There will be more cuts coming up. I am aure he will be scouring the wires looking for an opportunity. Maybe a trade?
Sandejo for a starting RT?
Agreed. He got caught napping in this year's Draft for offensive lineman. I'm still in shock they'll be starting the same 5 as last year. If they can stay healthy, I really think they'll be fine. Nothing more than fine, however. But if Reiff goes down early, for instance? Bad news. But that applies to any team's starting LT, to be fair. As you mention, the team's luck with health for the O-line is shitty.
Hill was only a starter because of injury. Essentially he is a new starter.
As far as fixing the OL, what was he suposed to do this year? I don't recall any cheap OT talent out there and the draft didn't fall as expected so he didn't the best he could.
He added 2 starters via FA and one from the draft last year so this notion that Rick has largely ignored the OL is suspect at best. ..especially considering how nearly every team in the league is short on OL.
Plus O'Neill was only the 3rd Tackle taken in the draft and didn't warrant our 30th pick over Hughes who is looking very good early.
McGlichey went (9) and then Kolten Miller went (15) and we didn't have the ammo to move up nor would I want to. The position was not ignored. We planned on Remmers taking over for Berger and didn't want to go Guard over Tackle, so I am not sure the draft didn't go the way we wanted.
Last year we drafted Elflein in the 3rd and signed 2 FA's. This year we draft O'Niell in the 3rd and brought in a couple vets at Guard to compete/backup. The OL has not been ignored. But we certainly had our share of injuries especially 3 years ago we were decimated along the line. Again not ignored but not good fortune.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Poiple said:
The Vikes have had some terrible luck with the health of O lineman. It really surprising to me that the O line is a well known weakness for several years and Rick hasnt done a great job of addressing it.
He is usually very methodical about fixing shortcomings. I thought i had a read on him and his mad methods. But this O line situation is surprising. There will be more cuts coming up. I am aure he will be scouring the wires looking for an opportunity. Maybe a trade?
Sandejo for a starting RT?
Agreed. He got caught napping in this year's Draft for offensive lineman. I'm still in shock they'll be starting the same 5 as last year. If they can stay healthy, I really think they'll be fine. Nothing more than fine, however. But if Reiff goes down early, for instance? Bad news. But that applies to any team's starting LT, to be fair. As you mention, the team's luck with health for the O-line is shitty.
Hill was only a starter because of injury. Essentially he is a new starter.
As far as fixing the OL, what was he suposed to do this year? I don't recall any cheap OT talent out there and the draft didn't fall as expected so he didn't the best he could.
He added 2 starters via FA and one from the draft last year so this notion that Rick has largely ignored the OL is suspect at best. ..especially considering how nearly every team in the league is short on OL.
Plus O'Neill was only the 3rd Tackle taken in the draft and didn't warrant our 30th pick over Hughes who is looking very good early.
McGlichey went (9) and then Kolten Miller went (15) and we didn't have the ammo to move up nor would I want to. The position was not ignored. We planned on Remmers taking over for Berger and didn't want to go Guard over Tackle, so I am not sure the draft didn't go the way we wanted.
Last year we drafted Elflein in the 3rd and signed 2 FA's. This year we draft O'Niell in the 3rd and brought in a couple vets at Guard to compete/backup. The OL has not been ignored. But we certainly had our share of injuries especially 3 years ago we were decimated along the line. Again not ignored but not good fortune.
I am afraid to even comment on our line when it comes to health... before last year I said that we couldnt see devastating OL injuries 2 years in a row and then down the stretch we saw just that losing C1, LG1/C2, and LG2 all within a few weeks. it just created to much of a mess down the stretch to really have that unit cohesion that I would like to see from our front 5 in a playoff situation. I think it was that inconsistency that lead to some of the breakdowns and some questionable plays in the playoffs. Give them a whole offseason and a little luck and they will do just fine.
Quote: @Poiple said:
@ minny65 said:
@ Poiple said:
i have said repeatedly that i hope he does do well. Ive been a fan longer than most of you. I think it is over all a very strange situation and as the artcles point out. it is a gamble
that is all
OK I guess one man's use of the word strange is different then others.
Again, we think he is a potential franchise QB and paid him as such = not strange but the actual market, supply and demand.
Minny, I dont know how anyone cant see it as strange. The Vikes have three vets on staff and dont offer any of them a new contract. That by itself is strange but this isnt a bunch of losers. Its first round draft picks and a guy who just went 13-3 and took them to a NFCC.
Then they give a record breaking contract, GUARENTEED to a QB from another team who has some pretty big questions about him as the article points out.
Most NFL fans I’ve spoken to agree its a a strange situation but here at Purple Thoughts West its a matter of proof that you must be a rabble rouser and hoping the team fails.
WTF is wrong with you guys?
Jimmy already took most of my points... but there's still this: we all know that- even half-way through the season, Zimmer was not sold on Case. We, as fans, chalk up the 13 wins to Case. Most coaches don't look solely at the final result- but also what it took to get there. Considering that- even as the team kept winning- Zimmer wasn't sold on Case, I'm guessing that he saw some things (on film / in practice) that most (all?) fans didn't. It can be debated whether or not Washington really wanted to keep Cousins or not (they would've had to pay him alot more than he's getting now ($34.5 million) if they wanted to tag him again. What is less debate-able is whether the Vikings really believed in Case. It does not *appear* that they did (regardless of how the fans felt).
Considering Jimmy's points (that one was hurt... one was likely to get hurt again... and one just wasn't what the team wanted), it doesn't seem strange to me that the team would go after a bona fide "franchise QB". Whether or not he'll win us a Super Bowl is clearly an unknown... but his stats say that he is a franchise QB.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Poiple said:
The Vikes have had some terrible luck with the health of O lineman. It really surprising to me that the O line is a well known weakness for several years and Rick hasnt done a great job of addressing it.
He is usually very methodical about fixing shortcomings. I thought i had a read on him and his mad methods. But this O line situation is surprising. There will be more cuts coming up. I am aure he will be scouring the wires looking for an opportunity. Maybe a trade?
Sandejo for a starting RT?
Agreed. He got caught napping in this year's Draft for offensive lineman. I'm still in shock they'll be starting the same 5 as last year. If they can stay healthy, I really think they'll be fine. Nothing more than fine, however. But if Reiff goes down early, for instance? Bad news. But that applies to any team's starting LT, to be fair. As you mention, the team's luck with health for the O-line is shitty.
Hill was only a starter because of injury. Essentially he is a new starter.
As far as fixing the OL, what was he suposed to do this year? I don't recall any cheap OT talent out there and the draft didn't fall as expected so he didn't the best he could.
He added 2 starters via FA and one from the draft last year so this notion that Rick has largely ignored the OL is suspect at best. ..especially considering how nearly every team in the league is short on OL.
Plus O'Neill was only the 3rd Tackle taken in the draft and didn't warrant our 30th pick over Hughes who is looking very good early.
McGlichey went (9) and then Kolten Miller went (15) and we didn't have the ammo to move up nor would I want to. The position was not ignored. We planned on Remmers taking over for Berger and didn't want to go Guard over Tackle, so I am not sure the draft didn't go the way we wanted.
Last year we drafted Elflein in the 3rd and signed 2 FA's. This year we draft O'Niell in the 3rd and brought in a couple vets at Guard to compete/backup. The OL has not been ignored. But we certainly had our share of injuries especially 3 years ago we were decimated along the line. Again not ignored but not good fortune.
We knew Remmers was moving to guard, and so passing on that glut of guards at the top of the 2nd round is much easier to stomach with that knowledge. And Mike Hughes is a helluva player. Overall, our draft was very good.
But if I'm honest...there were five tackles taken in the 3rd round, and I would've taken all five before I took O'Neal. Yeah, so not a fan of this kid. Worst pick since DeMarcus Love IMO.
I don't really think you can compare the Vikings team to the teams that he has played on though. His defenses have not been good. I feel that is very important when it comes to a QB being able to finish and have full confidence.
Here are the last 3 years of his putrid defense -
PTS YDS PASS RUSH
2017- 27th 21st 9th 32nd
2016 - 18th 18th 12th 28th
2015 - 18th 18th 12th 28th
I see nothing that gives credit or blame to the play calling by the Offensive Coordinator. Last I checked, the QB does not call ALL the plays, particularly in the RedZone. Relax. He had a supporting cast in DC that was quite possibly not the best in the league. Quite possibly.
Quote: @Montana Tom said:
I see nothing that gives credit or blame to the play calling by the Offensive Coordinator. Last I checked, the QB does not call ALL the plays, particularly in the RedZone. Relax. He had a supporting cast in DC that was quite possibly not the best in the league. Quite possibly.
I have considered this quite a lot. I also consider it a very large factor on things like passing yardage. The Vikes are a conservative control the clock kind of team, or at least have been. I wonder what the new offense will look like. I wonder how much of that was Zimmer. I wouldnt expect Cousins to throw for 4k. He might but I dont expect it.
But who really cares, just win baby.
Quote: @Canthony said:
I don't really think you can compare the Vikings team to the teams that he has played on though. His defenses have not been good. I feel that is very important when it comes to a QB being able to finish and have full confidence.
Here are the last 3 years of his putrid defense -
PTS YDS PASS RUSH
2017- 27th 21st 9th 32nd
2016 - 18th 18th 12th 28th
2015 - 18th 18th 12th 28th
Wow, 28th, 28th, and 32nd. Hard for a QB to finish a game when his D is letting the other team pound the rock and kill the clock.
If Case Keenum can play like he did last year in Minnesota, Cousins can certainly take the next step also. What did Keenum do before last year? Cousins has a body of work at least.
I think the odds are much higher that Case takes a step back and Kirk a step forward this year.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
If Case Keenum can play like he did last year in Minnesota, Cousins can certainly take the next step also. What did Keenum do before last year? Cousins has a body of work at least.
I think the odds are much higher that Case takes a step back and Kirk a step forward this year.
Idk Stickman. I seldom disagree with you but here...
I look at the reasons Case did well. His O line was not good yet he was able to move around in the pocket better much better than most, kept his eyes diwnfield, sensed pressure and somehow knew when to bolt. Then he usually threw accurately on the run. The guy had a similar cast as Bradford the previous season, yet he did much better (8-8 vs 13-3). Being an accurate pocket passer behind a medicore line maybe isnt a good match.
I really think Case’s skillset is much different than Bradfords, and maybe Cousins’.
I am pretty certain that letting Case go meant upgrading the Oline substantially was a neccessity this year. I honestly havent seen enough of Cousins’ work to speak to his ability to avoid the pass rush and throw accurately on the run. Hopefully he excells at it.
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